The terrorirst attack and island slaughter in Norway

[General_Tao]

It's more like some idiots in Europe are buying into this crazy brand of hatred that's more popular in your corner of the world scotty.

[Phatscotty]

Then again, American cartoonists aren't being killed and there aren't riots in the streets here like there was in France, and religious symbols aren't being banned. Wait a sec, isn't there a jihad on the South Park creators? Anyhow, Europe is dealing with a lot more shit than we are.

Is there gonna be a brawl over there?

[Gillipig]

One of the killer's blogs will give you a good insight on his motives and psyche, fanatical anti-muslim/immigrant. He posted under "fjordman". I wonder if it's going to be shut down soon:

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/

Immigrants wasn't his target even if he hated them. This was not a massacre of immigrants but of young social democrats! I think the target was the Prime Minister but it could be that he thought he did gods work as well. He's being described as a christian fundamentalist so it's hard to know yet.
btw you're one of the clearest cases of a multi I've ever seen !

[General_Tao]

there aren't riots in the streets here like there was in France,

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MG3vjCevySw/SolkMAZMYTI/AAAAAAAAAJY/rTnsnByYuo8/s1600-h/flonom.jpg

[PLAYER57832]

Will be interesting to see what motive the gunman had! If anyone has an update on the situation post it here and I will put it in the original post!

His motives were hatred. He blames "infiltration" of Norwegian society with "foreigners" for many problems in the country.

[PLAYER57832]

Immigrants wasn't his target even if he hated them. This was not a massacre of immigrants but of young social democrats! I think the target was the Prime Minister but it could be that he thought he did gods work as well. He's being described as a christian fundamentalist so it's hard to know yet.
btw you're one of the clearest cases of a multi I've ever seen !

he targeted the Prime minister because his goal was to make a statement about political moves he disliked.

Racism, hatred were absolutely his motivation.. now stop being an idiot and either read what happened or keep quiet.

[General_Tao]

btw you're one of the clearest cases of a multi I've ever seen !

uhm, what's a "multi"?

[Gillipig]

Immigrants wasn't his target even if he hated them. This was not a massacre of immigrants but of young social democrats! I think the target was the Prime Minister but it could be that he thought he did gods work as well. He's being described as a christian fundamentalist so it's hard to know yet.
btw you're one of the clearest cases of a multi I've ever seen !

he targeted the Prime minister because his goal was to make a statement about political moves he disliked.

Racism, hatred were absolutely his motivation.. now stop being an idiot and either read what happened or keep quiet.

Give me a source with him stating his intentions or keep quiet yourself! Double posting is a clear sign of trying to compensate for something and so is name calling so I'm guessing you don't have one. I'm just interested in hearing what reason he states for doing this and until there's been an interview with him we can only speculate as for what reasons he had.

[KingOfGods]

More information about the man responsible for the attacks from a 1500 page "book" that he had sent to his facebook friends. I will spoiler some of the quotes from the "book" so that you can choose whether to read them as they are very chilling and very frightening.

Such a sad day in Norway for the victims and their families, my condolences go out to them.




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[Gillipig]

More information about the man responsible for the attacks from a 1500 page "book" that he had sent to his facebook friends. I will spoiler some of the quotes from the "book" so that you can choose whether to read them as they are very chilling and very frightening.

Such a sad day in Norway for the victims and their families, my condolences go out to them.




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Wow that was detailed. looks like I haven't kept up with the news!! Can you give me a link to where you found the material you quoted? I'd like to read everything about this not just a few quotes! From the quotes it seems he thought he was fighting a holy war against Islam and was doing gods wishes! A christian fundamentalist fighting a holy war against Islam! Why does it always keep coming back to religion???

[Night Strike]

Wow that was detailed. looks like I haven't kept up with the news!! Can you give me a link to where you found the material you quoted? I'd like to read everything about this not just a few quotes! From the quotes it seems he thought he was fighting a holy war against Islam and was doing gods wishes! A christian fundamentalist fighting a holy war against Islam! Why does it always keep coming back to religion???

Saturday June 11 - Day 41

I prayed for the first time in a very long time today.

[Gillipig]

Thanks KingOfGods for bringing us the info! Now we know what his intentions where and that he's been planning this for 9 years!!!
This was indeed a terrorist attack but not by a Islamist fundamentalist but by a Christian fundamentalist!!
The link from where you can download the book is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?1khq2dp93obby2v ! It's 1500 pages!!!!

[saxitoxin]

This is Wikipedia so I don't know how accurate it is, and it's probably good to wait a week or two before starting a gun control debate, however:

Gun ownership is a non-controversial subject in Norwegian politics. This is because most illegally used guns are stolen from larger, often military, storage facilities. Break-ins in private homes seldom lead to the theft of weapons. Thus, private ownership is not under scrutiny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

I find it shocking that any theft of firearms at all is occurring from weapons depots of a major, industrial nation. Scandinavia generally, I recall, has a problem with school shootings, with the recent attacks in Finland and other places on top of this. Were those weapons military-obtained?

Frankly, that's the problem with these amateur armies filled with 9-month, Monday-through-Friday conscripts. There's an ensuing lack of accountability and proper quartermastering.

There has been a growing culture of hate throughout Europe driven by völkisch ideology. The link I posted earlier to the grown of Nazism in Germany is just one example. The English Defence League counts some 5,000+ members, Folk Metal concerts in Scandinavia are "no go zones" for those not of Aryan appearance, ongoing anti-Muslim riots in France, etc. There was an earlier thread about how the ECHR is hearing a suit to order European nations to desegregate their schools (in many countries Roma are prohibited from white schools). In 2011 - to desegregate their schools!

[neanderpaul14]

f*ck if he was anti-islam why didn't he do this in an islamic community?

[Phatscotty]

Immigrants wasn't his target even if he hated them. This was not a massacre of immigrants but of young social democrats! I think the target was the Prime Minister but it could be that he thought he did gods work as well. He's being described as a christian fundamentalist so it's hard to know yet.
btw you're one of the clearest cases of a multi I've ever seen !

he targeted the Prime minister because his goal was to make a statement about political moves he disliked.

Racism, hatred were absolutely his motivation.. now stop being an idiot and either read what happened or keep quiet.

I wonder Player, if that were true, how come he didn't target the races that he hated? Why did he target his own race if he is such a racist? Do you ever think about these kinds of things?

[PLAYER57832]

Immigrants wasn't his target even if he hated them. This was not a massacre of immigrants but of young social democrats! I think the target was the Prime Minister but it could be that he thought he did gods work as well. He's being described as a christian fundamentalist so it's hard to know yet.
btw you're one of the clearest cases of a multi I've ever seen !

he targeted the Prime minister because his goal was to make a statement about political moves he disliked.

Racism, hatred were absolutely his motivation.. now stop being an idiot and either read what happened or keep quiet.

Give me a source with him stating his intentions or keep quiet yourself! Double posting is a clear sign of trying to compensate for something and so is name calling so I'm guessing you don't have one. I'm just interested in hearing what reason he states for doing this and until there's been an interview with him we can only speculate as for what reasons he had.

I did. or, since you seem intent on proving yourself right.. you could google it yourself.

[saxitoxin]

Thanks KingOfGods for bringing us the info! Now we know what his intentions where and that he's been planning this for 9 years!!!
This was indeed a terrorist attack but not by a Islamist fundamentalist but by a Christian fundamentalist!!
The link from where you can download the book is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?1khq2dp93obby2v ! It's 1500 pages!!!!

Thanks Gillpig - I just quickly scanned his book, it seems to be well-written, if one excuses the problems with his English.

He spends some time extolling National Anarchism - the philosophy of Troy Southgate's group in the UK - and chronicles a list of the political parties of the EURONAT alliance. This leaves me to wonder if European integration itself is not responsible for fueling the hate that has become so popular on the continent? This fellow was a lone gunman but there are many well-organized groups throughout Europe who are capable of doing this x10 and are only waiting for the chaos following an economic collapse to spring into action.

[Phatscotty]

Christian Fundamentalist? That doesn't fit. I can buy a clinic bombing and understand why, but these attacks are not from a Christian fundamentalist. He did not yell "god is great" or even seem to mention anything about religion from any of the Witness interviews I have seen. He may have been a hardcore believer, but I don't see a link between that and the attacks.

[Gillipig]

This is Wikipedia so I don't know how accurate it is, and it's probably good to wait a week or two before starting a gun control debate, however:

Gun ownership is a non-controversial subject in Norwegian politics. This is because most illegally used guns are stolen from larger, often military, storage facilities. Break-ins in private homes seldom lead to the theft of weapons. Thus, private ownership is not under scrutiny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

I find it shocking that any theft of firearms at all is occurring from weapons depots of a major, industrial nation. Scandinavia generally, I recall, has a problem with school shootings, with the recent attacks in Finland and other places on top of this. Were those weapons military-obtained?

Frankly, that's the problem with these amateur armies filled with 9-month, Monday-through-Friday conscripts. There's an ensuing lack of accountability and proper quartermastering.

There has been a growing culture of hate throughout Europe driven by völkisch ideology. The link I posted earlier to the grown of Nazism in Germany is just one example. The English Defence League counts some 5,000+ members, Folk Metal concerts in Scandinavia are "no go zones" for those not of Aryan appearance, ongoing anti-Muslim riots in France, etc. There was an earlier thread about how the ECHR is hearing a suit to order European nations to desegregate their schools (in many countries Roma are prohibited from white schools). In 2011 - to desegregate their schools!

Yeah Europe has become a lot less safe of a place during the last decade! I don't think the financial crises has helped either. And when Italy and Spain goes the same path as Greece has done it's not going to get better!

Thanks KingOfGods for bringing us the info! Now we know what his intentions where and that he's been planning this for 9 years!!!
This was indeed a terrorist attack but not by a Islamist fundamentalist but by a Christian fundamentalist!!
The link from where you can download the book is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?1khq2dp93obby2v ! It's 1500 pages!!!!

Thanks Gillpig - I just quickly scanned his book, it seems to be well-written, if one excuses the problems with his English.

He spends some time extolling National Anarchism - the philosophy of Troy Southgate's group in the UK - and chronicles a list of the political parties of the EURONAT alliance. This leaves me to wonder if European integration itself is not responsible for fueling the hate that has become so popular on the continent? This fellow was a lone gunman but there are many well-organized groups throughout Europe who are capable of doing this x10 and are only waiting for the chaos following an economic collapse to spring into action.

I'm reading it right now! Don't think I'll finish it because a lot is just "how to be a terrorist" and I'm not interested in that. But some of it clarifies his views and motives. I think it's fair to say he's a very complicated person but mainly what we in Europe would call a far right wing'er. Far right means something else in the U.S. if I'm not mistaken.

Christian Fundamentalist? That doesn't fit. I can buy a clinic bombing and understand why, but these attacks are not from a Christian fundamentalist. He did not yell "god is great" or even seem to mention anything about religion from any of the Witness interviews I have seen. He may have been a hardcore believer, but I don't see a link between that and the attacks.

he prayed for god to help him succeed! It's in one of the quotes. But I don't think belief in god was the primary reason to why he did what he did.

[PLAYER57832]

Here is your source. Translated via Googletranslate.. I could not be bothered to do it myself.

Granted, I do have an advantage in being able to read direct sources.. but for you to go off on such an extreme and anatagonistic bent without even verifying shows you are not interested in truth.

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In the manifesto of no fewer than 1,500 pages he does include an account of his political positions, and in addition he describes in detail how an attack will be implemented. From instructions on how to use a car bomb to what kind of equipment you need in an attack.

In the 12 minute long video that was posted on internet service YouTube, describes Anders Breivik Behring himself as a Templar.

It confirms to police sources on TV2 Norway.

Published by Breivik yourself?
The video "Knights Templar 2083" is undergoing a long series of still images of the plagues which Brievik believe that Marxism and Islamism has caused the world, and he calls for year-long struggle against these attitudes.

Towards the end of the video would Toner Breivik up in wetsuit and automatic weapons. The pictures in the video also appeared on Breivik now closed Facebook page.

Apparently the video was one located on YouTube Friday 22 July of signature "Andrew Berwick." Also manifest is signed by "Andrew Berwick", but the author said in the document, the name is an English version of Anders Breivik.

Sent to the nationalist party
The manifesto was one hour before the attack sent to Terhi Kiemunki in the Finnish party Sannfinländarna, a right-nationalist party in Finland.

"I do not know why I got the message. It's shocking," says Kiemunki to the Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang

[PLAYER57832]

[ I think it's fair to say he's a very complicated person but mainly what we in Europe would call a far right wing'er. Far right means something else in the U.S. if I'm not mistaken.

its fair to say you started with YOUR own BIASES ... and have continued to insist they 'are correct" or even "might be correct".. and have called several of us basically prejudiced or stupid for insisting you were wrong.

You should have bothered to check the FIRST time you were called out.

[Gillipig]

Here is your source. Translated via Googletranslate.. I could not be bothered to do it myself.

Granted, I do have an advantage in being able to read direct sources.. but for you to go off on such an extreme and anatagonistic bent without even verifying shows you are not interested in truth.

Europol now focuses on Nordic terror
Caregivers find their loved ones on Facebook
Pope prays for the Norwegian terror victims
See all>>
In the manifesto of no fewer than 1,500 pages he does include an account of his political positions, and in addition he describes in detail how an attack will be implemented. From instructions on how to use a car bomb to what kind of equipment you need in an attack.

In the 12 minute long video that was posted on internet service YouTube, describes Anders Breivik Behring himself as a Templar.

It confirms to police sources on TV2 Norway.

Published by Breivik yourself?
The video "Knights Templar 2083" is undergoing a long series of still images of the plagues which Brievik believe that Marxism and Islamism has caused the world, and he calls for year-long struggle against these attitudes.

Towards the end of the video would Toner Breivik up in wetsuit and automatic weapons. The pictures in the video also appeared on Breivik now closed Facebook page.

Apparently the video was one located on YouTube Friday 22 July of signature "Andrew Berwick." Also manifest is signed by "Andrew Berwick", but the author said in the document, the name is an English version of Anders Breivik.

Sent to the nationalist party
The manifesto was one hour before the attack sent to Terhi Kiemunki in the Finnish party Sannfinländarna, a right-nationalist party in Finland.

"I do not know why I got the message. It's shocking," says Kiemunki to the Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang

Well we recently posted a link to the book itself so this feels a little small minded. Download the book if you want to know more about his motive.

[saxitoxin]

Christian Fundamentalist? That doesn't fit. I can buy a clinic bombing and understand why, but these attacks are not from a Christian fundamentalist. He did not yell "god is great" or even seem to mention anything about religion from any of the Witness interviews I have seen. He may have been a hardcore believer, but I don't see a link between that and the attacks.

According to his book he was motivated by what he described as "aboriginal rights", that is, "Europe for Europeans." I think the Christian Fundamentalist part may have been misinterpreted from the fact he identified as Christian on his Facebook page (though he also said he like Plato and the movie 300 - Saxi likes those, too! ).

I found it interesting that he immediately surrendered to police without any protest, but in his book he also says the police should not be treated as an enemy. IIRC, the Freikorps had the same ideology, they would push to the brink, but if police arrived and order disbursement, then they would oblige.

I'm reading it right now! Don't think I'll finish it because a lot is just "how to be a terrorist" and I'm not interested in that. But some of it clarifies his views and motives. I think it's fair to say he's a very complicated person but mainly what we in Europe would call a far right wing'er. Far right means something else in the U.S. if I'm not mistaken.

I think you're correct.

The shooter also outlines what he perceives as a difference between the right and left in the US vs. Europe on page 661. He says the mainstream right in the U.S. is a primarily libertarian and multicultural philosophy, with a fringe nationalist and race-centered minority, while the mainstream right in Europe is a primarily nationalist and race-centered philosophy with a fringe libertarian and multicultural minority.

He says the the U.S. right is, therefore, incompatible, with the European right, a fact he says Europeans have not been able to understand. (Honestly, this mirrors what, I too, have observed.) As a result, right-wing Europeans cannot find ideological ground with right-wing Americans.

[Gillipig]

Here's some of his comments made on websites: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/07 ... e-comments
I still have a hard time getting my head around that this has really happened. And so close to home. Oslo is only a couple of hours with car away from where I live. I'm just glad no one I know was there!
Reading the book makes you realize how far from spontaneous and accidental this was. Everything is so disturbingly well planned!

[PLAYER57832]

Well we recently posted a link to the book itself so this feels a little small minded. Download the book if you want to know more about his motive.

I read it before making my first statement, telling you you were wrong, well before you called me various names.

Truth is, you owe me an apology, not insults. but of course.. that would take real character.

OOPS. I take it back. You live in Sweden. You could have read the same things I did before..