Game of Thrones Night 3: The King's Hand, Justice and Guard

[strike wolf]

Well we have roughly 2 days till deadline. I was hoping we would have something better to go off of but unfortunately the day kind of got over taken by the safari debate. Either way, I do agree with the case on chapcrap and we need to pressure at least one person if we want something to go off of for tomorrow. unquote vote Chapcrap

[edocsil]

unquote vote Chapcrap

Info from the night is more likely to damn the scum then the town, there are more townies and simply we can afford to have one or two compromised if it gives us the scum.

[safariguy5]

I'm fine with just about voting anyone, I'll hear what he has to say first though.

[Iliad]

[quote="Iliad"]Vote count
safariguy-3- daze, talapus, chapcrap
/-1-btg
kwanton-2-saxlad, nagerous
edocsil-2- safariguy, /,
chap-5-bleed, pancakemix, naxus, strikewolf, edoc
talapus-1-rodion
nag-1 squirrel
bleed-1-haggis
haggis-1-bleedgreen

With 18 alive takes 10 to lynch.
Deadline has been pushed back by two days to the 18th.

[Haggis_McMutton]

unquote vote Chapcrap

Info from the night is more likely to damn the scum then the town, there are more townies and simply we can afford to have one or two compromised if it gives us the scum.

Safari is saying this:

I give both the HotK and the GF equal info each night, I keep the best info for myself and use it as leverage when the time comes.

The problem is, as soon as the town starts losing, he can royally screw us. 2 investigations /night to scum + potentially divulging some of the stuff he kept to himself, that's really really bad.
Even more worrying, he's made it clear that if we're going to kill him, we'd better do it soon.

Tbh, I'm leaning towards killing safari atm, the risks seem to outweigh the rewards. It is unlikely for us to start killing one goon after the other, in most mafia games the goons start going down more towards mid-game where we actually have discussion and night-actions to go off of, but by that point safari will likely be supporting the mafia.

How about this safari: send 2 results to the HotK each night for the first 3 nights. The 1 result you send to the scum and possible additional info you can later provide should be enough to protect you from them. The 2 vs 1 ratio in results would somewhat make up for the > 2 vs 1 ration in town to scum AND in a pinch you can still use the HotK results as leverage against town, you can still make them public for the mafia to see is you're about to be lynched or some such.

Furthermore, I'm only asking for the first 3 nights, the game won't be resolved by then, you can then switch to helping scum more or whatever.

If you don't agree to the above deal, I'll be voting for you.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm actually leaning toward lynching the master of whispers as well. Even one bad result tonight could oust our doctor or our cop tmrw. We can't be sure what he will send to scum and what he will send to town. Plus, the information benefits scum way more than it does town. They get to discuss and come to conclusions on the investigations they get, while the HoTK has to work on his own. And even if he does get clear information, he can't use it without making himself a target.

[edocsil]

I found it!!!!

http://www.couchtuner.com/2011/04/game- ... is-coming/

It has what I think is the whole first season. Just make sure you have a firewall and a virus scanner up lol.

[safariguy5]

unquote vote Chapcrap

Info from the night is more likely to damn the scum then the town, there are more townies and simply we can afford to have one or two compromised if it gives us the scum.

Safari is saying this:

I give both the HotK and the GF equal info each night, I keep the best info for myself and use it as leverage when the time comes.

The problem is, as soon as the town starts losing, he can royally screw us. 2 investigations /night to scum + potentially divulging some of the stuff he kept to himself, that's really really bad.
Even more worrying, he's made it clear that if we're going to kill him, we'd better do it soon.

Tbh, I'm leaning towards killing safari atm, the risks seem to outweigh the rewards. It is unlikely for us to start killing one goon after the other, in most mafia games the goons start going down more towards mid-game where we actually have discussion and night-actions to go off of, but by that point safari will likely be supporting the mafia.

How about this safari: send 2 results to the HotK each night for the first 3 nights. The 1 result you send to the scum and possible additional info you can later provide should be enough to protect you from them. The 2 vs 1 ratio in results would somewhat make up for the > 2 vs 1 ration in town to scum AND in a pinch you can still use the HotK results as leverage against town, you can still make them public for the mafia to see is you're about to be lynched or some such.

Furthermore, I'm only asking for the first 3 nights, the game won't be resolved by then, you can then switch to helping scum more or whatever.

If you don't agree to the above deal, I'll be voting for you.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question. What if I agree and don't follow through? Tomorrow the HoTK is going to out himself and say "hey, safari didn't send me two actions, let's lynch him." Here's the thing with making deals, I don't necessarily have to abide by them. At this point in the game, the HoTK and Cersi are too valuable to their respective sides to out themselves to kill 1 little third party survivor. So I could technically agree to anything, and what would town do if I don't follow through on it?

[BGtheBrain]

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[edocsil]

He shouldn't of had to say it, the plan was unimaginably foolish.

[chapcrap]

Ok, so I got a vote from saf so that he could bandwagon on someone and draw attention away from himself. I get an OMGUS vote from naxus for FoSing him. Strikewolf just because. And PCM and edoc because they think I'm delaying by targeting saf...

Let me ask you a hypothetical question. What if I agree and don't follow through? Tomorrow the HoTK is going to out himself and say "hey, safari didn't send me two actions, let's lynch him." Here's the thing with making deals, I don't necessarily have to abide by them. At this point in the game, the HoTK and Cersi are too valuable to their respective sides to out themselves to kill 1 little third party survivor. So I could technically agree to anything, and what would town do if I don't follow through on it?

Stop giving me reasons to vote for you. First you're a porcupine. Now youre saying even if you dont do what you say, the hotk cant come out and say it. sheesh

First of all, I'm not the only one that thinks saf should go, he's got 3 votes right now and Haggis, BGtheBrain, and Mr. Squirrel on his tail too. I'm not trying to distract, I'm doing the math. If we let saf live, there is a much greater chance that scum will win.

It's math, it's not an opinion!

Not only that, he is being completely uncooperative. Not wanting to try to deal with town in any way. And what's this about him being a porcupine? How is it going to hurt us to have him lynched? He isn't a porcupine at all. He's just scared of leaving and saying anything he can.

I have to agree with Bleed and Talapus on this one. And the way that naxus keeps trying to keep him alive and just ignore the threat by basically saying 'oh well' doesn't sit well with me either.

The problem is, I don't want mafia to get any info. The odds of town hitting a scum on day 1 or 2 are very low. by day 3, we'll be down to 14 people (saf, 5? scum, and 8? town). If we don't hit with on one of the first 2 days, we're screwed and he helps mafia and we can't afford to waste a lynch on him, so we have to go after someone else, keeping him alive and letting him give even more info to the mafia. If we keep him alive, our odds are not good of winning the whole game. I think we just need to get rid of him now.

vote saf
FoS naxus

Check my math if you want. I don't see how keeping him alive is a favor to the town, because by day 3, he'll be siding with the scum and then we'll be royally screwed.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Haggis_McMutton]

So be it then.
unvote vote safari

Statistically he is going to screw over town and this is the only point in which we can safely dispose of him.

[edocsil]

Humh. The lynch will not have my support, but I will not stick my neck out for him.

[safariguy5]

So be it then.
unvote vote safari

Statistically he is going to screw over town and this is the only point in which we can safely dispose of him.

No, like I said, if town gets some good mafia lynches, then obviously I'd side with town.

This whole case on me smacks of lazy scumfinding. It's like saying "well, nobody want's to put in the effort to find a legitimate case on Day 1, let's just hope that the cop gets a guilty result so we have something to go on Day 2." They you justify lynching me using the line of thought that says "well he could be a threat to town, I'm just going to ignore the fact that he could be a threat to mafia as well and lynch him anyways because I don't want to find a better lynch target. Oh and by the way, why don't we give mafia a free nightkill and let's pray the cop finds a mafia member tonight."

See this is exactly the problem with Day 1, nobody want's to put in any effort into legitimately finding mafia. Given town's conduct today, even if you do lynch me, what do you have to go on tomorrow? Nothing. So it's just going to be a rehash of Day 1 except the HoTK has no leads and you're probably going to lose at least 1 townie.

With me alive, HoTK is basically like a watcher/tracker combo. I could conceivably see him claiming in a day or two and then garnering doc protection. But no, you want to depower him by killing me while Cersi continues to have godfather status and controls a NK (along with any other mafia abilities the group might have.

So yeah, easy lynch for town, give mafia a lead, and probably end up with no leads on Day 2 barring a lucky cop investigation.

[naxus]

Ok, so I got a vote from saf so that he could bandwagon on someone and draw attention away from himself. I get an OMGUS vote from naxus for FoSing him. Strikewolf just because. And PCM and edoc because they think I'm delaying by targeting saf...

Let me ask you a hypothetical question. What if I agree and don't follow through? Tomorrow the HoTK is going to out himself and say "hey, safari didn't send me two actions, let's lynch him." Here's the thing with making deals, I don't necessarily have to abide by them. At this point in the game, the HoTK and Cersi are too valuable to their respective sides to out themselves to kill 1 little third party survivor. So I could technically agree to anything, and what would town do if I don't follow through on it?

Stop giving me reasons to vote for you. First you're a porcupine. Now youre saying even if you dont do what you say, the hotk cant come out and say it. sheesh

First of all, I'm not the only one that thinks saf should go, he's got 3 votes right now and Haggis, BGtheBrain, and Mr. Squirrel on his tail too. I'm not trying to distract, I'm doing the math. If we let saf live, there is a much greater chance that scum will win.

It's math, it's not an opinion!

Not only that, he is being completely uncooperative. Not wanting to try to deal with town in any way. And what's this about him being a porcupine? How is it going to hurt us to have him lynched? He isn't a porcupine at all. He's just scared of leaving and saying anything he can.

I have to agree with Bleed and Talapus on this one. And the way that naxus keeps trying to keep him alive and just ignore the threat by basically saying 'oh well' doesn't sit well with me either.

The problem is, I don't want mafia to get any info. The odds of town hitting a scum on day 1 or 2 are very low. by day 3, we'll be down to 14 people (saf, 5? scum, and 8? town). If we don't hit with on one of the first 2 days, we're screwed and he helps mafia and we can't afford to waste a lynch on him, so we have to go after someone else, keeping him alive and letting him give even more info to the mafia. If we keep him alive, our odds are not good of winning the whole game. I think we just need to get rid of him now.

vote saf
FoS naxus

Check my math if you want. I don't see how keeping him alive is a favor to the town, because by day 3, he'll be siding with the scum and then we'll be royally screwed.

Im amazed how were still on this subject.

The potential information that safari could provide during this game is invaluable. Wasting a lynch on him D1 gets us nowhere. We will have no leads to go on(He's third party for gods sake) and barring a lucky cop investigation N1(Which is a shot in the dark at the best of times) will get us nowhere on day 2 leading to another wasted lynch(possibly no lynch of worse a mislynch) which would leave town numbers decimated from two wasted lynches and two free mafia Nk's.

Today if we actually try to oust someone who is leading the town astray on stupid things(like Chapcrap for instance) then tommorow we have loads more information from both Haggis being alive and from the Bandwagons and voting patterns off of how Chap would flip. Now can we please leave safari alone? He's too important to kill off and Town risk's more than they can by trying to lynch him.

unvote vote safari

FOS on BG for blindly jumping on this wagon

[Bleed_Green]

UNVOTE Haggis and Chap for some reason my joke vote was not changed from chap to haggis and stuck with both.. but that is beside the point..

I am still sticking with that Safari's potential reward does not out weigh the potential for disaster, especially after what he just stated with as he calls Lazy scum hunting. It is pretty hard to scum hunt when everyone is on the debate on what to do with you besides the submariners but that way I look at if D1 lynch goes to a mislynch town is -1, NK not protected by a power role town is now down -2.. if we decide to lynch you the next day becomes a wasted lynch leaving possibility for 1 more additional NK leaving town -3 plus all the you know have 3 sets of information which you will hand of to the mafia..

I am sorry safari I can see why you came out and told everyone this and i find it honorable but with the math and the odds of town being hurt badly I have to VOTE Safari

I know that I still learning this but everyone who is trying to defend Safari I find very suspicious. I see it as a way to keep Safari around to receive his actions each night only to benefit mafia to have leads on power roles

[naxus]

Sigh

D1-Lynch safari
N1-Mafia unblocked, Cop gets Worthless result
D2-Most likely mislynch
N2-Mafia unblocked, Cop gets worthless result

3 dead town and safari dead

D1-Mislynch
N1-Mafai unblocked, cop gets worthless result
D2-Haggis being alive leads town to a scum lynch and gives town needed info on scum
N2-Mafia has much higher chance of being blocked

1 dead mafia, 2 dead town

D1-Scum lynch
N1-Mafia unblocked, cop gets worthless result
D2-With both haggis and the scum lynch we get another scum lynch
N2-Mafia highly likely to be blocked

2 dead mafia, 1 dead town

Safari has the potential to hurt town but he can hurt mafia just as much, or even more

[safariguy5]

UNVOTE Haggis and Chap for some reason my joke vote was not changed from chap to haggis and stuck with both.. but that is beside the point..

I am still sticking with that Safari's potential reward does not out weigh the potential for disaster, especially after what he just stated with as he calls Lazy scum hunting. It is pretty hard to scum hunt when everyone is on the debate on what to do with you besides the submariners but that way I look at if D1 lynch goes to a mislynch town is -1, NK not protected by a power role town is now down -2.. if we decide to lynch you the next day becomes a wasted lynch leaving possibility for 1 more additional NK leaving town -3 plus all the you know have 3 sets of information which you will hand of to the mafia..

I am sorry safari I can see why you came out and told everyone this and i find it honorable but with the math and the odds of town being hurt badly I have to VOTE Safari

I know that I still learning this but everyone who is trying to defend Safari I find very suspicious. I see it as a way to keep Safari around to receive his actions each night only to benefit mafia to have leads on power roles

3 sets of information I give mafia? Did you even read my claim.

I get three actions a night. 1 goes to HoTK, 1 goes to Cersi, and I can decide what to do with one of them. So every night, town gets information.

Now if you're worried that HoTK can't use that information, there's an easy way for him to be useful to town. He claims tomorrow, and you get a doc to protect him the rest of the game. He can then broadcast all of the actions I give him while being safe from mafia NK's. That's how a "safe" town would play it.

The riskier way is for him to not claim, but drop hints on who he thinks is scummy. Also, if he gets night actions, he can potentially clear townies who claim and also implicate lying scum if they fakeclaim night actions.

Town's biggest problem is mislynching. With me alive, you cut down on the guesswork substantially. You do the math, how much worse is it for town to mislynch than no lynch? And if you out a town PR like a cop or a doc, you put town in a hole no matter what. I can prevent that, and a smart townie would know that.

[edocsil]

UNVOTE Haggis and Chap for some reason my joke vote was not changed from chap to haggis and stuck with both.. but that is beside the point..

I am still sticking with that Safari's potential reward does not out weigh the potential for disaster, especially after what he just stated with as he calls Lazy scum hunting. It is pretty hard to scum hunt when everyone is on the debate on what to do with you besides the submariners but that way I look at if D1 lynch goes to a mislynch town is -1, NK not protected by a power role town is now down -2.. if we decide to lynch you the next day becomes a wasted lynch leaving possibility for 1 more additional NK leaving town -3 plus all the you know have 3 sets of information which you will hand of to the mafia..

I am sorry safari I can see why you came out and told everyone this and i find it honorable but with the math and the odds of town being hurt badly I have to VOTE Safari

I know that I still learning this but everyone who is trying to defend Safari I find very suspicious. I see it as a way to keep Safari around to receive his actions each night only to benefit mafia to have leads on power roles

3 sets of information I give mafia? Did you even read my claim.

I get three actions a night. 1 goes to HoTK, 1 goes to Cersi, and I can decide what to do with one of them. So every night, town gets information.

Now if you're worried that HoTK can't use that information, there's an easy way for him to be useful to town. He claims tomorrow, and you get a doc to protect him the rest of the game. He can then broadcast all of the actions I give him while being safe from mafia NK's. That's how a "safe" town would play it.

The riskier way is for him to not claim, but drop hints on who he thinks is scummy. Also, if he gets night actions, he can potentially clear townies who claim and also implicate lying scum if they fakeclaim night actions.

Town's biggest problem is mislynching. With me alive, you cut down on the guesswork substantially. You do the math, how much worse is it for town to mislynch than no lynch? And if you out a town PR like a cop or a doc, you put town in a hole no matter what. I can prevent that, and a smart townie would know that.

He speaks the truth. He can prevent substatial harm to the town if we can get info from the night. Having chain smoked most of the series today i think that I can say that besides the HotK and a few of his kin he is also one of the few "good guys" in the movie. I also see the majority of the new players here following the srings of a few leaders, I think it is safe to say that we should find one for them to hang, it could easily lead us to a Godfather.

I have seen what needs to be seen in the show, now the game begins for me for real.

[Bleed_Green]

UNVOTE Haggis and Chap for some reason my joke vote was not changed from chap to haggis and stuck with both.. but that is beside the point..

I am still sticking with that Safari's potential reward does not out weigh the potential for disaster, especially after what he just stated with as he calls Lazy scum hunting. It is pretty hard to scum hunt when everyone is on the debate on what to do with you besides the submariners but that way I look at if D1 lynch goes to a mislynch town is -1, NK not protected by a power role town is now down -2.. if we decide to lynch you the next day becomes a wasted lynch leaving possibility for 1 more additional NK leaving town -3 plus all the you know have 3 sets of information which you will hand of to the mafia..

I am sorry safari I can see why you came out and told everyone this and i find it honorable but with the math and the odds of town being hurt badly I have to VOTE Safari

I know that I still learning this but everyone who is trying to defend Safari I find very suspicious. I see it as a way to keep Safari around to receive his actions each night only to benefit mafia to have leads on power roles

3 sets of information I give mafia? Did you even read my claim.

I get three actions a night. 1 goes to HoTK, 1 goes to Cersi, and I can decide what to do with one of them. So every night, town gets information.

Now if you're worried that HoTK can't use that information, there's an easy way for him to be useful to town. He claims tomorrow, and you get a doc to protect him the rest of the game. He can then broadcast all of the actions I give him while being safe from mafia NK's. That's how a "safe" town would play it.

The riskier way is for him to not claim, but drop hints on who he thinks is scummy. Also, if he gets night actions, he can potentially clear townies who claim and also implicate lying scum if they fakeclaim night actions.

Town's biggest problem is mislynching. With me alive, you cut down on the guesswork substantially. You do the math, how much worse is it for town to mislynch than no lynch? And if you out a town PR like a cop or a doc, you put town in a hole no matter what. I can prevent that, and a smart townie would know that.

He speaks the truth. He can prevent substatial harm to the town if we can get info from the night. Having chain smoked most of the series today i think that I can say that besides the HotK and a few of his kin he is also one of the few "good guys" in the movie. I also see the majority of the new players here following the srings of a few leaders, I think it is safe to say that we should find one for them to hang, it could easily lead us to a Godfather.

I have seen what needs to be seen in the show, now the game begins for me for real.

Safari - The reason I said 3 cause you stated 1 goes to each side and you have a third that you can send to one or the other sides.. or protect in your little black book. The thing I see is that you have 3 bits of information each night what is stopping you from handing all your information to one side prior to a lynch...

As for the idea of the HOTK coming out and a doc protecting is a nice thought but what is saying we even have a doc.. Of course as you stated if there is a doc do not say anything or claim I am only pointing out there may or may not be that role. HOTK information is only handy if that town knows about. I am not trying to destroy your game just see the potential for catastrophe.

Naxus: I can see your math and I will admit that I cannot add up to what you have but you are only looking objectively if town mislynchs below is just my example but it is hard to determine cause D2 will really show how this game will play out.

D1 - Mislynch -1 town
N1 - Mafia kill unblocked -1
D2 - Unless HOTK reveals himself or great hints potential for mislynch = (i will say equal for possible D2 actions)
N2 - Possible kill or blocked = (same as above)

Edoc: I strongly suggest watching the full 10 episodes it will piss you off with all the backstabbing... I do not want to spoil for you just watch it all

I will keep my vote for saf to see what they you have to see, but I would have no problem changing my vote to apply pressure on the inactivies that have been pretty quite during this matter.. I think everyone should be able to say something about this even if you are noob

[TheSaxlad]

Guys, I have not been as active as I would like.

To that end, can someone please replace me. Thanks and Sorry for causing you all this hassle.

TSL

[Haggis_McMutton]

Sigh

D1-Lynch safari
N1-Mafia unblocked, Cop gets Worthless result
D2-Most likely mislynch
N2-Mafia unblocked, Cop gets worthless result

3 dead town and safari dead

D1-Mislynch
N1-Mafai unblocked, cop gets worthless result
D2-Haggis being alive leads town to a scum lynch and gives town needed info on scum
N2-Mafia has much higher chance of being blocked

1 dead mafia, 2 dead town

D1-Scum lynch
N1-Mafia unblocked, cop gets worthless result
D2-With both haggis and the scum lynch we get another scum lynch
N2-Mafia highly likely to be blocked

2 dead mafia, 1 dead town

Safari has the potential to hurt town but he can hurt mafia just as much, or even more

These are about as believable as:
D1 - Random Lynch
N1 - All the mafia kill themselves, town wins

Let me tell you what's really gonna happen if we follow through with your plan:

D1 - Mislynch (like in virtually every other god damned game)
N1 - town killed, safari gives not very useful info to either GF or Hotk, saving the best for himself.
D2 - Another mislynch, since we really don't have that much more info
N2 - Another town kill, maybe safari gives out the more usefull info to scum as they're winning
D3 - Town start having night actions and discussion on which to base promising cases on, however by this point safari is supporting the scum, maybe gives out more info to them since lynching him at this point is pretty useless anyway.

Also, I really don't like how safari and a few other guys are pretending like they don't understand what we're saying(see the 3 reveals stuff, or the mantra about "he can also help out town, guys".
A SK can also help out town, but I doubt we would keep him around for that purpose.
Statistically safari is going to screw town.

However, personally, I'd still be willing to let him survive if he "meta-promised" to follow my plan of giving the HotK 2 investigations for the first 3 nights.
By "meta-promise" I mean promise as the player safariguy and not the role "the spider". I mean the kind of promise strike made to edoc when he said he'd hammer mandy in PotC. You can lie if you really want, but I'd never trust that kind of promise from you in any game ever again. Seeing as my plan isn't really detrimental to you, if you meta-promised you'd do it, I'd believe you.
Don't really know if the rest of town would buy it as well though.

[safariguy5]

Information is information. I can't remember who, but someone said that they consider busdrivers and jailkeepers and the like to be power roles too. No matter what action I send town, it's going to be useful. Obviously the best actions that I keep to myself would probably be protections or kills. For the record bleed, a game this large must have some town protective roles, could be a doc, could be a bodyguard and maybe a jailkeeper or something. Point being, town has protective roles given that this is an experienced mod.

Now, if I keep a NK or Protection to myself for the first few nights, it has the potential to help town or mafia, depending on what sort of night actions I get. And we may have a vig in this game, so even if I did send a kill action to HoTK, he might go after the wrong person. And even if I did hand him a mafia night action, the only way he's going to be able to target a lynch on the right person is by revealing himself, setting up exactly what I outlined already. Claimed HoTK, followed by doc protections for the rest of the game. HoTK with me alive plays basically like a flavor cop/tracker combo. HoTK with me dead can't do that.

And as for the SKer comparison, it's not a valid comparison because SKer's win condition makes it impossible for him to win with the town. My win condition allows me to win with either side. And it's going to take more missteps from town to swing the balance of power over to mafia.

UNVOTE Haggis and Chap for some reason my joke vote was not changed from chap to haggis and stuck with both.. but that is beside the point..

I am still sticking with that Safari's potential reward does not out weigh the potential for disaster, especially after what he just stated with as he calls Lazy scum hunting. It is pretty hard to scum hunt when everyone is on the debate on what to do with you besides the submariners but that way I look at if D1 lynch goes to a mislynch town is -1, NK not protected by a power role town is now down -2.. if we decide to lynch you the next day becomes a wasted lynch leaving possibility for 1 more additional NK leaving town -3 plus all the you know have 3 sets of information which you will hand of to the mafia..

I am sorry safari I can see why you came out and told everyone this and i find it honorable but with the math and the odds of town being hurt badly I have to VOTE Safari

I know that I still learning this but everyone who is trying to defend Safari I find very suspicious. I see it as a way to keep Safari around to receive his actions each night only to benefit mafia to have leads on power roles

3 sets of information I give mafia? Did you even read my claim.

I get three actions a night. 1 goes to HoTK, 1 goes to Cersi, and I can decide what to do with one of them. So every night, town gets information.

Now if you're worried that HoTK can't use that information, there's an easy way for him to be useful to town. He claims tomorrow, and you get a doc to protect him the rest of the game. He can then broadcast all of the actions I give him while being safe from mafia NK's. That's how a "safe" town would play it.

The riskier way is for him to not claim, but drop hints on who he thinks is scummy. Also, if he gets night actions, he can potentially clear townies who claim and also implicate lying scum if they fakeclaim night actions.

Town's biggest problem is mislynching. With me alive, you cut down on the guesswork substantially. You do the math, how much worse is it for town to mislynch than no lynch? And if you out a town PR like a cop or a doc, you put town in a hole no matter what. I can prevent that, and a smart townie would know that.

He speaks the truth. He can prevent substatial harm to the town if we can get info from the night. Having chain smoked most of the series today i think that I can say that besides the HotK and a few of his kin he is also one of the few "good guys" in the movie. I also see the majority of the new players here following the srings of a few leaders, I think it is safe to say that we should find one for them to hang, it could easily lead us to a Godfather.

I have seen what needs to be seen in the show, now the game begins for me for real.

Safari - The reason I said 3 cause you stated 1 goes to each side and you have a third that you can send to one or the other sides.. or protect in your little black book. The thing I see is that you have 3 bits of information each night what is stopping you from handing all your information to one side prior to a lynch...

As for the idea of the HOTK coming out and a doc protecting is a nice thought but what is saying we even have a doc.. Of course as you stated if there is a doc do not say anything or claim I am only pointing out there may or may not be that role. HOTK information is only handy if that town knows about. I am not trying to destroy your game just see the potential for catastrophe.

Naxus: I can see your math and I will admit that I cannot add up to what you have but you are only looking objectively if town mislynchs below is just my example but it is hard to determine cause D2 will really show how this game will play out.

D1 - Mislynch -1 town
N1 - Mafia kill unblocked -1
D2 - Unless HOTK reveals himself or great hints potential for mislynch = (i will say equal for possible D2 actions)
N2 - Possible kill or blocked = (same as above)

Edoc: I strongly suggest watching the full 10 episodes it will piss you off with all the backstabbing... I do not want to spoil for you just watch it all

I will keep my vote for saf to see what they you have to see, but I would have no problem changing my vote to apply pressure on the inactivies that have been pretty quite during this matter.. I think everyone should be able to say something about this even if you are noob

First of all, prior to a lynch means that I would have to post in the game thread during the day so both sides have access to it. And really, I predict the greatest chance of me dying is due to town lynch as mafia probably wouldn't be dumb enough to waste a NK on a third party survivor like me. Same goes for any SKer we might have in this game as he needs town and mafia to beat up on each other anyways, so leaving me alive helps whittle down the two sides nicely.

And since I can't post during the night, the information I keep would be mostly so that if I do need to help town with fakeclaiming later, I can do so. That or try to keep myself alive if town tries to lynch me later.

And Haggis, I appreciate your faith in me, but I said I wasn't cutting any deals. As it is, my claim is going to be verified by two people tomorrow anyways, and quite frankly, sending extra information to HoTK isn't going to be that important at this juncture unless he is planning on claiming tomorrow.

[strike wolf]

unvote vote safari

I do not do this because of Haggis' or Bleed's reasonings but because as I originally stated my fear at the beginning may have been that this was just an attempt to try to get the HotK or the king himself to claim prematurely and Safari seems to be calling for the HoTK to claim. Also I'm finding a lot of discrepancies in Safari's posts where he switches back and forth where he has to send one action to the HOTking, one to the Godfather and keep one to himself and posts where he seems to be saying that is not the case.