Safari, its very important that you reveal all you can about your role as clearly as possible and this is why:
Iliad wrote:18. Mafia have fakeclaims. Repeat, mafia have fakeclaims. This is a themed game but I am willing to not include a few characters all in order so that the game works. I'm afraid you''ll have to try and win this the traditional way.
Read between the lines here and you'll realize Iliad wouldn't have worded this rule in this way unless mafia have VERY believable fake claims. Town has to work very hard to uncover them. So Saf, the more vague you are with your answers the more suspicious I will be.
Honestly, when you claimed, I didn't believe you because of this. I thought claiming early like this would be a perfect scum move to make town unlikely to lynch you and keep the cop from investigating you. Basically letting you slide til endgame. If you are scum, you deflect attention from yourself early on for the rest of the game and both you and your godfather will avoid investigation.
Of course, the part of your role that gives your claim validity is the fact that you can send messages through the mod to both the godfather and "the hand of the king". Someone said this would be Ned Stark. The fact that you can send a message
through the mod to a definitively town character would clear you.
Unless Ned Stark is also a fake claim provided by the mod to one of your scum buddies. That would effectively clear two mafia members and validate their claims for the rest of the game. I'm only a little bit familiar with the flavor but I seem to remember Ned Stark was absent for part of the series. So someone more familiar with the story, was Ned Stark dead or otherwise
away during the beginning parts of the series? Iliad said he was willing to not include a few characters to make this a hard game. If Ned Stark was absent for part of the series he would be a good choice to give as a fake claim to mafia.
The reason why I'm suspicious of you safari is mainly the way you claimed. I read your post and your reasoning and I still do not think there was any reason for you to claim day 1. You said:
safariguy5 wrote:The reason I'm claiming now is because quite frankly, there's a good chance that I might be targeted for a NK by either mafia or a vig. Seeing as how I benefit both sides, I figure both sides have good enough reason to want me to stay alive.
I don't like this reasoning. No one is a real target night 1 unless they slip up somehow. In fact by claiming I think you've made yourself even more of an NK target. No one normally kills night one based on roles because of lack of role info.
Unless you have some specific reason to think you'll be targetted. SK and Maf kill randomly and a good vig won't kill. Night 1 there's very little possibility that you will be NKd so you could have easily waited until day 2 or 3 to claim. The
Day 1 claim is weird. Think about it, no good vig kills night 1 unless they have a confirmed target. You've confirmed yourself as non-town and given a vig a definite non-town target. Even though you could be useful to both sides, you claiming makes you even more of a target to an itchy vig. An SK will target you tonight if they're smart but you've addressed that already so I guess its up to if there is one or not.
You're right on mafia though, they won't NK you after your claim because you're useful to them. Which brings me to my next point: Even if your claim is true,
you have to send the godfather good information for them to keep you alive. That means power roles. If you keep helping town and send useless information to the godfather that puts you pretty high up there on they're kill priority list. So even if you do help town with your night action results, you have to give mafia at least 1 or 2 power roles over the course of the game for them to want to keep you alive.
That makes you a big liability. So whether you're telling the truth or not you will most likely end up hurting us in some way.
You've also said that you cannot send out false results so you can't lie to keep yourself alive with the mafia. The only other option is to keep quiet completely and send no one your results. And if it comes to that, you're useful to no one and you might as well have kept quiet about your whole role and tried to stay under the radar.
My other suspicion about how you claimed is how unclear you've been about certain aspects of your role.
safariguy5 wrote:I have to send one of the actions to the king and one to the mafia leader.
safariguy5 wrote:Queen Cersi is Mafia, Hand of the King is who receives my town information.
safariguy5 wrote:Basically, for me to win, this game must end with about 5-6 players left, doesn't matter if mafia or town win.
safariguy5 wrote:And the numbers for scum to win for my win condition says 3-4, so I'm guessing a 5-6 man mafia group.
The little inconsistencies with your claim are what struck me as weird. However, this is a pretty complex role and I'm willing to chalk it up to not understanding it.
I think I had more to say but I just had a brain fart.
And if you are saying that town would consider them high on the mafia hitlist and would be suspicious if they didn't turn out dead, I think I've explained part of that. If town thinks that saf is helping mafia to keep himself alive it is not suspicious at all. On top of that, a claim of Hand of the King would draw immediate doc attention because that's such a obvtown character claim. This helps them so much by wasting a doc protection and possibly outing the doc (if he has to come out and say he protected the HotK for some reason).
