CLUE Mafia- Mafia Win!!!! MVP- Rodion

[Rodion]

sorry for the double post.

I would also like to hear a full flavor claim from rodion, since a lot of the flavor info discovered points to him.

Sure, but I never heard of a "full flavor claim" before. What exactly do you want me to reveal?

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Well, actually it means like saying who you are, why you are here, story and all, but so as not to upset rule 2, I'll only ask two things.
1. Are you town with no alternative goals?
2. Is your character attempting to hide anything?

[Mass Miracle]

I had send a pm to mass miracle which he never answered, and by the time I was about to send an investigation for the both of us, day started.

So I missed it. I don't know yet is Mass sent it without me knowing.

We both sat on this too long, but to clarify...I sent the first email Wednesday, Freezie responded and Wed night it ended so we missed it.

I don't buy into the theory of scum pushing everyone to the same room, that would mean that they know nothing happened in that room and yet something did. Having said that, I recommended the Billiard Room with the thought process of I had investigated it before and nothing happened...so I figured something would have to happen in there eventually. Freezie wanted to search the lounge.

[shieldgenerator7]

"Well, it seems a lot has happened last night," comments Professor Plum. "My partner and I found a strange note in the billiard room, and it seems like everyone else did to." He promptly rubs his chin. "I wonder what this note means, exactly." All of a sudden, he falls over backward, about to crash to the floor. Sergeant Grey catches him just before he would have fallen into a lampstand. "Thank you, Sergeant," Professor Plum says. "It appears I'm not what I used to be. All this murder and mystery has worn me out." And with a qave of his hand he continues, "I think I need some sleep. I'll be in my room if anyone needs me." And with that, Professor Plum walks up the stairs and into his bedroom, so he can get some much needed rest.
[ooc] I'm leaving tomorrow, and will be gone for a week. See you later [/ooc]

[VioIet]

Vote Count


Edoc (3)- doomyoshi, safariguy, dazey
Anark (1)- Rodion


With 17 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

[Rodion]

Well, actually it means like saying who you are, why you are here, story and all, but so as not to upset rule 2, I'll only ask two things.
1. Are you town with no alternative goals?
2. Is your character attempting to hide anything?

1 - Yes.
2 - Tough question. Colonel Mustard made a lot of money by selling radio pieces during the war and Mr. Boddy has scandalous photos about him. My WC has nothing to do with outliving/lynching Boddy (or anyone else) in order to "hide" that, though, as noted in answer 1.

[targetman377]

After rereading this thread a couple of time I am going to vote Edoc. For a couple of reasons.

This mass claim is bad, I have reason to suspect there is a mechanism in place to punish us for it. And on day 1? if the town does indeed win we should be ashamed.

Lalaland has a guilty so vote Lalaland

If we win on the first night then that's just great!!! i don't see how us winning on the first night could be a bad thing?

There are some claims that should come later then others. If I hold off I believe I can catch somebody in a lie. Please, allow me to differ my claim till the end, it will be worth your time.

He wanted to defer his claim when he was number 6 on the list. I think this is one of the most damming things against him. This might be ok if he caught someone in a lie. Which he did not seeing as how no one else thought by claiming that they would catch someone in a lie.

Alright, that does it. I am insisting that everyone claim, today, in the original order agreed upon, ASAP, no exceptions, under threat of lynch. The whole point of this is we can't make an exception in the order we go in and that we wrap up as soon as possible. Otherwise, the claimed townies are going to get picked off one-by-one, leaving us in the dark as a bunch of unclaimed shy players, inactives, and mafia get by with excuses.

In addition, with every town player lost we lose the cellar cards they hold, which to be frank are ridiculously powerful. I don't care about catching scum on a hunch or clue, or cult, or whatever the heck else. I just want some names in an orderly fashion. We'll proceed from there. Vote Edoc to make my point perfectly clear.

How about a quick, gfy? The following the order doesn't mater at all and I have a chance to significantly help the town if I catch someone in a lie. How does it hurt you at all? Worried that I pull a fake out from the names not yet called? Trust me, my role is 100% certain to be in the game and I will not budge from my desire to be one of the last to claim, as my claim will be a hell of a lot more then just a name.

Edocsil: please explain how you were going to catch someone in a lie by claiming last.

Mr. Boddy. I know he is a threat, and he may have not know that I existed. I had hoped that he wold claim and then he could hang.

I do not know how your role could tell you that would that put off the balance of the game? unless you are scum how would you know that information??

Could we at least pretend to try to get eachothers names right? This is a big enough clusterfk when I know at lest who you are talking to and about.

Personally I am laughing a the people who think it was scummy that I tried to delay my claim in the hopes of catching scum. If I thought is was more then you simply not thinking it through all the way you would have earned a vote from me for furthering the goals of the scum.

There was little risk in my move there and a chance for reward for the town? Why would I not try to take the chance? This is a serious question, how can you possibly think that it was a scummy move. Perhaps you can be annoyed that I am an attention whore sometimes here but is absoluetly asinine to think that what I did was scummy.

With this logic Then we all should not have claimed.

And as for his recent actions they all keep adding up to scum for me.

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Sergeant Grey nods at The Colonel's confession, "I can believe that, might as well get all your business squared away, grease the right palms and all regardless of what else is happening." he smirks to himself as he recalls a few cases he's "worked on" involving bribes.
Suddenly he comes to a realization, he turns to Wadsworth "a butler eh..?" the sergeant closes his eye for a moment "Why do I recognize you so well...?" Grey struggled to find the right words to explain what was going on, but there was not enough evidence in this dimension to explain. Thus the fourth wall had to be broken.

I don't know why I haven't been thinking in the context of the movie, since quite apparently the majority of us are based on the movie versions of the characters, as is the setting in general. Wadsworth himself is a character explicitly from the movie and nothing else, the interesting thing about him however is:

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Vote edoc

Also, Where's AD? I'm sure we would like to hear from him at this point.

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By the way, before anyone gets the wrong Idea, of course the scene indicates that character Boddy and character Wadsworth both exist in the game, but that is not what I am saying, I am more interested in who is targeting who, who is the chess-master behind everything, and why there are characters that don't add up..

Have all the cellar cards been dealt to someone? Didn't some people investigate items and rooms instead?

Yeah, maybe we should see who else investigated. But for the most part, it seems everyone picked a cellar card. But I realize I did not post my full investigative results. Here it is:

N0-lounge and revolver.
Lounge- Colonel Mustard (Rodion) in the lounge at midnight
Revolver- found fingerprints of Colonel Mustard, Mr. Boddy, Mr. Black, Mr. Wadsworth, the Butler, and Sgt. Grey

N1-kithcen and knife.
Kitchen- David bill (Com9) eating donuts and the dinner table's still a mess.
Knife- found fingerprints of Miss Ho and Miss Yvette

according to shield, there is a Boddy, a Wadsworth, and a Butler, this implies some strange things.

[DoomYoshi]

I think what is being implied is that the scum were actually given fake claims, and that the mods are giving full support to the fakeclaims.

[Rodion]

I think what is being implied is that the scum were actually given fake claims, and that the mods are giving full support to the fakeclaims.

Why would Lalaland not use hers, then?

Edoc, you said you are more valuable to the town than Shield and you got 2 investigations last night. Can you elaborate on all that?

I'd also like to hear from Anark, if possible. I think there's a simple way of knowing whether he is allowed to talk or not: ask for prod/replacement. If the mods refuse to do so, he's not actually allowed to talk.

[VioIet]

Vote Count


Edoc (5)- doomyoshi, safariguy, dazey, target, /
Anark (1)- Rodion


With 17 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

We will give people a little bit more time to post, before prods will be sent. The day only started three rl days ago, and it's holiday time in the U.S.

[Victor Sullivan]

Let's slow down, folks. I can officially clear edocsil. This is partially linked to our two investigations last night, but I can assure you he is 100% town.

-Sully

[safariguy5]

Well at least you look temporarily more townie because gt was scum Victor, so I will trust your defense for now and unvote.

@ Target, I think the claiming last thing is an acceptable gambit given that he thinks that he could have caught Boddy (especially since Boddy is a debatable alignment role) in a lie. It doesn't hurt to try to do that.

Also, didn't edoc say he got Boddy's Cellar Card, indicating that Boddy is in the game?

The Captain strokes his chin...
"I'm not one for believing in ghosts, although my men have been plenty spooked by them in the war. Two butlers does sound quite redundant however."

[targetman377]

saf i don't care if you think its legit i don't really. I mean i could have claimed the same thing and said you might have caught someone.

[safariguy5]

saf i don't care if you think its legit i don't really. I mean i could have claimed the same thing and said you might have caught someone.

Yes, but it would be a pretty big bluff to fabricate a cellar card and say you got a guilty Boddy Card. I suppose since we did lose 3 people, an exact count is not possible, but that card points to Boddy being a character in the game and not just some flavor NPC.

[Rodion]

saf i don't care if you think its legit i don't really. I mean i could have claimed the same thing and said you might have caught someone.

Yes, but it would be a pretty big bluff to fabricate a cellar card and say you got a guilty Boddy Card. I suppose since we did lose 3 people, an exact count is not possible, but that card points to Boddy being a character in the game and not just some flavor NPC.

There is no Boddy card. Edocsil concluded Boddy to be anti-town from his role PM. Edocsil's 2 cards were Mr. Green (Pyrhhus, innocent) and Lady Lavender (Daze, innocent).

[safariguy5]

saf i don't care if you think its legit i don't really. I mean i could have claimed the same thing and said you might have caught someone.

Yes, but it would be a pretty big bluff to fabricate a cellar card and say you got a guilty Boddy Card. I suppose since we did lose 3 people, an exact count is not possible, but that card points to Boddy being a character in the game and not just some flavor NPC.

There is no Boddy card. Edocsil concluded Boddy to be anti-town from his role PM. Edocsil's 2 cards were Mr. Green (Pyrhhus, innocent) and Lady Lavender (Daze, innocent).

Oh. Well, let's be honest here, although we've shared plenty of information about investigations and cellar cards, outside of shm and gt, we haven't found many other leads. And with shm still at the station and gt now dead, I'm not going to fault edoc for trying to find scum.

The good Captain blushes at his mistake. "I do not believe we should incriminate those who came forward later, all lies will unravel eventually."

[DoomYoshi]

VS, just saying you clear someone doesn't actually work. You need to present us with proof

[edocsil]

Well at least you look temporarily more townie because gt was scum Victor, so I will trust your defense for now and unvote.

@ Target, I think the claiming last thing is an acceptable gambit given that he thinks that he could have caught Boddy (especially since Boddy is a debatable alignment role) in a lie. It doesn't hurt to try to do that.

Also, didn't edoc say he got Boddy's Cellar Card, indicating that Boddy is in the game?

The Captain strokes his chin...
"I'm not one for believing in ghosts, although my men have been plenty spooked by them in the war. Two butlers does sound quite redundant however."

I did not get his card, no no one living has. Victor, thanks for taking the stand, I wasn't going to mention our connection unless you did first. At least if I get hung now it will show that you are town.

Target, you again call me out saying that a large list of Town beneficial actions make me scum. The only valid part of the case against me is the fact that I deliberately lied about that room.

@ others. I recently read the bits about Boddy and Wads perhaps being the same person, I honestly had no idea that that could be the case, or that Wads could be the bad guy. My role PM paints me as the Pro Town hero, and the only one not looking for the money.

[targetman377]

well if you did not skim my argument you would understand why you are my top suspect. also you claim Beneficial actions? beneficial mean it yielded positive factual results. as of yet all you claimed is you where helping town with no real help. And thats just facts and covering yourself. To me all your doing is covering yourself for you being scum

[edocsil]

Responses in red.

After rereading this thread a couple of time I am going to vote Edoc. For a couple of reasons.

This mass claim is bad, I have reason to suspect there is a mechanism in place to punish us for it. And on day 1? if the town does indeed win we should be ashamed.

Lalaland has a guilty so vote Lalaland

If we win on the first night then that's just great!!! i don't see how us winning on the first night could be a bad thing?

Mass Claims are lame in flavor games. Unless the mod has already planned for it and there is a large universe for good fake claims it can ruin the game. Winning is good, but it is pointless if the game isn't fun, and mass claiming can take a lot of the fun out of the game. The game becomes very predictable after a claim. Point awarded to Edoc'sil.

There are some claims that should come later then others. If I hold off I believe I can catch somebody in a lie. Please, allow me to differ my claim till the end, it will be worth your time.

He wanted to defer his claim when he was number 6 on the list. I think this is one of the most damming things against him. This might be ok if he caught someone in a lie. Which he did not seeing as how no one else thought by claiming that they would catch someone in a lie.

Beyond your broken and barely legible English you say that that an action is not scummy if it gets results and is scummy if it doesn't get results. This is a logical fallacy, as actions in a game like this are not guarantied certain results. I had a chance to help the town, I made a reasonable request, and the people who threw the biggest stink about it (GT) were scum. There's a hint. Point to Edoc'sil again.

Alright, that does it. I am insisting that everyone claim, today, in the original order agreed upon, ASAP, no exceptions, under threat of lynch. The whole point of this is we can't make an exception in the order we go in and that we wrap up as soon as possible. Otherwise, the claimed townies are going to get picked off one-by-one, leaving us in the dark as a bunch of unclaimed shy players, inactives, and mafia get by with excuses.

In addition, with every town player lost we lose the cellar cards they hold, which to be frank are ridiculously powerful. I don't care about catching scum on a hunch or clue, or cult, or whatever the heck else. I just want some names in an orderly fashion. We'll proceed from there. Vote Edoc to make my point perfectly clear.

How about a quick, gfy? The following the order doesn't mater at all and I have a chance to significantly help the town if I catch someone in a lie. How does it hurt you at all? Worried that I pull a fake out from the names not yet called? Trust me, my role is 100% certain to be in the game and I will not budge from my desire to be one of the last to claim, as my claim will be a hell of a lot more then just a name.

Edocsil: please explain how you were going to catch someone in a lie by claiming last.

Mr. Boddy. I know he is a threat, and he may have not know that I existed. I had hoped that he wold claim and then he could hang.

I do not know how your role could tell you that would that put off the balance of the game? unless you are scum how would you know that information??

Flavor in my role made it very likely that he existed and that he was scum. If he claimed as himself and claimed town/survivor/whatever I could have pushed for a hanging. It isn't like it would be an insta win for the town, and it would be in no way game breaking. A lot of us have info on other players, this was no different. Because you seem to be incapable of rational analysis you have not realized that many of the players have flavor info about characters in the game. Surprise, that doesn't even remotely indicate that I am scum. Again, point to me.

Could we at least pretend to try to get each others names right? This is a big enough clusterfk when I know at lest who you are talking to and about.

Personally I am laughing a the people who think it was scummy that I tried to delay my claim in the hopes of catching scum. If I thought is was more then you simply not thinking it through all the way you would have earned a vote from me for furthering the goals of the scum.

There was little risk in my move there and a chance for reward for the town? Why would I not try to take the chance? This is a serious question, how can you possibly think that it was a scummy move. Perhaps you can be annoyed that I am an attention whore sometimes here but is absolutely asinine to think that what I did was scummy.

With this logic Then we all should not have claimed.

Again, you barely scratch the surface in attempting to understand my arguments. At this point the mass claim was happening, regardless of my opinions of it. I merely suggested that I claim later, in the hopes that I could help the town, not that I shouldn't have to claim at all. I need to say nothing more about that, you cannot even pretend that that argument has any rational basis at all. It is the worst of your arguments and is is simply ignoring everything remotely resembling the truth.

And as for his recent actions they all keep adding up to scum for me.

I feel like I am getting trolled, but I worry that I have been slightly rude in my reply above. I do not appreciate having to counter the same argument from the same person twice. It is dull and a waste of time, and hopefully I will not have to do it again.

[safariguy5]

No I agree edoc, I think target's gotten some tunnel vision, and with the gt vs. sully issue resolved and shm out of action for now, the third person on my scummy list happens to be target.

vote target

[DoomYoshi]

No I agree edoc, I think target's gotten some tunnel vision, and with the gt vs. sully issue resolved and shm out of action for now, the third person on my scummy list happens to be target.

vote target

True enough, although I would still like to hear about VS`s connection before I switch votes.

[VioIet]

Vote Count


Edoc (2)- doomyoshi, dazey
Anark (1)- Rodion
target(1)- safari

With 17 alive, it takes 8 to lynch