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[Crazyirishman]

But the post a nudie picture of yourself thread is a crucial part of the Spankademy, you just don't understand Mr. Chang

[anonymus]

That's just cheap and unnecessary.

Well BG did say this was the only record he has. I'm sure Codey doesn't mind you referring to his rantings in such a way.

oh i have one!

2009-09-21 17:36:19 - codeblue1018: average dice,,you lost
2009-09-21 17:36:38 - anonymus: wel that kind of sucks..
2009-09-21 17:36:50 - anonymus: not with my stack against the one you had on reb7
2009-09-21 17:37:10 - codeblue1018: trust me when i say you lost
2009-09-21 17:37:30 - anonymus: so if you win 78% either you play people hwo dont read the log
2009-09-21 17:37:41 - anonymus: ok trust the game log when i walk into your castle mate
2009-09-21 17:37:46 - codeblue1018: i never said 78
2009-09-21 17:37:48 - codeblue1018: ill make you a bet
2009-09-21 17:37:58 - codeblue1018: we ll make 10 games,,i win 7 of them
2009-09-21 17:38:02 - codeblue1018: we ll even use this game
2009-09-21 17:38:24 - codeblue1018: if i win 7,,,we ll have lack delete your account,,,i i lose,,,we will delete my account
2009-09-21 17:38:42 - codeblue1018: WTF<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<26v38 ends3v10
2009-09-21 17:39:02 - codeblue1018: 14v1,, iuhave 6 left?????????/
2009-09-21 17:39:17 - codeblue1018: 4v1,,i lose all
2009-09-21 17:39:31 - codeblue1018: walk in my castle???
2009-09-21 17:39:37 - codeblue1018: you had perfect dice
2009-09-21 17:39:45 - codeblue1018: what are you smoking???
2009-09-21 17:39:55 - codeblue1018: dude,,u win 35% on this map
2009-09-21 17:40:01 - codeblue1018: sorry,,you are better,,,LOL
2009-09-21 17:42:23 - codeblue1018: thats what i thought!
2009-09-21 17:42:51 - codeblue1018: Score: 2021 Games: 785 completed, 379 (48%) won
2009-09-21 17:42:55 - codeblue1018: case and point
2009-09-21 17:43:31 - codeblue1018: you low ranks are all the same,,,become cocky once u win a game based solely on dice
2009-09-21 17:43:34 - codeblue1018: impressive
2009-09-21 17:45:51 - anonymus: ok maprank on you for feudal is 65% won and you are listed as pointhoarder (captain on feudal) while i have 51% won on feudal listed as equalitarian dvs i dont play noobs on a hard mapo for the points
2009-09-21 17:46:08 - anonymus: you have 6000 games and still only +900 on feudal so im not impressed..
2009-09-21 17:47:12 - anonymus: and all we lowranked majors always akt cockey against you highrank captains..
2009-09-21 17:47:29 - anonymus: learn to take a beating stop complaining
2009-09-21 17:47:41 - codeblue1018: LOL
2009-09-21 17:47:54 - codeblue1018: see u are a low ranked major as this is all you can attain littel fella
2009-09-21 17:48:05 - codeblue1018: get to brig,, ONCE not 5 times, ONCE
2009-09-21 17:48:23 - codeblue1018: i am thi srank as i choose to be,,much more fun,,,,,get to top 25 on the scoreboard, ONCE
2009-09-21 17:48:28 - codeblue1018: thats what i thought
2009-09-21 17:48:47 - codeblue1018: as i said,,,you are impressive especcially with your overall 45% win rate
2009-09-21 17:48:51 - codeblue1018: imoressive
2009-09-21 17:49:13 - codeblue1018: you will learn this once day
2009-09-21 17:49:31 - codeblue1018: 10 games,,,,6000 games,,,it is a mute issue,,,when you have a 60% overall win rate
2009-09-21 17:49:39 - anonymus: well it wouldnt be a problem with 6000 games mate,, or playing noobs on difficult maps.. sorry but i do not respect people who whine over dice..
2009-09-21 17:49:39 - codeblue1018: as i said,,keep practicing
2009-09-21 17:49:59 - codeblue1018: i wouldnt either.....this is how you won,,i know it,,,you know it,,,,thats all that counts
2009-09-21 17:50:08 - anonymus: ok i will
2009-09-21 17:50:17 - anonymus: have a pleasant night knowing i beat you
2009-09-21 17:50:18 - codeblue1018: keep practicing for you have lots to learn,,,your win rate tell no lies noether does the game log
2009-09-21 17:50:33 - codeblue1018: LOL
2009-09-21 17:50:43 - codeblue1018: we ll make another bet since you wont do the first one
2009-09-21 17:51:18 - codeblue1018: first one to colonel,,i make it easy for you stays the other quits, say 7 days to accomplish??
2009-09-21 17:51:45 - codeblue1018: you obviously have the advantage with more points?
2009-09-21 17:52:11 - codeblue1018: thats what i thought,,,,,,spineless

brought to you by anon on popular demand..

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[BoganGod]

Thanks anon for another vintage codey game chat. Sadly am still looking for game chat where he mentions his 5brig thang more than once. I know he did in one of the lost games against me, almost made me piss myself laughing.


Back to topic. Sorry all. So Mr Changsha sir, will you now admit to all readers that you were denied membership in the spankademy? Deemed neither smart nor funny enough. Further more, that initial harsh rejection has made you the well read renaissance man, and humorist you are today. Without that initial goad to reach higher, and further you might have settled for simian simplicity and a quid pro quo pic swapping relationship with a certain fair monki.

Laughing cav, I love the causes you are now supporting, may I suggest land rights for gay whales, and literacy for kittens as two other worthwhile causes. ever yours in drooling admiration. Bogan

ps WHERE IS MY SPANKING!!!!!!!

[Mr Changsha]

I think this quote is a fair representation of the principle argument against me.

Duh...you must wanna be monkey. You are jealous
that you are not a monkey..that's why you made this thread.

This is of course complete and utter tosh. I'm attacking the monkeys because right now I find it amusing to do so. If it pisses anyone off, then that is amusing for me too. I'd prefer it if it made people laugh..but I'll take anger too.

All good.

Do I actually mean anything I have written in this thread? In all honesty, the core concept (that long-term highly ranked players sometimes attach far too much importance to it and tend to quite sincerely look down on others) is something I genuinely believe. The rest is all so much flannel.

I do think the monkey's inability to accept new players (though btw many, many clans are guilty of this) also reflects that inherent arrogance.

I think a lot of players are forgetting that this is a casual game, clan members especially, and that a rather worrying seperation is taking place between the, what, 500 or so hardcore and the rest.

I think one of the reasons the monkeys, for example, can't seem to accept anyone who has joined since 2009 is that a sub-culture has slowly developed here that must be incredibly hard to break into for a new player. When I started playing the clans were really just forming, things were looser, now the game at the top end has to an extent been professionalised (without the cash). We have managers, specialists, team leaders and set crews. Clan games are really quite high pressure these days, one really can't f*ck up at all now.

I understand that training clans are an attempt to bridge the gap, and I applaud the effort, but looking at the monkeys one must conclude they aren't working all that well.

The bandits are no different either. It is often said in our clan that there are no good posters coming through, but again think on what impossible standards we are setting. We want to see a deep knowledge of the site, an awareness of the various undercurrents at work, an ability to be humorous, clever, funny and wise too. All in a poster who has been here a matter of months?

I think the same holds on the playing side too. I think clans these days have impossibly high standards that newer players just can't meet..which is why you see so few clan members who joined in 2011, 2010 and even 2009. I believe the bandits have one player who joined in 2009 (squishy), I believe the monkeys are in the same position.

Yet there must be some superb players in the classes of the last 3 years.

My suggestion?

Do away with training clans and take a leap. Invite new players in properly, let them make mistakes in clan games (I know, I know...the horror!) In the end they'll learn far quicker if they are thrown in the deep end (as I was), clan playing staffs will be more diverse, the newer players will actually get a chance to play at the top end, and the game will be healthier as a result.

But this assumes that clans (uber clans more than most) can take a far more casual attitude to the game.

[BoganGod]

Damn it Mr Changsha, you conned us all, seems you have something sensible to say after all dammit.

Think you've made a lot of valid points in your post. I know that it is sometimes hard to let go, and risk throwing someone in the deep end. Playing the same teams on the same maps in every clan war, eventually makes a clan horribly predictable doesn't it? I'm in complete agreement that clans need to wake up and not take themselves so seriously. I'm going to speak heresy here, I don't really care if I'm part of a clan that is ranked 1st on site, I want to be part of a clan that trains their own players, and takes the view - if your in the clan, and active on site, you will be included in each and every clan war irrespective of your experience, recent dice stats/winning percentages. Not trusting fellow clan members and leaving them 15lines of team chat, plus asking them to pm before taking a turn is just bs. Know that some clans and teams do it. Scary


Now back to topic. WHERE IS MY FUCKING SPANKING, I WANT TO BE SPANKED RIGHT NOW, HOW ABOUT NOW? WHAT ABOUT NOW???? COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gold Knight]

I would like to say that Cherubs of Death hasnt been especially much of a teaching group per se, but more of a tryout to see how players we bring in mix with our members in AOD. While we do try them out on some maps they are unfamiliar with and attempt to broaden their game knowledge, I would also like to say that I learn quite a bit from the experience and the players we bring in.

While I would agree that the upper-echelon clans do seem to handle their recruitment and structure a little more rigidly than I would like, let them run things the way they would like. No one forces them into their training groups, nor are they held there against their will once accepted. Obviously players in their groups find some sort of enjoyment or challenge from the group (or they dont have a mind to think on their own), so that alone merits its ability to stay open.

[BigBallinStalin]

Regarding serious gamers and serious clans:

As Mr Changsha has indicated, there is a spectrum of serious-to-fun in clans. From what I noticed, serious clans and their serious members mostly derive satisfaction not so much from the challenge or intensity of the game itself, but more so from satisfying the dormant desire of dominating someone.

Most frequent users of the internet tend to have difficulties in socializing with others in the RL (real life). This inability frustrates their desire to show to others that they are dominant. Being dominant doesn't necessarily mean being macho or placing others in a disadvantageous position. It can consist of telling jokes and receiving positive feedback compared to the submissive, social position of telling a joke and having negative or neutral feedback.

In the RL, serious gamers tend to be limited to the submissive role in social situations; however, on the internet, the power of anonymity plus the means of achieving a competitive advantage over others grants them the satisfaction of dominating others, and for many, exerting a form of "macho" in order to reassure themselves of their masculinity.


tl;dr: Serious clans are chocked full of serious gamers who are essentially "cyber-jocks," who suffer from a perceived lack of masculinity coupled with the inability to achieve a long-standing dominant role in real-life social situations. Therefore, these cyber-jocks join circle-jerk clans in order to assert their dominance through winning extremely petty games followed by infantile screaming in game chat plus heavy doses of cyber chest-thumping in the fora.

In conclusion, if you suffer from cyber-jock syndrome (CJS), then I recommend you invest in self-help books, read advice columns, and maybe occasionally lapse into a "Courage Wolf" or "Advice Dog" series.

[firstholliday]

yawn

[JoshyBoy]

This thread... is awesome. I think my brain just hemorrhaged from the sheer volume of nonsensical yet funny scullduggery that the literary giants of CC are lambasting our retinas with. Another contender for best thread of the year right here.

[General Mojo]

Regarding serious gamers and serious clans:

As Mr Changsha has indicated, there is a spectrum of serious-to-fun in clans. From what I noticed, serious clans and their serious members mostly derive satisfaction not so much from the challenge or intensity of the game itself, but more so from satisfying the dormant desire of dominating someone.

Most frequent users of the internet tend to have difficulties in socializing with others in the RL (real life). This inability frustrates their desire to show to others that they are dominant. Being dominant doesn't necessarily mean being macho or placing others in a disadvantageous position. It can consist of telling jokes and receiving positive feedback compared to the submissive, social position of telling a joke and having negative or neutral feedback.

In the RL, serious gamers tend to be limited to the submissive role in social situations; however, on the internet, the power of anonymity plus the means of achieving a competitive advantage over others grants them the satisfaction of dominating others, and for many, exerting a form of "macho" in order to reassure themselves of their masculinity.


tl;dr: Serious clans are chocked full of serious gamers who are essentially "cyber-jocks," who suffer from a perceived lack of masculinity coupled with the inability to achieve a long-standing dominant role in real-life social situations. Therefore, these cyber-jocks join circle-jerk clans in order to assert their dominance through winning extremely petty games followed by infantile screaming in game chat plus heavy doses of cyber chest-thumping in the fora.

In conclusion, if you suffer from cyber-jock syndrome (CJS), then I recommend you invest in self-help books, read advice columns, and maybe occasionally lapse into a "Courage Wolf" or "Advice Dog" series.

This post is utterly brilliant. Don't forget to add the mods to this...they are just as bad.

[Leehar]

I think the most humorous bit as fh points out, is why tsm seem to be the ones being pointed at for such acts. They've always seemed to be guys who play for the fun of the game most of all and aren't really that involved with hardcore-ness that mc seems to purport. Heck, it seems the innocuous drivel that comes out from the bpb end seems to be more indicative of the dormant desire that bbs refers to.
Heck, the depth that mc reached with this thread seems most similar to the cjs syndrome in his failed attempt to find something to pick on, and it's just a shame that tsm were the ones blighted by his roving eye.

[BoganGod]

Nice post bbs, come on leehar, me thinks that Mr C, "picked" on the monkeys in the knowledge that they don't take themselves too seriously. I could be wrong, has happened once before, I thought I was wrong, but I was really right. Embarrassing. This is a healthy discussion for once. Just think what wisdom we would be missing out on, if the hellenic canine hadn't unlocked this thread.

On a less healthy note. WHERE IS MY SPANKING

[JoshyBoy]

On a less healthy note. WHERE IS MY SPANKING?

I believe you have already received your spanking Mr. God.

That would have been administered through Game 9099496, Game 9099497, Game 9099498, Game 9099502 and Game 9099507.

Hehe, and you loved it.

[BoganGod]

Nah, that was me just doing a bit of mental health first aid for ya. Letting you feel better about yourself.........

[JoshyBoy]

Ah, I was wondering why the invoice hadn't dropped on my door mat. I'll be moving to a new borough immediately to avoid any nasty surprises.

[Mr Changsha]

I think the most humorous bit as fh points out, is why tsm seem to be the ones being pointed at for such acts. They've always seemed to be guys who play for the fun of the game most of all and aren't really that involved with hardcore-ness that mc seems to purport. Heck, it seems the innocuous drivel that comes out from the bpb end seems to be more indicative of the dormant desire that bbs refers to.
Heck, the depth that mc reached with this thread seems most similar to the cjs syndrome in his failed attempt to find something to pick on, and it's just a shame that tsm were the ones blighted by his roving eye.

How on earth have the monkeys been in any way blighted by this thread? I doubt more than 5% of the readers of this thread took my comments in any way seriously at any point..I mean my god I left enough clues.

Those that know me better are aware that 'play' is the key word in all this.

because I'm the kind of chap who would wear his trousers on his head, stick two chopsticks up his nose and quietly, but repeatedly, murmur "wibble".

Mr Changsha STANDS!!!

and I backed it up with some rather colourful vitriol and a little unreasoned conjecture to boot...

So consider this: if the monkeys didn't set up their training clan to lord it, why am I absolutely convinced that they did?

If we assume that I am:

a) Never wrong.
b) A gentle, gentle lover.

and...

c) Not currently on my medication.

This is not a 'silly thread'. I may have penned the odd OP here that I didn't entirely believe in (possibly involving maps and officer ranks) but this time I am completely serious

I've managed to come up with a guide that I hope will both illuminate and dare I say it 'entirely change the way we think about CC'.

I decided to rate the academies on the basis of both teaching and research, with an equal weighting between the two.

What's wrong with a spoof? Nothing at all. But a spoof with a genuine hidden message? Surely that's entertaining?

Also remember that if I had just originally penned a straight thread entitled 'Clans are becoming way too serious' it probably would have got about 100 views. Rightly or wrongly, the forum community enjoys a good scrap..it enjoys a real one more, but it'll still appreciate a good fake one too.

You keep misjudging me Leehar because you are looking for meaning where there is none and completely missing it when there is.

Luckily for me the moderators actually have more sense and so allowed this thread to stay unlocked.

The original title 'Want to be patronised on a daily basis? Join us!' refers to many, many clans...frankly I would include the bandits in that as well. Clans have changed over the last few years, they've been encouraged to be ultra-competitive and by doing so they have made themselves increasingly hard to join. Right now when the bandits are looking for new players we are thinking "seq. colonel level minimum...ideally with own crew". And we don't take the game all that seriously. We are most certainly not an uber clan. But these are the levels one needs these days to even think about competing with the best clans.

"So what?" some might say. But I think the central issue is that it is going to become increasingly difficult for newer players to bridge the gap, which is why that little piece of evidence I highlighted about the monkeys is rather important. That they tried out 23 players with join dates in 2008 or later and found but one (from 2009) who was acceptable. At this rate, we can imagine a clan world in say a couple more years where the clans are still made up of players from 2006-2008 and they have become effectively off-limits to newer players.

I doubt that is what CC envisioned when they went the 'clans are really important' route, but it is what I think will happen.

[BigBallinStalin]

Perhaps, Leehar is suffering from Cyber-Jock Syndrome (CJS).

I think we should all join cyber-hands and rub one off for Leehar's sake.

[BigBallinStalin]

Regarding serious gamers and serious clans:

As Mr Changsha has indicated, there is a spectrum of serious-to-fun in clans. From what I noticed, serious clans and their serious members mostly derive satisfaction not so much from the challenge or intensity of the game itself, but more so from satisfying the dormant desire of dominating someone.

Most frequent users of the internet tend to have difficulties in socializing with others in the RL (real life). This inability frustrates their desire to show to others that they are dominant. Being dominant doesn't necessarily mean being macho or placing others in a disadvantageous position. It can consist of telling jokes and receiving positive feedback compared to the submissive, social position of telling a joke and having negative or neutral feedback.

In the RL, serious gamers tend to be limited to the submissive role in social situations; however, on the internet, the power of anonymity plus the means of achieving a competitive advantage over others grants them the satisfaction of dominating others, and for many, exerting a form of "macho" in order to reassure themselves of their masculinity.


tl;dr: Serious clans are chocked full of serious gamers who are essentially "cyber-jocks," who suffer from a perceived lack of masculinity coupled with the inability to achieve a long-standing dominant role in real-life social situations. Therefore, these cyber-jocks join circle-jerk clans in order to assert their dominance through winning extremely petty games followed by infantile screaming in game chat plus heavy doses of cyber chest-thumping in the fora.

In conclusion, if you suffer from cyber-jock syndrome (CJS), then I recommend you invest in self-help books, read advice columns, and maybe occasionally lapse into a "Courage Wolf" or "Advice Dog" series.

This post is utterly brilliant. Don't forget to add the mods to this...they are just as bad.

Why should I lump the mods into this?


I wouldn't want to go about making blanketing statements about entire groups of people, now would I?

[natty dread]

I think we should all join cyber-hands and rub one off

You make it sound so dirty... why can't you appreciate the fact that giving and receiving cyber-hands is a natural and beautiful thing?

[Fruitcake]

I think the most humorous bit as fh points out, is why tsm seem to be the ones being pointed at for such acts. They've always seemed to be guys who play for the fun of the game most of all and aren't really that involved with hardcore-ness that mc seems to purport. Heck, it seems the innocuous drivel that comes out from the bpb end seems to be more indicative of the dormant desire that bbs refers to.
Heck, the depth that mc reached with this thread seems most similar to the cjs syndrome in his failed attempt to find something to pick on, and it's just a shame that tsm were the ones blighted by his roving eye.

I think this Cyber-Jock Syndrome bears closer inspection. In fact I am sure it is the hidden blight in our online society. Maybe a help group could be organised for C-JS sufferers?

[Leehar]

Of-course!
When irony slips past those who thrive on it, there really needs to be action taken

[Crazyirishman]

As a CJS sufferer, I'd like to pound my chest in the fora and claim credit for this thread developing, because I peer-pressured TGD into unlocking it. It isn't too bad now, is it TGD?

[Robinette]

Ohhh... speaking of cyber-jocks,

i here there is a 50% off sale on cyber jocks this weekend...

i am tempted to go down there and have a look...
but i'm not really sure which 50% they are taking off,,,
i mean, are they exhibiting touches there? or are they, well... shall we say, exposing endowments?

[safariguy5]

Probably a symptom of the lack of new player recruitment in established clans, but I think the recent influx of new clans with mostly newer players correlates to this trend that Mr. C is talking about. It's not a static situation, newer players will find clans to join regardless.

[The Voice]

Sarcasm, self-effacing humor, all that good stuff, it's just so much more ambiguous written than it is spoken; some of it will inevitably be seen as flamming, or baiting, or what have you.

On a separate note, take a look at the TSM recruitment thread. It's built in a similarly lighthearted vein. This monkey-business seems to be at the very core of being a monki, their modus operandi if you will.

Yes, each of these training grounds undoubtedly still has holes needing a fixing*; that is certain. They're all too new to be perfect. But I believe in the goodness of man/woman, that these grounds were created with the noble intention of promoting CC clan life, not to keep players locked away in a dark dungeon, shielded from the lascivious eyes of other clans. If they're at all effective, they're doing just the opposite in my mind. They're cultivating new players or ones inexperienced in team game strategy and bringing them into the limelight.

*It would be helpful if we created a thread that covered what works and what doesn't in training grounds. And reps from each clan could share their insights, so that we could build a stronger clan community together...holding hands...singing kum bay yah