[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[DoomYoshi]

He got killed on day 1 all the time. See Mafia Terms.

[Rodion]

He got killed on day 1 all the time. See Mafia Terms.

So, like Shield, but worse?

[Commander9]

So, like Shield, but worse?

I guess that would be a good way to describe him Besides, shield isn't THAT bad - I've seen much worse in my time here.

[DoomYoshi]

So, like Shield, but worse?

I guess that would be a good way to describe him Besides, shield isn't THAT bad - I've seen much worse in my time here.

I like shield. As I have said many times, he may be young, but he is active, and that is worth gold. Yes, you have seen worse... you have witnessed the rise of DOOMYOSHI. That darn spammer, filling mafia threads with non sequitors.

[Fircoal]

He got killed on day 1 all the time. See Mafia Terms.

So, like Shield, but worse?

Much worse. Couldn't stay out of trouble ever.

[Fircoal]

So, like Shield, but worse?

I guess that would be a good way to describe him Besides, shield isn't THAT bad - I've seen much worse in my time here.

I like shield. As I have said many times, he may be young, but he is active, and that is worth gold. Yes, you have seen worse... you have witnessed the rise of DOOMYOSHI. That darn spammer, filling mafia threads with non sequitors.

Via Shield's profile, he's older than me. x3

[Rodion]

So, like Shield, but worse?

I guess that would be a good way to describe him Besides, shield isn't THAT bad - I've seen much worse in my time here.

I like shield. As I have said many times, he may be young, but he is active, and that is worth gold. Yes, you have seen worse... you have witnessed the rise of DOOMYOSHI. That darn spammer, filling mafia threads with non sequitors.

I like Shield too, personally. But I've noticed he has this unmatched ability of drawing votes and dying soon. He's doing better in Pokémon, though, as far as probably living to see D3.

[strike wolf]

I didn't understand your third phrase ("I call bs ... terminator mafia") at all. Anyway, it is true that you try to talk about everything. You want that to be perceived so badly that you even went as far as to make a totally descriptive post without attaching your opinion to it (the one I'm quoting right now).

I like mafia. I find discussing cases fun...I also wouldn't care about bringing it but at least a couple people seem to feel I don't say anything that doesn't have to do with you.

And while everyone was asking freezie to explain the same thing over and over again blake makes blanket statemnts about what is happening currently and reminding us of rodion's scum games (I am not going into this part as it is a wifom argument.) Also and this is nothing new for this game but target flips his position more than there have been pancakes flipped at IHOP

Not to mention that you didn't get into Blake's meta comment because it was WIFOM but your last post mentioned how fiercely I made my defense in another game.

. Youure calling yourself an easy lynch. I'm saying why you aren't.

The case against me is rather weak. Most of what fircoal has said is apparently based on me and safari militantly hunting down rodion and preventing further discussion. I always pursue my cases aggressively. I believe I recently had this discussion with you in another thread fircoal. I said his case on bleed had a lot of merit and I do believe that bleed could and probably should be further looked into. I've only discredited anything about his case when he's tried to put it on a pedestal that is above question and when he tries to use it as a shield against questions about his comments concerning gimli. Was I the only one who thought that seemed scummy? I guess so.

As far as preventing discussion, I have tried on more than one occasion to lead town towards productive discussion. When everyone was going in circles questioning the lover's connection thing when it likely had no real lead I was one of the ones to point out that it was a waste of time. I brought up the case on vio. I recommended after rodion's claim that we should at the very least question other leads before settling for testing his claim. I will admit I did get over involved for a bit and if you look you will see I even tried to take a step back from the thread a couple of times to let others get words in but in no way have I intended to keep all discussion focused solely on Rodion.

Excuse me but you obviously do not get my case. I never accused you of either of these things. What I accused you of is TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A NEW PLAYER and MANIPULATING TOWN. Basically the fact of the case is how Rodion acted could easily be explained but I think you and Safari as well were more concerned with pushing Rodion into a hole. The way that you made your arguments were not scum hiding but fingering an innocent man who didn't do much wrong into someone that looked scummy.

My mistake. I must have gotten confused with someone else's point. Still I have said my reasons for why I think he is scummy and as far as I am concerned this argument is void unless you can show how the way he defended himself with OMGuses, hiding behind his case on bleed as a defense and taking some of what I have said out of context wasn't scummy.

[strike wolf]

Besides if he seems to want to hold himself as a confident player who knows what is best in this game than I am going to treat him as I would treat a veteran.

Someone may think they're the greatest thing in mafia since sliced bread but that doesn't make them so. That also doesn't mean you should treat them as if they are. You end up treating them like that and you end up losing a town. Sure it may seem righteous in your mind but mafia isn't a game of righteousness. It's a game of scum finding and scum lynching. You may want to take revenge on the dick who keeps on breaking your bonus, but those that play for revenge, won't end up with the win. It's those that strategically play to their advantage that end up with the win. You have to take a player for what he is, or else you'll be making a dire mistake.

QFE

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Treating someone has what anything but what they are is a cardinal mistake for mafia. It's also the PERFECT way to kill off townies when scum. There are some people I could argue a hole around easily. Just look at what I did with Naxus in Firefly. I found something scummy and just questioned him until he lit up like a scummy candle. There's a reason NES got lynched Day 1 so much, he's very good at making himself seem scummy, no one even needs to pressure him. You can't treat players the same. It's always gonna be easier to kill off the inexperienced ones. A lot of your cases were based off of stuff YOU KNEW because you had EXPERIENCE. If any newbie were to argue that they're just signing a death warrant, because it's likely they're going to lose the battle. You used this advantage to pin Rodion as scum, when really it's just the difference in experience.

Like I said in the part you did not quote. I did not vote him for that reason alone. I questioned him like I would anybody else who made the move he did. His defense was horrible and scummy so I eventually ended up voting him. I also believe I said that rodion is fairly well researched for a new player and seemed from what I have seen to have a decent understanding of the importance of claims partial and full.

[Rodion]

So you're saying that the guy who made a horrible defense is not an easy lynch? You love having it both ways, don't you?

[safariguy5]

So you're saying that the guy who made a horrible defense is not an easy lynch? You love having it both ways, don't you?

You're shortchanging yourself there. The defense wasn't horrible, but the way you went and OMGUSed everyone who disagreed with you definitely appeared scummy. Parts of your defense were confrontational, and I think that drew the heat more than the entire defense being poor as you're stating.

[Rodion]

So you're saying that the guy who made a horrible defense is not an easy lynch? You love having it both ways, don't you?

You're shortchanging yourself there. The defense wasn't horrible, but the way you went and OMGUSed everyone who disagreed with you definitely appeared scummy. Parts of your defense were confrontational, and I think that drew the heat more than the entire defense being poor as you're stating.

From the post right above mine.

His defense was horrible and scummy so I eventually ended up voting him.

I didn't state anything, I'm just using Strike's words to show he will argue something and then spin 180º if needed to make someone (me) look bad.

[strike wolf]

I stick by what I said. First off, I said as much based on what my feelings would have been when coming into the lynch. If I was someone looking to pick up on an easy lynch than I would not have wanted to start one with someone who will defend themselves very strongly. Secondly your defense left a lot to be desired but it was spirited just like it was in the Terminator mafia. That spirited defense there was able to sway some votes but there were holes in it. Same thing here you put up a defense that to me was horrible and left holes and illustrated some scummy behavior and because of it, quite a few people seem to have bought into it. It is not an easy lynch.

[targetman377]

so now its turned into who do you believe more rodin or strike? and vote the other. OH brother.

[Rodion]

I stick by what I said. First off, I said as much based on what my feelings would have been when coming into the lynch. If I was someone looking to pick up on an easy lynch than I would not have wanted to start one with someone who will defend themselves very strongly. Secondly your defense left a lot to be desired but it was spirited just like it was in the Terminator mafia. That spirited defense there was able to sway some votes but there were holes in it. Same thing here you put up a defense that to me was horrible and left holes and illustrated some scummy behavior and because of it, quite a few people seem to have bought into it. It is not an easy lynch.

So now you're basically (not so) subtly OMGUSing a crapton of people, as you're saying they were unable to see through a horrible defense that had holes in it.

Hey, guys, after the game is over please proceed to the reception desk and say your name: Strike will be there giving some of you a certificate of mental retardation.

And holes? I don't think there are any: the only things you have against me is the Gimli question and the mass-OMGUS, but those are not holes as far as I understand the definition of a hole.

[Rodion]

EBWOP, adding red highlights.

I stick by what I said. First off, I said as much based on what my feelings would have been when coming into the lynch. If I was someone looking to pick up on an easy lynch than I would not have wanted to start one with someone who will defend themselves very strongly. Secondly your defense left a lot to be desired but it was spirited just like it was in the Terminator mafia. That spirited defense there was able to sway some votes but there were holes in it. Same thing here you put up a defense that to me was horrible and left holes and illustrated some scummy behavior and because of it, quite a few people seem to have bought into it. It is not an easy lynch.

[strike wolf]

I stick by what I said. First off, I said as much based on what my feelings would have been when coming into the lynch. If I was someone looking to pick up on an easy lynch than I would not have wanted to start one with someone who will defend themselves very strongly. Secondly your defense left a lot to be desired but it was spirited just like it was in the Terminator mafia. That spirited defense there was able to sway some votes but there were holes in it. Same thing here you put up a defense that to me was horrible and left holes and illustrated some scummy behavior and because of it, quite a few people seem to have bought into it. It is not an easy lynch.

So now you're basically (not so) subtly OMGUSing a crapton of people, as you're saying they were unable to see through a horrible defense that had holes in it.

first of all stop playing dumb you aren't very good at it. That's an obvious ocasion where I simply failed to edit properly, if you actually read my post I am saying that people bought into it because it was spirited. I would have to idiot to even suggest it was due to it being horrible...secondly way to (very un)subtly put words in my mouth. I never made any suggestion that even one person defending you was scum. After all what would be the point in that? If you are somehow telling the truth about being masoned with someone why draw attention to someone who could be your mason buddy?

And holes? I don't think there are any: the only things you have against me is the Gimli question and the mass-OMGUS, but those are not holes as far as I understand the definition of a hole.

. Where you suggest that scum wouldn't care about names because they know in part who is "good" based on them knowing who they are allied with. I showed how that could be untrue based on the possibility of the existance of other scum groups and pointed out that scum very likely have a better idea about the theme than town. Others have pointed out how it can help scum formulate fake claims. Some of these points I believe you never even bothered to adress.

[Rodion]

I stick by what I said. First off, I said as much based on what my feelings would have been when coming into the lynch. If I was someone looking to pick up on an easy lynch than I would not have wanted to start one with someone who will defend themselves very strongly. Secondly your defense left a lot to be desired but it was spirited just like it was in the Terminator mafia. That spirited defense there was able to sway some votes but there were holes in it. Same thing here you put up a defense that to me was horrible and left holes and illustrated some scummy behavior and because of it, quite a few people seem to have bought into it. It is not an easy lynch.

So now you're basically (not so) subtly OMGUSing a crapton of people, as you're saying they were unable to see through a horrible defense that had holes in it.

first of all stop playing dumb you aren't very good at it. That's an obvious ocasion where I simply failed to edit properly, if you actually read my post I am saying that people bought into it because it was spirited. I would have to idiot to even suggest it was due to it being horrible...secondly way to (very un)subtly put words in my mouth.

I understood it perfectly and I'm not playing dumb. You didn't say they bought into it because it was horrible. You said that they bought into it because it was spirited, DESPITE it being horrible.

How is that not a (not so) subtle insult/OMGUS? You basically said that quite a few people will be fooled by a horrible defense as long as it is done with conviction.

I never made any suggestion that even one person defending you was scum. After all what would be the point in that? If you are somehow telling the truth about being masoned with someone why draw attention to someone who could be your mason buddy?

Yes, you didn't. But is that a defense against something I said or just more random babbling from you? Because I've NEVER said you accused of being scum people that defended me, so please don't put words in my mouth and stop defending yourself from inexistent attacks.

And holes? I don't think there are any: the only things you have against me is the Gimli question and the mass-OMGUS, but those are not holes as far as I understand the definition of a hole.

. Where you suggest that scum wouldn't care about names because they know in part who is "good" based on them knowing who they are allied with. I showed how that could be untrue based on the possibility of the existance of other scum groups and pointed out that scum very likely have a better idea about the theme than town. Others have pointed out how it can help scum formulate fake claims. Some of these points I believe you never even bothered to adress.

I thought we were over that already? I said "in part", and that was just one line of an extensive argument, not to be confused with the whole argument. If I recall correctly, you showed that a nameclaim could help scum (and I showed how it could help town): in the end, your opinion was the risk didn't compensate the reward, but that's just your opinion. You can't consider that a "hole" unless you want to back it up with in-depth maths, just a different strategical approach.

[strike wolf]

Before I even answer that part of your argument...I really want to know. Have you read the rules and terms of mafia thread?

[safariguy5]

Oh man, this just won't stop. I don't know if we want to "test" Rodion's claim, but at this point, it seems like the only possible lynch we're going to get out of today.

[targetman377]

OK BOTH YOU AND RODIN NEED TO STOP!!!! we both herd your points NOW LETS MOVE ON!!! OK and vote safia lol

[Rodion]

Before I even answer that part of your argument...I really want to know. Have you read the rules and terms of mafia thread?

Yes.

OMGUS stands for "Oh, my God! You suck!"

As far as I understand, it means you're surprised at how someone can be so off about something, one of the possibilities being that they can only be so clueless due to being scum (another possibility being that they indeed do suck).

Oh man, this just won't stop. I don't know if we want to "test" Rodion's claim, but at this point, it seems like the only possible lynch we're going to get out of today.

Unfortunately. Mostly due to inactivity. That and the fact that our most famous "inactive hunter" (you ) has been suspected for pressuring inactives and consequently was kind of forced to stop doing it.

We still have some time, though, if people want to stop by.

[edocsil]

Before I even answer that part of your argument...I really want to know. Have you read the rules and terms of mafia thread?

Yes.

OMGUS stands for "Oh, my God! You suck!"

As far as I understand, it means you're surprised at how someone can be so off about something, one of the possibilities being that they can only be so clueless due to being scum (another possibility being that they indeed do suck).

Oh man, this just won't stop. I don't know if we want to "test" Rodion's claim, but at this point, it seems like the only possible lynch we're going to get out of today.

Unfortunately. Mostly due to inactivity. That and the fact that our most famous "inactive hunter" (you ) has been suspected for pressuring inactives and consequently was kind of forced to stop doing it.

We still have some time, though, if people want to stop by.

OMGUS does stand for "Oh, my God! You suck!", but it is reference to voting for those who have voted you, not any relation to their ability.

[Rodion]

Is it really THAT limited?

Well, with that meaning being considered I'm forced to withdraw part of my latest accusations on Wolf. Actually, it's easily ammended.

You can substitute OMGUS for "insult" and everything I said still stands.

[Commander9]

Vote Count

safariguy5 (2) - ndrs, target
freezie (1) - Yoshi
pancakemix
Streaker
ndrs
Edocsil
vioiet (1) - Edoc
targetman377
TheSaxlad
naxus
Iliad
DoomYoshi
gimli
Rodion (7) - Streaker, gimli, Strike Wolf, PCM, Iliad, naxus, blake L-5
blakebowling
jeraado
sheepofdumb
ShaggyDan
nagerous
Strike Wolf (1) - got tonkaed,
Fircoal
Bleed_Green (1) - rodion
Namliam

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Deadline on May 5th.

Yoshi's vote didn't count since there was no unvote.