Office Behavior

[bedub1]

Do you work in an office? Do you have any horror stories?

[shieldgenerator7]

No, I don't work in an office... I like to work out in the field. One time I was on a job and my lunch was giving me a hard way to go. I tried to hold it, but when i realized it was coming out when it wanted and there was no stopping it, I hopped in the truck and tried to sprint towards the nearest restroom, but unfortunately I didn't make it, and had to clean up when I got home. I don't remember from whenst it came, but I'm still staying away from mcDonald's

[bedub1]

oh, and no cooking shit that smells like dead babies. Rotten fish are not appropriate for the office. Leave your fowl smelling cow dung at home.

[thegreekdog]

I work with a number of younger people, including ladies in their early to mid twenties. Some of these women wear clothing that is quite revealing. While I can appreciate revealing clothing it is extremely distracting at work. It's a battle I fight with myself - am I happy or angry about this situation.

[bedub1]

I work with a number of younger people, including ladies in their early to mid twenties. Some of these women wear clothing that is quite revealing. While I can appreciate revealing clothing it is extremely distracting at work. It's a battle I fight with myself - am I happy or angry about this situation.

I enjoying looking at women...so it's good. But it is distracting.

Also, don't stand behind me and have a conversation. I might back my chair up quite rapidly and smack you hard. Don't stand around me actually and have a conversation with somebody else. Go to a conference room or your own damn office. I'm trying to work here. I mean write this thread about how much I hate you and your actions.

[jimboston]

The heat / air-conditioning situation annoys me.

I am a big man... 6ft 2in and over 250lbs.
(well over actually)

It annoys me when people who are "chilly" crank up the heat.
These are typically... though not always... skinny women.

I understand they are chilly... but no one makes them wear sleeveless dresses/blouses... no one forces them to wear skirts. If they are chilly there is nothing preventing them from putting on a sweater.

Conversely, I am forced by dress code to wear a long sleeve shirt and a tie and pants. If I am hot I cannot strip down and wear a kilt... nor would anyone want me too!

[thegreekdog]

Another gender-specific item that annoys me. I'm required to wear a collared shirt, slacks, and dress shoes (not sneakers, not sandals). That's fine.

Women, on the other hand, have no such requirements. Women I work with wear shirts without collars, sleeveless shirts, "stretchy" pants (hardly dress pants), and sandals.

I told one of the partners that if I ever left the firm on my last day of work I would wear a sleeveless wife-beater t-shirt, black sweatpants and sandals.

[MeDeFe]

The heat / air-conditioning situation annoys me.

I am a big man... 6ft 2in and over 250lbs.
(well over actually)

It annoys me when people who are "chilly" crank up the heat.
These are typically... though not always... skinny women.

I understand they are chilly... but no one makes them wear sleeveless dresses/blouses... no one forces them to wear skirts. If they are chilly there is nothing preventing them from putting on a sweater.

Conversely, I am forced by dress code to wear a long sleeve shirt and a tie and pants. If I am hot I cannot strip down and wear a kilt... nor would anyone want me too!

I'd allow you to wear a kilt, but only if you didn't have any underwear.

[radiojake]

Bedub has had some angry juice today

People getting in his way when trying to get off the elevator, other people bringing rotten fish smelling lunch to work - It's enough to send one crazy enough to _______ someone

[radiojake]

As for my own work 'horror' stories, I work at a medical clinic on reception.

Luckily I am only there once a week on fridays as the rest of the week I am at Uni.

I hate the job so much, there are two (relativily) new girls who I seem to have to work with each friday who are fucking awful. Their attitude is disgusting - People who are coming to the Dr's are generally sick, so you don't want to be greeted with a vulgar, teenage girl with an attitude problem who lounges on her chair like an overweight walrus. (she isn't overweight, but her posture in the chair is so bad that she then looks it)

It's at the point where I would rather be on the desk by myself, and being run off my feet than having to sit next to these two girls who spend more time on their mobile phones then the reception phone and listen to the horrible crap that comes out of their mouth.

I would say something to the manager, except;
1) I don't care about the place enough, one day a week is somehow bareable, and
2) The girl who is the worst (the walrus) is actually the manager's daughter's best friend. You can't fight nepitism.

[PLAYER57832]

I work with a number of younger people, including ladies in their early to mid twenties. Some of these women wear clothing that is quite revealing. While I can appreciate revealing clothing it is extremely distracting at work. It's a battle I fight with myself - am I happy or angry about this situation.

and it highlights both the irony/problem with discrimination/harassment, etc.

These women are harming themselves and other women, men by continuing with the idea that a woman = a "pretty face". These women know full well that dress is a matter of competition, even a "weapong", if you will. They will outcompete someone like myself on many fronts, just because of how they look. Part of it is dress, but only part. A woman with a C cup or higher is more likely to get a job, not just to get dates.

In some offices, there is a kind of line between the "secretary/receptionist" group and the "professional" type group, but if anything, that might be a tad worse.

And..the other part. Some women dress like that because they want a "certain kind" of attention. They encourage it, and continue the perception that this is OK behavior for an office. Then one comes along who doesn't appreciate it (for whatever reason), though they may "look" the same (because they want a JOB.. and know that part of that means dressing "as expected) .. and men are somewhat justifiably baffled when they don't get a positive reaction in that situation.

Men have to deal with stereotypes as well. A good-looking "jock" type will do better in many jobs, just inherently. However, no man has to deal with anything like what women navigate every single day... even in today's "modern"/more "gender nuetral" world.


I can already see this might spin way off topic, so I guess if anyone wants to continue... in another thread?

[PLAYER57832]

The heat / air-conditioning situation annoys me.

I am a big man... 6ft 2in and over 250lbs.
(well over actually)

It annoys me when people who are "chilly" crank up the heat.
These are typically... though not always... skinny women.

I understand they are chilly... but no one makes them wear sleeveless dresses/blouses... no one forces them to wear skirts. If they are chilly there is nothing preventing them from putting on a sweater.

Conversely, I am forced by dress code to wear a long sleeve shirt and a tie and pants. If I am hot I cannot strip down and wear a kilt... nor would anyone want me too!

I agree whole-heartedly, but I see it as a respect/no respect issue, and energeny conservation issue, not a gender issue. Some people think the world should be suited to them, regardless of others. In any office you will find many who prefer it colder and several who want it warm.. plus offices just vary (I don't know why it is, but often secretary/receptionist desks are situated right under vents). Any office furnace should be set no higher than 65 degrees (60 is better)... anyone uncomfortable can wear a sweater.

[Baron Von PWN]

Another gender-specific item that annoys me. I'm required to wear a collared shirt, slacks, and dress shoes (not sneakers, not sandals). That's fine.

Women, on the other hand, have no such requirements. Women I work with wear shirts without collars, sleeveless shirts, "stretchy" pants (hardly dress pants), and sandals.

I told one of the partners that if I ever left the firm on my last day of work I would wear a sleeveless wife-beater t-shirt, black sweatpants and sandals.

I actualy know a guy who made a gender equality complaint at his office about this very thing so he could wear shorts. He ended up winning. Granted he was working in some NGO dedicated to gender equality so probably had the best chances of winning that one.

[knapper]

i'm a guy and have to wear a tie to work and hate it, but i gotta say that in general women have it much harder when it comes to dressing for work, and dressing in general.

and all in all, i love it when women wear revealing outfits to work. doesn't affect my poor productivity at all, happy to say.

three and a half more hours until the tilted kilt bar...i love their dress code...

[PLAYER57832]

As for my own work 'horror' stories, I work at a medical clinic on reception.

Luckily I am only there once a week on fridays as the rest of the week I am at Uni.

I hate the job so much, there are two (relativily) new girls who I seem to have to work with each friday who are fucking awful. Their attitude is disgusting - People who are coming to the Dr's are generally sick, so you don't want to be greeted with a vulgar, teenage girl with an attitude problem who lounges on her chair like an overweight walrus. (she isn't overweight, but her posture in the chair is so bad that she then looks it)

It's at the point where I would rather be on the desk by myself, and being run off my feet than having to sit next to these two girls who spend more time on their mobile phones then the reception phone and listen to the horrible crap that comes out of their mouth.

I would say something to the manager, except;
1) I don't care about the place enough, one day a week is somehow bareable, and
2) The girl who is the worst (the walrus) is actually the manager's daughter's best friend. You can't fight nepitism.

As much as I agree with your general comments, I must point out, given your many previous postings and statements regarding a generally non-sexist stance, that your statement is very sexist ... and, given your many other postings/comments surprisingly (even shockingly) hypocritical.

I mean, note not only the comment reference to weight, but the justification that you were not referring to weight. Also, I have to wonder if you would consider the words quite as offensive coming from a teenage boy.

.... and when even someone who obviously does pay attention to such things lapses ... it rather indicates part of why women, even today, have a tougher and different road than men.

On the other hand, is the question how much of that should change, how much is just natural recognition of male/female differences.

[radiojake]

As for my own work 'horror' stories, I work at a medical clinic on reception.

Luckily I am only there once a week on fridays as the rest of the week I am at Uni.

I hate the job so much, there are two (relativily) new girls who I seem to have to work with each friday who are fucking awful. Their attitude is disgusting - People who are coming to the Dr's are generally sick, so you don't want to be greeted with a vulgar, teenage girl with an attitude problem who lounges on her chair like an overweight walrus. (she isn't overweight, but her posture in the chair is so bad that she then looks it)

It's at the point where I would rather be on the desk by myself, and being run off my feet than having to sit next to these two girls who spend more time on their mobile phones then the reception phone and listen to the horrible crap that comes out of their mouth.

I would say something to the manager, except;
1) I don't care about the place enough, one day a week is somehow bareable, and
2) The girl who is the worst (the walrus) is actually the manager's daughter's best friend. You can't fight nepitism.

As much as I agree with your general comments, I must point out, given your many previous postings and statements regarding a generally non-sexist stance, that your statement is very sexist ... and, given your many other postings/comments surprisingly (even shockingly) hypocritical.

I mean, note not only the comment reference to weight, but the justification that you were not referring to weight. Also, I have to wonder if you would consider the words quite as offensive coming from a teenage boy.

.... and when even someone who obviously does pay attention to such things lapses ... it rather indicates part of why women, even today, have a tougher and different road than men.

On the other hand, is the question how much of that should change, how much is just natural recognition of male/female differences.

I don't accept that charge of my comment being sexist - She reminds me of a walrus because at times she lounges on her desk chair in such a way that exudes laziness and a general 'I don't give a shit' attitude. I don't expect one to be sitting with a perfectly straightened back, but atleast try to pretend that you want to be a work.

I can see how when I referred to her weight that it may have begun to imply sexism... but I only referred to her weight to say that she isn't overweight, and yet somehow she reminds me of a walrus. This isn't sexism - (Although, I could be charged with being 'Walrus-ist' or even 'Her name-ist' - It's true I don't like her, but it's nothing to do with her gender)

I don't find the crap she says behind the desk 'offensive' - but it's completely innappropriate to drop completely audible F-bombs in a work situation where there are sick patients within ear shot, and I have heard her greet patients with 'What?' - This is disgusting. I would have a problem if a teenage boy was talking like this also. It scares me that she is only 18 (or 19?) and already has this attitude - I would have been too scared to act in such a way when I was that age in fear of disrespect.

I don't doubt that women do have to face different obstacles and a system entreched with patriarchy, but I am (probably hyper-) aware of this - I'm not perfect with my gender relations, but I will close by again re-interrating that I do not accept the charge that my 'rant' was anyway sexist.

[PLAYER57832]

I'm not perfect with my gender relations, but I will close by again re-interrating that I do not accept the charge that my 'rant' was anyway sexist.

Fair enough, perfection is not expected. As much as anything, I have pointed out such to others and did not want to be hypocritical by ignoring your post. But, all things said, it was a borderline issue. Even so...
I am probably sensitive in a different way, having been the recipient of a lot of sexism.

[radiojake]

I'm not perfect with my gender relations, but I will close by again re-interrating that I do not accept the charge that my 'rant' was anyway sexist.

Fair enough, perfection is not expected. As much as anything, I have pointed out such to others and did not want to be hypocritical by ignoring your post. But, all things said, it was a borderline issue. Even so...
I am probably sensitive in a different way, having been the recipient of a lot of sexism.

I understand - In retrospect, likening her to a walrus isn't exactly one of my finest moments