[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[ndrs]

here's a quick list of the people who haven't posted for the last 6 pages, approximatly 72 IRL hours:

My last post was ignored by Safari:

So you're basing your case on me on flavor speculation about what the Knights Templar are? Sounds like a thinly veiled OMGUS to me. Fos ndrs

No, I was only proving that the Templars very well could be anti-Town. I'm not sure if they are or not, but given that we don't know, I wanted to point out that you acted scummy when you said:

Although I'm not 100% sure what the alignments are, I'm pretty sure the Knights Templar are town.

And the case on you was more than that. It was also about vote hopping, fluffing, and trying for easy targets (Namlaim, me), avoiding real cases, etc. It is not a very solid case, I will give you that, but all the small things about you stacks up pretty good.

You say that you're not a Knight, it could still be that you are Templar monk or some other Templar associate? Or just plain scum.

That said, if no one else finds this case legit, I'll just let it rest for now and look for other leads.

The Rodion case and the discussions surrounding it (or them) doesn't interest me much beyond the first couple of posts, and I definitely don't feel a need to add to it.

[Commander9]

Got tonkaed is replacing Sheep of Dumb.

[nagerous]

here's a quick list of the people who haven't posted for the last 6 pages, approximatly 72 IRL hours:

pancakemix
ndrs
vioiet
naxus
Iliad
DoomYoshi
karelpietertje
blakebowling
jeraado
sheepofdumb
nagerous
Campin_Killer Fircoal
Namliam



We'll never reach a majority if more than half the players don't bother..

And for me to go back and noted all the inactives, it means alot....First time I do it I beleive XD

Nag said he would be busy this week so I suspect he should be back Friday or Saturday, commander has already said nam won't be replaced (prod if possible), the rest you are right (I have not checked myself on all of them). Vio has been on several times and beyond rodion I still very much have an interest in her and will regard this retreat as further evidence of the case I have already made.

Beyond that I believe sheep has been gone the longest and has already been prodded so I believe he is due for replacement.

Thanks Strike. I have had the craziest week of exams and only got 2 hours sleep last night due to revision cramming so I doubt I'm going to be in a state enough to re-read and post but hopefully I can catch up with all my games tomorrow.

[DoomYoshi]

Phew... I made it! Anyway, the case on Rodion is bologna I think. When I read 14th Century French Person, I also thought: Joan of Arc?... All Rodion did was articulate exactly what others were thinking. Also:

@Rodion: Just because something is convoluted does not mean I don't understand the argument.

@Saf: You claim that Com9 has a history of using various colours to represent different factions, but why would he use the colour which is usually meant for cult/anti-town third party?

[safariguy5]

Phew... I made it! Anyway, the case on Rodion is bologna I think. When I read 14th Century French Person, I also thought: Joan of Arc?... All Rodion did was articulate exactly what others were thinking. Also:

@Rodion: Just because something is convoluted does not mean I don't understand the argument.

@Saf: You claim that Com9 has a history of using various colours to represent different factions, but why would he use the colour which is usually meant for cult/anti-town third party?

The cult/ anti third party color is Orange not that funky looking greenish color. I can't believe I'm repeating Knox here, but I would caution against metagaming colors into alignments here. On different sites, the customs are different, and we could just as easily have different colors represent town and mafia (maybe yellow and brown?).

As for the ndrs case, again, besides quoting my spec on Knights Templar, which I see no compelling evidence that they are cult as of yet from night evidence (no recruitment, no NK's), I'm treating them as a third party faction at worst, but no harm to town unless something changes.

But unless you quote some posts where I was posting fluff, I cannot respond to that. As for bandwagonning, I don't really think being the first ballot on someone constitutes bandwagonning as you're the one making the accusation. Submarine hunter sure, but as freezie just illustrated, we do have a lot of them and getting them more active is necessary if we want to push a lynch.

[DoomYoshi]

Yes the colour is clearly different. It looked orange to me at first, but I just looked again. Why is that you are pretty sure they are town?

Is this due to colour metagaming?

[got tonkaed]

confirm.

will read and catch up as soon as I can.

[Bleed_Green]

Godfrey de Saint-Omer had just finished writing his mail towards his family... It was a goodbye letter. "It was not easy... But I am fully committed to the cause.. The Grand Master of the Knights Templar fully trusts me and I have to repay his faith. We are here to help cleanse the world from evil and I shall not fail!" Godfrey put down his feather and leaned back on his chair... When he heard a blade coming right down on him. Just as it was about to slash his throat, Henry Chevalier pushed him out of his chair.
"Run, my Sire. I'll hold him off!"
Godfrey didn't wait a minute and broke off the door, but this time he did not lose his awareness... But a shadow was still right behind him... Waiting...
Henry Chevalier was exstatic that he just saved his Knights Templar Seneschal and even he survived. Right with that thought a bolt from a crossbow went straight through his neck and came out behind the wall. Henry, drowning in his blood, thought that at least he did something meaningful today.

Army of God, Henry Chevalier - Monk of Knights Templar, has been killed on Night 1.


Godfrey has survived today to fight for another day... For those delicious snacks at the Knights Templar cafeteria.

The whole scene was observed by Henry's brother, Jacques. He could not believe what he just seen... "My brother... You sacrificed everything for the Order and look where you ended up... Oh WHY!!!" He just held his head down, crying for hours. During that time, a shadowy figure appeared not far away from him... And it had a plan...

The figure apparently lost it's concentration as well and was nearly slayed, but it's in-humanly fast reflexes helped it survive and run away. The whole scene caused a lot of commotion in the town and God knows what else went on during this time. Day 2 begin. No deadline as of yet.

I think what he is referring to the first item I have bold, about cleansing the world of evil. 2nd bold is just the introduction of shadow character. And the 3rd is something that I had originally missed about the shadow figure almost get killed that evening as well.

[pancakemix]

I'm reading along but I cannot decide where I stand.

Because I hate to disappoint.

Anywho, the matter at hand: I would find Rodion more suspicious if he had coerced gimli into posting the information that he did post. He did ask for more, and that is scummy. The way he has defended his cases is scummy by virtue of FOSing everyone within a 5-mile radius.

However, gimli offered his information of his own recognizance posted that information of his own recognizance and so on that point, I think Rodion is not at fault. Despite that, the debate which has been raging on so quaintly for the past few days has not produced very much at all to the point where I believe it is a smokescreen hiding his true intentions, whatever those might be.

Vote Rodion for now unless something better comes up, though I doubt it will. I don't 100% believe he's scum, but that's the direction I'm leaning.

[freezie]

I think what he is referring to the first item I have bold, about cleansing the world of evil. 2nd bold is just the introduction of shadow character. And the 3rd is something that I had originally missed about the shadow figure almost get killed that evening as well.

I could point a dozen IRL factions that ''wants to cleanse the world from evil'' that are without a single shadow of a doubt nothing more than brutal murderers. KKK is ( sadly ) a very good exemple of this.

So unless someone has strong evidence, we don't know the allignement of the templars. And right now we don't need someone to come forth and claim templar and says they are harmless.

[safariguy5]

I think what he is referring to the first item I have bold, about cleansing the world of evil. 2nd bold is just the introduction of shadow character. And the 3rd is something that I had originally missed about the shadow figure almost get killed that evening as well.

I could point a dozen IRL factions that ''wants to cleanse the world from evil'' that are without a single shadow of a doubt nothing more than brutal murderers. KKK is ( sadly ) a very good exemple of this.

So unless someone has strong evidence, we don't know the allignement of the templars. And right now we don't need someone to come forth and claim templar and says they are harmless.

By that token then, you (and I don't mean you freezie) can't make a case on me for believing Knights Templar to not be town. My basis for them to be some sort of town or third party faction is that as I have said several times, no recruitment and no NK that can be attributed to them. Of course I'm not 100% sure, but the people making a case on me for that have even less justification for thinking the Knights Templar are mafia.

[freezie]

I think what he is referring to the first item I have bold, about cleansing the world of evil. 2nd bold is just the introduction of shadow character. And the 3rd is something that I had originally missed about the shadow figure almost get killed that evening as well.

I could point a dozen IRL factions that ''wants to cleanse the world from evil'' that are without a single shadow of a doubt nothing more than brutal murderers. KKK is ( sadly ) a very good exemple of this.

So unless someone has strong evidence, we don't know the allignement of the templars. And right now we don't need someone to come forth and claim templar and says they are harmless.

By that token then, you (and I don't mean you freezie) can't make a case on me for believing Knights Templar to not be town. My basis for them to be some sort of town or third party faction is that as I have said several times, no recruitment and no NK that can be attributed to them. Of course I'm not 100% sure, but the people making a case on me for that have even less justification for thinking the Knights Templar are mafia.

I know you said you didn't mean me..but my case on you was a whole other matter

[ndrs]

I think what he is referring to the first item I have bold, about cleansing the world of evil. 2nd bold is just the introduction of shadow character. And the 3rd is something that I had originally missed about the shadow figure almost get killed that evening as well.

I could point a dozen IRL factions that ''wants to cleanse the world from evil'' that are without a single shadow of a doubt nothing more than brutal murderers. KKK is ( sadly ) a very good exemple of this.

So unless someone has strong evidence, we don't know the allignement of the templars. And right now we don't need someone to come forth and claim templar and says they are harmless.

By that token then, you (and I don't mean you freezie) can't make a case on me for believing Knights Templar to not be town. My basis for them to be some sort of town or third party faction is that as I have said several times, no recruitment and no NK that can be attributed to them. Of course I'm not 100% sure, but the people making a case on me for that have even less justification for thinking the Knights Templar are mafia.

And once again: the case on you wasn't only about you defending the Templars, it was the small things here and there (both me and freez wrote several posts on that).

On another note. As much as I hate to miss out on a good ol' lynching, I'm leaving for a roadtrip today and I won't have access until late wednesday. Have fun!

[targetman377]

How is that your speculating about the theme of the game seen as scum? I mean It is unknown we all don't know. but if we make a wrong specultion its seems too be taken as scummy. I just think this is weird

@ safari I am not voting for you for the knights Templar. I just feel that you have been going for easy lynch and switching your votes.

I still think the best case is on you!

[safariguy5]

How is that your speculating about the theme of the game seen as scum? I mean It is unknown we all don't know. but if we make a wrong specultion its seems too be taken as scummy. I just think this is weird

@ safari I am not voting for you for the knights Templar. I just feel that you have been going for easy lynch and switching your votes.

I still think the best case is on you!

You're free to believe whatever the best case is, but I hardly think that I've been going to for the easy lynches. I wasn't the only one who thought nam not dying was odd, and I also prodded ndrs to get active which he has. We have a problem with submariners, the intent was never to lynch him.

You're free to pursue the case, but I think it's weak and you're not likely to get much support for it.

[Iliad]

Sorry for not posting more, school caught up hard.

Having read the argumetn between strike and rodion, I would agree with strike. Rodion has been rolefishing this entire day. When I first read Rodion's request for a name claim I had assumed he had some kind of flavour speculation investigation and would've forced bleed to either be caught in a lie or somehow admit the scummy flavour. However he was only basing his case on a bit of flavour speculation by bleed, and to boot was being very agressive at anyone who questioned Rodion's intentions or logic.

Vote Rodion

[Rodion]

would've forced bleed to either be caught in a lie or somehow admit the scummy flavour.

So, Iliad, now you're disputing the fact that I got an admission? Bleed admitted, but he chose to call it an "honest mistake derived from inexperience" rather than saying "ok, I'm scum, you got me".

IFOS™ Iliad. Yes, that's the invisible finger of suspicion, as visible fingers of suspicion are making people suspect me even more!

[gimli1990]

i have not posted in 2 and 1/2 pages so i thought i better say something.

i think the activity is slowing down some i think it might be time for a deadline to be into place just my opinion.

and i think there are a lot psople that need to get active in here soon.

[Iliad]

would've forced bleed to either be caught in a lie or somehow admit the scummy flavour.

So, Iliad, now you're disputing the fact that I got an admission? Bleed admitted, but he chose to call it an "honest mistake derived from inexperience" rather than saying "ok, I'm scum, you got me".

IFOS™ Iliad. Yes, that's the invisible finger of suspicion, as visible fingers of suspicion are making people suspect me even more!

Not an admission of guilt, nor anything that conclusively points to guilt. Sure he isn't a Shakespearean character, but considering his name claim it isn't too hard to see why he thought that the game might have a Shakespearen theme.

You really had no grounds to demand a name claim, except some very shaky flavour speculation, and form the beginning you attacked everyone who disagreed with you. The way you have been rolefishing as well as omgus half the players this day, does not strike me as town.

Cult goon trying to clear a path, maybe. But not town.

[Rodion]

Not an admission of guilt, nor anything that conclusively points to guilt. Sure he isn't a Shakespearean character, but considering his name claim it isn't too hard to see why he thought that the game might have a Shakespearen theme.

Because if you're Dante Alighieri (italian writer) you're totally expected to think the game might have a Shakespearean theme? Can you please make some sense out of that before I get even more scummy for OMGUSing you?

[safariguy5]

Not an admission of guilt, nor anything that conclusively points to guilt. Sure he isn't a Shakespearean character, but considering his name claim it isn't too hard to see why he thought that the game might have a Shakespearen theme.

Because if you're Dante Alighieri (italian writer) you're totally expected to think the game might have a Shakespearean theme? Can you please make some sense out of that before I get even more scummy for OMGUSing you?

But what exactly does that have to do with being mafia? You're saying that if he had claimed a shakespeare character, then he would have been innocent, but on the flip side, if he doesn't he's automatically scummy? That's not necessarily scummy, there's no logical opposite that would automatically make him mafia. It's definitely noteworthy, and noted by me, but not an indictment of guilt in and solely by itself.

[edocsil]

I think what he is referring to the first item I have bold, about cleansing the world of evil. 2nd bold is just the introduction of shadow character. And the 3rd is something that I had originally missed about the shadow figure almost get killed that evening as well.

I could point a dozen IRL factions that ''wants to cleanse the world from evil'' that are without a single shadow of a doubt nothing more than brutal murderers. KKK is ( sadly ) a very good exemple of this.

So unless someone has strong evidence, we don't know the allignement of the templars. And right now we don't need someone to come forth and claim templar and says they are harmless.

By that token then, you (and I don't mean you freezie) can't make a case on me for believing Knights Templar to not be town. My basis for them to be some sort of town or third party faction is that as I have said several times, no recruitment and no NK that can be attributed to them. Of course I'm not 100% sure, but the people making a case on me for that have even less justification for thinking the Knights Templar are mafia.

They are not town, I am town and I am not Templar and my name isn't green. My gut however states that Templars are not enemies. Can we please go back to making cases? I don't even think I got a response to mine a few days ago, it was buried under flavor spam.

[Rodion]

Not an admission of guilt, nor anything that conclusively points to guilt. Sure he isn't a Shakespearean character, but considering his name claim it isn't too hard to see why he thought that the game might have a Shakespearen theme.

Because if you're Dante Alighieri (italian writer) you're totally expected to think the game might have a Shakespearean theme? Can you please make some sense out of that before I get even more scummy for OMGUSing you?

But what exactly does that have to do with being mafia? You're saying that if he had claimed a shakespeare character, then he would have been innocent, but on the flip side, if he doesn't he's automatically scummy? That's not necessarily scummy, there's no logical opposite that would automatically make him mafia. It's definitely noteworthy, and noted by me, but not an indictment of guilt in and solely by itself.

It showed a blatant attempt to misdirect, a lie if you will. Strike then said LAL is not always to be executed as lies can sometimes be pro-town, but while I did understand (limited) cases in which that could be true, it's a really shaky way of defending Bleed.

And I didn't say he would've been innocent had he claimed a shakespearean character. I said I'd have stopped suspecting him until he did something suspicious again. That's an important distinction.

[Iliad]

Not an admission of guilt, nor anything that conclusively points to guilt. Sure he isn't a Shakespearean character, but considering his name claim it isn't too hard to see why he thought that the game might have a Shakespearen theme.

Because if you're Dante Alighieri (italian writer) you're totally expected to think the game might have a Shakespearean theme? Can you please make some sense out of that before I get even more scummy for OMGUSing you?

You should've noticed that when he did claim he pointed out his character's connection to shakespeare, while not being a character in his plays still could plausibly be connected.

The thing is, bleed hasn't lied. He never claimed he was a character from Shakespeare's plays, he just couldn't see the connection between knight templars and Shakespeare, while he could see his character's connection to Shakespeare.

You however jumped on him and demanded a name claim, before it was confirmed that bleed could have lied.

[strike wolf]

Don't have much time right now but iliad does have a point. He did point out a connection to shakespeare and looking back at the post he said he didn't understand how romeo and juliet and the knights templar fit in.