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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby blakebowling on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:30 am

Valikil wrote:I decided to do a little investigating last night, I was in the Town hall when I heard a man greeted cordially, then some very strange noises, then gun shots. After that I heard a guy say "That guy sure as hell didn't pay me enough for this." he sang a pretty good tune, made some really strange noises! Wish I could have seen more, but I kinda fell asleep...well, it was late

Weren't 2 of the dead voting against you Blake? Haggis and Kernov

This doesn't look remotely like anything sully would write. valikil, do you know how to play mafia?

Also, yes, haggis and kernov were voting against me, but all three of the dead had mentioned their suspicions against kwanton, and firth was voting for him when the day ended.

I'm confident that if kwanton is not lynched, I will die tonight, along with numerous others.
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby kwanton on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:03 pm

Sorry couldn't post earlier. Had a lot of work these past couple days.

It's interesting that you can investigate during the day blake because I can only investigate at night. Last night I investigated you by the way and sully did NOT tell me your role name. The investigation came back as town-aligned day cop. This is similar to the report I got on safari. Sully told me he was a town aligned role-thief.

Bear with me while I do a little bit of meta-gaming here but I think I've figured out this whole multiple cop thing. IMO we do not have sane/insane copes. In sully's NV mafia #1 there were two cop roles, however neither had a normal cop investigation. One was an undercover cop and the other was cop on duty. Here is a link to the page with role explanations: viewtopic.php?f=213&t=129789&start=435 (page 30 if it doesnt work).

Basically the undercover cop was a watcher and the cop on duty investigated powers instead of roles. I'd also like to point out that in Sully's NV #1 there was no normal cop. I believe we have a similar setup this game. Normally all that is revealed in a cop investigation is alignment. Apparently we both get alignment, however, one of us gets the role name while the other gets the role power.

As for you having a day investigation and me having a night investigation, I think that is easily explained by our role. We are two halves of the sun god. The sun rises during the day and sets at night right? Why else would sully pick a role name of sun god which has nothing to do with investigations? The name Sun god has nothing to do with our investigations but has everything to do with when we can use our investigations.

One thing that is still up in the air is haggis' role but I have a theory for that too. I think haggis was in fact scum. There is only one role in mafia which shows up as a different role in its death scene and that is the death miller. I think that haggis was a sort of reverse miller; i.e. scum who shows up as town in a death scene and investigation. Why else would he show up as vanilla in a non-vanilla game? As for his role claim, I think that he may have another power similar to safari's. His second power was to probably copy the role of whatever power is used on him. Now that would give him two role powers, but Sully has done this before too. In his NV#1 there was a busdriver/copier (sorry for metagaming again, but it makes sense when you look at sully's other game).

I'm pretty confident that I'm right with this theory and here's why: Not only did haggis claim sun god as a cop which is blake's and my role, but he claimed it BEFORE either one of us did. This means that either he was telling the truth about him being the sun god or he somehow knew both blake's power AND role name before he claimed. I believe that the first option is doubtful because he came up as a vanilla townie (see my reverse miller theory). Thinking through this, a copier/thief role like safari's is the only thing that would make sense. Now you may ask why would scum push a lynch on town with a fake cop investigation. I actually think that would be the perfect scum strategy since he knew you would counterclaim. It was just lucky he was targeted by a cop role so town would think that there was two cops of varying sanity. That would effectively lynch a townie and give him a free pass for the rest of the game. What haggis didnt count on is the fact that there are already two cops lol.

Now obviously mafia wouldn't kill off one of their own so I'm guessing we owe that kill to a vig or JOAT (many people didn't trust haggis after he was counterclaimed so it makes sense). Now I realize that you may not want to out yourself but if the vig/JOAT did in fact target haggis last night for a kill that information would help us. After all a mafia with three kills in one night doesn't make sense balance-wise even if there wasnt a kill last night. It would just make it too easy for them to win.

There's probably more that I forgot but I'm very tired so for now /end long theorycrafting.
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby kwanton on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:07 pm

ABWOP: I knew I forgot something I wanted to say. This probably doesn't mean much but for what it's worth kernov did not ever voice any suspicion towards me unless I skimmed so correct me if I'm wrong. Firth did of course (multi-claim scenario I don't blame him lol) and haggis did (but my theory explains that if I am in fact correct.)
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby blakebowling on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:43 pm

Unvote

Since sully hasn't responded to my PM yet, I changed my investigation to kwanton. If it comes back sun god, with detailed information like Violet's did, then we know the role obscuration was related directly to haggis (most likely making him scum with a hidden role). However if it comes up obscured like Haggis' did, then haggis could have been a third sun god (sounds weird), kwanton could also be scum using the same role as me.

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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby blakebowling on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:43 pm

Nice try kwanton. I just got the investigation back from sully, kwanton is a mafia "sponge" basically he takes on the role of the person lynched during the day.
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby safariguy5 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:54 pm

Well ok, I guess kwan hasn't told us anything we didn't already reveal since I said I was the thief and blake said he was the town day cop. The theory that kwan put out is elegant, but I have a hard time believing that the sun god would also have powers at night. That should be the Moon Goddess or something. Since it's a tight deadline, we don't have a lot of time to waffle about a lynch target.

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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:16 pm

Well that's two investigators who said kwanton is mafia. Any theory put forth so far doesn't explain this. vote kwanton
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby kwanton on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:26 pm

uhhhhhhhhh....

FILIBUSTER!!

This is a letter I have planned on writing for some time, a letter that I feel is extremely important and one that decidedly must be heeded if we are to undo the damage caused by Blakebowling. Let's review the errors in Blakebowling's statements in order. First, Blakebowling skirts rules and regulations at every opportunity. From what I know of his pronouncements, he is saying essentially three things:

1He has a fearless dedication to reason and truth.
1.His goals are good for the environment, human rights, and baby seals.
2.We have no reason to be fearful about the criminally violent trends in our society today and over the past ten to fifteen years.
Obviously, all three of these are undeniably indecent.

It has long been obvious to attentive observers that there is not much demand for independent thinkers in Blakebowling's retinue. But did you know that I am fed up with his uninformed and grotesque behavior? He doesn't want you to know that because last summer, I attempted what I knew would be a hopeless task. I tried to convince Blakebowling that he has OD'd on charlatanism. As I expected, Blakebowling was unconvinced. I used to agree completely with those who claimed that "cold-blooded" is the least offensive adjective that accurately describes him. Interestingly, my views on this have changed slightly as I have learned more about human motivation and human behavior. Now I believe that Blakebowling either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. He even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to bring Maoism to this country in the name of anti-Maoism.

Unreasonable scoundrels thrive when the rest of us underestimate the threat they pose or are too weak or unorganized to hold the line. I wish I could put it more delicately, but that would miss the point. I have some of Blakebowling's writings in front of me right now. In one of them, Blakebowling maintains that he should be a given a direct pipeline to the National Treasury. If you don't find that shocking then consider that Blakebowling's stories about obstructionism are particularly ridden with errors and distortions, even leaving aside the concept's initial implausibility.

To leave us in the lurch is Blakebowling's objective, and warped, stinking teetotalism is his method. I would like to digress here. If we are going to speak objectively about Blakebowling's reports, we must understand that I fully intend to call for a return to the values that made this country great. That's the path that I have chosen. It's indisputably not an easy path, but then again, to say that Blakebowling is a bearer and agent of the Creator's purpose is disruptive nonsense and untrue to boot. I plan to inculcate in the reader an inquisitive spirit and a skepticism about beliefs that Blakebowling's foot soldiers take for granted. Are you with me—or against me? Whatever you decide, tactless wackos of one sort or another thrive on hatred rather than love. Think about it, and I'm sure you'll agree with me.

It will never be possible for me to erase from my memory the feelings of weighty sadness and disgust that overcame me when I first saw Blakebowling making a mockery of our most fundamentally held beliefs. The best I can do now is evaluate the tactics he has used against me. I won't lie to you; he refers to a variety of things using the word "disproportionableness". Translating this bit of jargon into English isn't easy. Basically, Blakebowling is saying that lying is morally justifiable as long as it's referred to as "strategic deception", which we all know is patently absurd. At any rate, he attracts sniveling ne'er-do-wells to his brownshirt brigade by telling them that we can all live together happily without laws, like the members of some 1960s-style dope-smoking commune. I suppose the people to whom he tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others. Whether or not that's the case, if Blakebowling manages to cheat on taxes, our nation will not endure as a civilization, as a geopolitical entity, or even as a society. Rather, it will exist only as a prison, a prison in which nasty, sullen lotharios turn our country into a debauched cesspool overrun with scum, disease, and crime.

I can reword my point as follows. The most troubling aspect of Blakebowling's personality is his intolerance of dissent. Blakebowling may have access to weapons of mass destruction. Then again, I consider him to be a weapon of mass destruction himself. Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that he really isn't going to peonize and enslave his opponents. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, over time, his insults have progressed from being merely prissy to being superprissy, hyperprissy, and recently ultraprissy. In fact, I'd say that now they're even megaprissy.

Blakebowling's intimations are evil. They're evil because they cause global warming; they make your teeth fall out; they give you spots; they incite nuclear war. And, as if that weren't enough, Blakebowling says that it is daft to question his taradiddles. Although Blakebowling indubitably cut that statement out of whole cloth, he believes that it is everyone's obligation to set the wolf to mind the sheep. That view is anathema to the cause of liberty. If it is not loudly refuted our future will be dire indeed. Like a lion after tasting the blood of human victims, Blakebowling will prevent us from recognizing the vast and incomparable achievements, contributions, and discoveries that are the product of our culture. He sees only one side of the issue. Sure, it sounds morally crippled. Blame that on maledicent sciolists.

It's unfortunate that Blakebowling has no real education. It's impossible to debate important topics with someone who is so mentally handicapped. I'll try not to dwell on this, but he claims that honesty and responsibility have no cash value and are therefore worthless. Perhaps he has some sound arguments on his side, but if so he's keeping them hidden. I'd say it's far more likely that most people don't realize that Blakebowling has already revealed his plans to rifle, pillage, plunder, and loot. He revealed these plans in a manifesto bearing all of the hallmarks of having been written by an audacious primate. Not only is his manifesto entirely lacking in logic, relentlessly subjective, and utterly anecdotal, but many people lie. However, Blakebowling lies with such ease it's troubling.

Blakebowling thinks that it is better that a hundred thousand people should perish than that he should be even slightly inconvenienced. However, adventurism is the driving force behind his antics. Even acknowledging his intrusive epithets is beneath my dignity, and I'm not making that up!

Let's conduct a Gedankenexperiment. Suppose we could create a hypothetical population free of impulsive schnorrers. Let's assume, furthermore, that Blakebowling were powerless to rob Peter to pay Paul. In this hypothetical situation, wouldn't we all be free to turn his brutal convictions to our advantage? Let's make this dream a reality. Let's get people to realize that if you've read any of the dangerous, dishonest slop that Blakebowling has concocted, you'll surely recall Blakebowling's description of his plan to sidetrack us so we can't bring the communion of knowledge to all of us. If you haven't read any of it, well, all you really need to know is that the foundations of our free society are under wide-ranging and powerful attack by Blakebowling's mischievous brethren. The mere mention of that fact guarantees that this letter will never get published in any mass-circulation periodical that Blakebowling has any control over. But that's inconsequential because no matter what else we do, our first move must be to educate everyone about how I will renew my resolve to stand uncompromised in a world that's on the brink of Blakebowling-induced disaster. That's the first step: education. Education alone is not enough, of course. We must also build a sane and healthy society free of Blakebowling's destructive influences. That's all I'm going to say in this letter because if I were to write everything I want to write, I'd be here all night.
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby Hank44Soccer on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:33 pm

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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby Valikil on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:40 pm

As much as I really wanted to vote blake, I guess now it must be Kwanton
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby Drabod on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:47 pm

[bVote Kwanton hammer time
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby safariguy5 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:23 pm

Valikil wrote:As much as I really wanted to vote blake, I guess now it must be Kwanton

don't forget the bold vote in front of it.
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby Hank44Soccer on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:03 pm

thats 5 bye bye Kwanton
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby safariguy5 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:37 pm

Hank44Soccer wrote:thats 5 bye bye Kwanton

safariguy5 wrote:
Valikil wrote:As much as I really wanted to vote blake, I guess now it must be Kwanton

don't forget the bold vote in front of it.
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby blakebowling on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:13 pm

kwanton wrote:uhhhhhhhhh....

FILIBUSTER!!

This is a letter I have planned on writing for some time, a letter that I feel is extremely important and one that decidedly must be heeded if we are to undo the damage caused by Blakebowling. Let's review the errors in Blakebowling's statements in order. First, Blakebowling skirts rules and regulations at every opportunity. From what I know of his pronouncements, he is saying essentially three things:

1He has a fearless dedication to reason and truth.
1.His goals are good for the environment, human rights, and baby seals.
2.We have no reason to be fearful about the criminally violent trends in our society today and over the past ten to fifteen years.
Obviously, all three of these are undeniably indecent.

It has long been obvious to attentive observers that there is not much demand for independent thinkers in Blakebowling's retinue. But did you know that I am fed up with his uninformed and grotesque behavior? He doesn't want you to know that because last summer, I attempted what I knew would be a hopeless task. I tried to convince Blakebowling that he has OD'd on charlatanism. As I expected, Blakebowling was unconvinced. I used to agree completely with those who claimed that "cold-blooded" is the least offensive adjective that accurately describes him. Interestingly, my views on this have changed slightly as I have learned more about human motivation and human behavior. Now I believe that Blakebowling either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. He even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to bring Maoism to this country in the name of anti-Maoism.

Unreasonable scoundrels thrive when the rest of us underestimate the threat they pose or are too weak or unorganized to hold the line. I wish I could put it more delicately, but that would miss the point. I have some of Blakebowling's writings in front of me right now. In one of them, Blakebowling maintains that he should be a given a direct pipeline to the National Treasury. If you don't find that shocking then consider that Blakebowling's stories about obstructionism are particularly ridden with errors and distortions, even leaving aside the concept's initial implausibility.

To leave us in the lurch is Blakebowling's objective, and warped, stinking teetotalism is his method. I would like to digress here. If we are going to speak objectively about Blakebowling's reports, we must understand that I fully intend to call for a return to the values that made this country great. That's the path that I have chosen. It's indisputably not an easy path, but then again, to say that Blakebowling is a bearer and agent of the Creator's purpose is disruptive nonsense and untrue to boot. I plan to inculcate in the reader an inquisitive spirit and a skepticism about beliefs that Blakebowling's foot soldiers take for granted. Are you with me—or against me? Whatever you decide, tactless wackos of one sort or another thrive on hatred rather than love. Think about it, and I'm sure you'll agree with me.

It will never be possible for me to erase from my memory the feelings of weighty sadness and disgust that overcame me when I first saw Blakebowling making a mockery of our most fundamentally held beliefs. The best I can do now is evaluate the tactics he has used against me. I won't lie to you; he refers to a variety of things using the word "disproportionableness". Translating this bit of jargon into English isn't easy. Basically, Blakebowling is saying that lying is morally justifiable as long as it's referred to as "strategic deception", which we all know is patently absurd. At any rate, he attracts sniveling ne'er-do-wells to his brownshirt brigade by telling them that we can all live together happily without laws, like the members of some 1960s-style dope-smoking commune. I suppose the people to whom he tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others. Whether or not that's the case, if Blakebowling manages to cheat on taxes, our nation will not endure as a civilization, as a geopolitical entity, or even as a society. Rather, it will exist only as a prison, a prison in which nasty, sullen lotharios turn our country into a debauched cesspool overrun with scum, disease, and crime.

I can reword my point as follows. The most troubling aspect of Blakebowling's personality is his intolerance of dissent. Blakebowling may have access to weapons of mass destruction. Then again, I consider him to be a weapon of mass destruction himself. Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that he really isn't going to peonize and enslave his opponents. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, over time, his insults have progressed from being merely prissy to being superprissy, hyperprissy, and recently ultraprissy. In fact, I'd say that now they're even megaprissy.

Blakebowling's intimations are evil. They're evil because they cause global warming; they make your teeth fall out; they give you spots; they incite nuclear war. And, as if that weren't enough, Blakebowling says that it is daft to question his taradiddles. Although Blakebowling indubitably cut that statement out of whole cloth, he believes that it is everyone's obligation to set the wolf to mind the sheep. That view is anathema to the cause of liberty. If it is not loudly refuted our future will be dire indeed. Like a lion after tasting the blood of human victims, Blakebowling will prevent us from recognizing the vast and incomparable achievements, contributions, and discoveries that are the product of our culture. He sees only one side of the issue. Sure, it sounds morally crippled. Blame that on maledicent sciolists.

It's unfortunate that Blakebowling has no real education. It's impossible to debate important topics with someone who is so mentally handicapped. I'll try not to dwell on this, but he claims that honesty and responsibility have no cash value and are therefore worthless. Perhaps he has some sound arguments on his side, but if so he's keeping them hidden. I'd say it's far more likely that most people don't realize that Blakebowling has already revealed his plans to rifle, pillage, plunder, and loot. He revealed these plans in a manifesto bearing all of the hallmarks of having been written by an audacious primate. Not only is his manifesto entirely lacking in logic, relentlessly subjective, and utterly anecdotal, but many people lie. However, Blakebowling lies with such ease it's troubling.

Blakebowling thinks that it is better that a hundred thousand people should perish than that he should be even slightly inconvenienced. However, adventurism is the driving force behind his antics. Even acknowledging his intrusive epithets is beneath my dignity, and I'm not making that up!

Let's conduct a Gedankenexperiment. Suppose we could create a hypothetical population free of impulsive schnorrers. Let's assume, furthermore, that Blakebowling were powerless to rob Peter to pay Paul. In this hypothetical situation, wouldn't we all be free to turn his brutal convictions to our advantage? Let's make this dream a reality. Let's get people to realize that if you've read any of the dangerous, dishonest slop that Blakebowling has concocted, you'll surely recall Blakebowling's description of his plan to sidetrack us so we can't bring the communion of knowledge to all of us. If you haven't read any of it, well, all you really need to know is that the foundations of our free society are under wide-ranging and powerful attack by Blakebowling's mischievous brethren. The mere mention of that fact guarantees that this letter will never get published in any mass-circulation periodical that Blakebowling has any control over. But that's inconsequential because no matter what else we do, our first move must be to educate everyone about how I will renew my resolve to stand uncompromised in a world that's on the brink of Blakebowling-induced disaster. That's the first step: education. Education alone is not enough, of course. We must also build a sane and healthy society free of Blakebowling's destructive influences. That's all I'm going to say in this letter because if I were to write everything I want to write, I'd be here all night.

What the f*ck kind of drugs is this guy on?

Also, I believe that is a lynch?
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby kwanton on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:14 am

lol. Courtesy of the scott pakin complaint letter generator.

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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby blakebowling on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:24 am

kwanton wrote:lol. Courtesy of the scott pakin complaint letter generator.

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Oh, I'm slightly embarrassed to admit I started reading it, and didn't realize it was a joke until the second paragraph. :oops:
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby Valikil on Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:22 am

safariguy5 wrote:
Valikil wrote:As much as I really wanted to vote blake, I guess now it must be Kwanton

don't forget the bold vote in front of it.


Opps, thanks

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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby blakebowling on Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:02 am

Valikil wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
Valikil wrote:As much as I really wanted to vote blake, I guess now it must be Kwanton

don't forget the bold vote in front of it.


Opps, thanks

Vote Kwanton

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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:42 am

Before the day ends Val I would like to know how much of what you typed earlier you made up? If all of it, that's fine I just want to know. If you were paraphrasing: good job - clearly your roleplaying is better than your mechanical playing.
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby Valikil on Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:32 pm

Indeed paraphrasing Doomyoshi, and thank you. This is the first time I have played anything like this on here, it's a bit slow getting to grips with it, sorry about that, but am understanding it gradually...
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby kwanton on Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:58 pm

Am I still alive? lol. For the record, I really thought you were a lyncher when you counterclaimed blake and that you'd go along with me today just to keep your butt from getting lynched tomorrow :P
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:01 pm

kwanton wrote:Am I still alive? lol. For the record, I really thought you were a lyncher when you counterclaimed blake and that you'd go along with me today just to keep your butt from getting lynched tomorrow :P

It's because Victor is busy and doesn't update this much.
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Re: Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Day 3] *Bloodbath!*

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:16 pm

safariguy5 wrote:
kwanton wrote:Am I still alive? lol. For the record, I really thought you were a lyncher when you counterclaimed blake and that you'd go along with me today just to keep your butt from getting lynched tomorrow :P

It's because Victor is busy and doesn't update this much.

Hey, hey. I work during the day and was finishing up some business elsewhere.

kwanton (Mafia Lynching Sponge) has been lynched!

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Re: Sully No Vanilla Mafia #2 [Night 3] *Mafia Spongebob Lyn

Postby blakebowling on Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:08 pm

Wheeeere are you sully?
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