Can I get a 6 please?

[Bruceswar]

but, CC IS JUNK!

Oddly the same people stay up at the top, surely they are getting the same dice as you? Did you ever stop to think you might just suck and cannot keep a high rank? Yeah sure dice happen, and we all get bad dice.. I just rolled 40 vs 4 other day and lost it, but that does not change the facts betters players are just that better. We all get shit dice and all, it is just what we do with ourselves during that time.

Ha, you couldn't be more of an ass and more wrong. I held Major for nearly a year before the dice system changed. Peaked at Col and since have been on a 6 month slide. So, try again. It has nothing to do with getting beat by better players. I find myself getting beat by noobs with lucky dice/drops than anything. CC is junk plain and simple.

P.S. Game 8179712 - does this make a better player than you?

The game you quoted... was totally wrecked by your partner getting kicked out otherwise you would have likely lost due to poor play..... don't blame the "dice change" for your rank loss. Those same people have not dropped from the top with the old dice file or new one...

[MNDuke]

but, CC IS JUNK!

Oddly the same people stay up at the top, surely they are getting the same dice as you? Did you ever stop to think you might just suck and cannot keep a high rank? Yeah sure dice happen, and we all get bad dice.. I just rolled 40 vs 4 other day and lost it, but that does not change the facts betters players are just that better. We all get shit dice and all, it is just what we do with ourselves during that time.

Ha, you couldn't be more of an ass and more wrong. I held Major for nearly a year before the dice system changed. Peaked at Col and since have been on a 6 month slide. So, try again. It has nothing to do with getting beat by better players. I find myself getting beat by noobs with lucky dice/drops than anything. CC is junk plain and simple.

P.S. Game 8179712 - does this make a better player than you?

The game you quoted... was totally wrecked by your partner getting kicked out otherwise you would have likely lost due to poor play..... don't blame the "dice change" for your rank loss. Those same people have not dropped from the top with the old dice file or new one...

Oh I see, so when you lose its because of extreme circumstances and when I win its due to luck. You are something else. Go ahead and continue your path of ignorance you bafoon. Your rank has slid quite far, and I have seen many others drop considerably. The reason those who are at the top have not dropped rank is because of game and settings selection. The reason I have dropped is because of the dice. I am not the only one who has noticed a considerable change in the balance and streakiness of the dice. So either there is a large number of us paranoid conspirators and our ranks grow everyday or maybe there is actually something to it. Go shove your poor gameplay theory up your ass you pompous swine and see to it that you piss off too.

[Bruceswar]

If I was not medal hunting my rank would be at Brig... it is fairly easy to keep a high rank and play basically whatever. The fact you feel the need to keep railing on CC dice, when nothing has changed is beyond me. BTW So nice of you to foe me, for the truth. Have a nice day sir.

[MNDuke]

You're funny. To ignore the obvious that the dice are far streakier since implementing the new system is just ignorance on your part. I foed you because you are an asshole. Also, you must not really be as good as you think you are or you would not have gotten beaten by the poor skills you claim I have, no matter the situation. If I suck as bad you claim I should have played myself right of that game. The truth is I played it well and I have beaten you in the past as well.

According to your own words medal hunting or not, you should have been able to keep your rank. As you said, "It is fairly easy to keep a high rank and play basically whatever." It shouldn't matter what you are playing right, yet you use medal hunting as an excuse. This only further proves your confusion. Must be frustrating. I guess you aren't as good as you think you are or maybe, just maybe, the dice do actually suck more now than they used to.

For someone who thinks so highly of their skills, you sure do get beat by a lot of stripers:
Game 8264833
Game 8252384
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Game 8245227
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Game 8234622
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[Commander62890]

According to your own words medal hunting or not, you should have been able to keep your rank. As you said, "It is fairly easy to keep a high rank and play basically whatever." It shouldn't matter what you are playing right, yet you use medal hunting as an excuse. I guess you aren't as good as you think you are or maybe, just maybe, the dice do actually suck more now than they used to.

Or maybe Bruce was just wrong, and one cannot maintain Brig while "playing basically whatever."

Serious medal hunting will cause high ranks to drop considerably, regardless of any dice issues.

I dropped from Brig to Sergeant 1st Class in a week or two, and never got higher than Major at any time during the 5-month period when I was collecting my medals.

3-man assassins and terminators on doodle earth and luxembourg will do that to you.



So basically, I'm just saying that Brucewar's rank does not imply that he is a bad player, nor does it imply that the dice are broken.

It certainly doesn't disprove either of those things, but neither can you infer either of them just from looking at his rank.

[MNDuke]

But one can make such an inference from looking at my rank? Please.

[Commander62890]

Perhaps the problem for you is also game selection?

Have you been playing the same games that you did when you were a Colonel?



p.s. - nice LMS-style farming games. I guess "desperate times..."

By the way, filling 19 out of 20 possible slots with New Recruits is damn impressive. That shit is genius.

No judgment

[Bruceswar]

To answer... I could take the long road and hold bring while getting all my medals, or farm for the rest of them and make general. I choose to take a quicker mindless route of doodle earth. The dice are no more streaky than they were before. Taking a look at your map rank, you play gimmick maps, which are more about dice than skill. Anybody can play feudal empire and know it basically comes down dice without fog, and log reading with fog. There are only a few strategies that work for it, unless a classic map where the combinations are endless. You map rank on that map is -300 something. Classic should be the easiest map to have a high score on. I will spare you the rest since it seems to be going over your head about "just about anything and brig" Hope you win a few games.

[MNDuke]

I have no trouble winning games against you it seems. You can spare your lectures because your pompous elitist attitude is going to fall upon deaf ears. The dice system is skewed or unbalanced and far streakier than ever before whether you would like to admit it or not. Yours is but one opinion against many. For every bruce there are about 10 of me who think there is something wrong with the dice. I shall choose to stick with the consensus vs the narrow minded and arrogant. Thanks for the analysis even though you couldn't be more wrong. I have tried many different solutions and the result is always the same....its simple, the dice have changed and are fucked. The evidence is overwhelming. Choose to ignore it if you will.

As for the LMS style games, I am merely working towards my freestyle and nuclear achievements. No different than many of you who prefer your double standards. To all you kettles, what color are pots again?

[aage]

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=8279483

Turn 1: I have a winstreak on Reihnhessen. Lose nothing, gain everything.
Turn 1a: the poor bloke ragequits and decides to kill al his territs
Turn 2: I have a winstreak until i get to Kiel, where I suddenly lose like 8 armies. Not that it mattered, but still remarkable.

Feel kinda sorry for the guy. He lost on turn 3. But then that's what you get for suiciding...

[Bruceswar]

I have no trouble winning games against you it seems. You can spare your lectures because your pompous elitist attitude is going to fall upon deaf ears. The dice system is skewed or unbalanced and far streakier than ever before whether you would like to admit it or not. Yours is but one opinion against many. For every bruce there are about 10 of me who think there is something wrong with the dice. I shall choose to stick with the consensus vs the narrow minded and arrogant. Thanks for the analysis even though you couldn't be more wrong. I have tried many different solutions and the result is always the same....its simple, the dice have changed and are fucked. The evidence is overwhelming. Choose to ignore it if you will.

As for the LMS style games, I am merely working towards my freestyle and nuclear achievements. No different than many of you who prefer your double standards. To all you kettles, what color are pots again?

My attitude is not elite, it is the truth. Simple as that. Better players will hold their rank and those who are not ... well..... As for 1 of me vs 10 who thing the dice are bad... You are sorely mistaken. People are soooo quick to blame losses on dice, when in fact more times than not they just got outplayed. Sure we all get good and bad dice, but that is how this game is. There is always going to be someone better than you. Until you can provide facts that the dice are somehow worse than before, then you have no leg to stand on. I will be waiting for the facts.

P.S. Since you missed the L M S reference, it is not about getting your medals, it was your map / settings selection which L M S used.

[ljex]

Assuming the dice are streakier now then they were before which i disagree with. Can someone please explain to me how streaky dice affect the outcome of games differently that truly random dice? I mean wont you win and lose the same number of games due to the streaky(ness) of the dice as long as in the long run they are random.

[MNDuke]

Streaky dice effect the outcome of games. If my first turn my dice are really streaky in a good way I can plow through 9+ guys and cripple my opponent. Alternately if they are streaky bad, I may not be able to card and am losing troops say at a rate of 1 kill for 3 losses. Not sure how you don't understand how that wouldn't affect the outcome of the game differently than the old dice, as the chances of this happening with the less streaky old dice are far less than streaky ones. This is not an argument about randomness. If my get my streaky dice at the end of the game when the outcome has already been determined, they do nothing but balance things out. That is the difference. I will go on streaks where I won't lose a man and kill like 16 guys with 12 or I will lose a 15 v 6 and be left with 3 and they will have 2. Its possible that outcomes like this would happen, but they are happening far too often. What I am seeing are extreme dice. That's my complaint. The dice used to be rational but they have become insane. The improbable happens at a far greater rate than should. The odds have changed. The dice had never behaved this extremely since the system was changed. There are many who will attest to this. Its funny that the only ones who back the new system are the mods and their friends. You all provide the same talking points that they are random.

[ljex]

Streaky dice effect the outcome of games. If my first turn my dice are really streaky in a good way I can plow through 9+ guys and cripple my opponent. Alternately if they are streaky bad, I may not be able to card and am losing troops say at a rate of 1 kill for 3 losses. Not sure how you don't understand how that wouldn't affect the outcome of the game differently than the old dice, as the chances of this happening with the less streaky old dice are far less than streaky ones. This is not an argument about randomness. If my get my streaky dice at the end of the game when the outcome has already been determined, they do nothing but balance things out. That is the difference. I will go on streaks where I won't lose a man and kill like 16 guys with 12 or I will lose 16 guys to 8 be left with 3 and they will have 5. Its possible that outcomes would happen, but they are happening far too often. What I am seeing are extreme dice. That's my complaint. The dice used to be rational but they have become insane. The improbable happens at a far greater rate than should. The odds have changed. The dice had never behaved this extremely since the system was changed. There are many who will attest to this. Its funny that the only ones who back the new system are the mods and their friends. You all provide the same talking points that they are random.

the problem with this is you fail to mention both sides of this argument, you can also get bad dice at the end of a game you have already won so that they "even out" but you still get a win. Yeah the dice will screw with you sometimes and that is to be expected, maybe you should consider that when you have 45 active games at a time you are bound to have a bunch of streaky turns just based on odds. Also lets be honest, if everyone had the same streaky dice wouldn't the skilled players still win more games based on the skill of the game or everyones score approach a closer distribution? I dont see any complaints about the dice being different for different people so how is it that some people are still at the top of the scoreboard? Also if mods and mods friends defending the dice why are you not defending them? Aren't you yourself friends with a few mods? Beyond that why do you assume i am defending them based on the fact that I am a mod and why do you not realize that many regular users have given up defending them because no matter how many times they try to defend them the dice complainers still complain. I myself was no longer defending them just because I didnt feel like wasting my time till you said that stupid 10-1 "fact" that is complete bs.

[demonfork]

As a former Conqueror I offer my .2 cents...

In the long run, the dice are completely irrelevant when it comes to why you are low ranked with a low win %.

Yes the dice here are whack, but they are equally whack for everyone thus making them un-whack.

If being counted among the elite is a goal for you then looking beyond the dice is a must.

I have achieved here what most only dream of...

8th highest score of all time
1 of only 21 players to ever reach the rank of Field Marshall
1 of only 22 players to ever reach the rank of Conqueror

I can assure you that achieving my glory had nothing to do with the dice and everything to do with my big butt....so sorry about your little one

[TheForgivenOne]

As a former Conqueror I offer my .2 cents...

In the long run, the dice are completely irrelevant when it comes to why you are low ranked with a low win %.

Yes the dice here are whack, but they are equally whack for everyone thus making them un-whack.

If being counted among the elite is a goal for you then looking beyond the dice is a must.

I have achieved here what most only dream of...

8th highest score of all time
1 of only 21 players to ever reach the rank of Field Marshall
1 of only 22 players to ever reach the rank of Conqueror

I can assure you that achieving my glory had nothing to do with the dice and everything to do with my big butt....so sorry about your little one

Oh how I wish I had your.... big butt?

[MNDuke]

This is incredibly pointless. Arguing semantics is going no where but circles. For example I can provide for why the dice are ridiculous you will just find one to counter mine. It really doesn't matter. In my opinion the dice are fucked and ruining the overall experience of what CC used to be. I will not be renewing my premium membership as many others will not be. I wonder why Demonfork isn't premium anymore? The only reason I haven't quit already is that I enjoy playing alongside my clanmates so much and complaining about the dice to end to annoy the f*ck out of you ignoramuses.

[JoshyBoy]

1 of only 21 players to ever reach the rank of Field Marshall
1 of only 22 players to ever reach the rank of Conqueror

Out of curiousity, how can 22 reach conqueror, but only 21 reach field marshall? Is this because at the beginning of CC there was a conqueror who had a score lower than that of a field marshall? Or have you just got your numbers muddled? I'm confused.

[TheForgivenOne]

1 of only 21 players to ever reach the rank of Field Marshall
1 of only 22 players to ever reach the rank of Conqueror

Out of curiousity, how can 22 reach conqueror, but only 21 reach field marshall? Is this because at the beginning of CC there was a conqueror who had a score lower than that of a field marshall? Or have you just got your numbers muddled? I'm confused.

Yes, the first player to hold the beloved Conqueror title, as far as I know, was Gibbom. And I don't believe he got to FM. But I could be wrong

[ljex]

This is incredibly pointless. Arguing semantics is going no where but circles. For example I can provide for why the dice are ridiculous you will just find one to counter mine. It really doesn't matter. In my opinion the dice are fucked and ruining the overall experience of what CC used to be. I will not be renewing my premium membership as many others will not be. I wonder why Demonfork isn't premium anymore? The only reason I haven't quit already is that I enjoy playing alongside my clanmates so much and complaining about the dice to end to annoy the f*ck out of you ignoramuses.

maybe because cc is boring for him and he has no goals left to achieve, maybe because he is fine with only 4 games, maybe because he cant afford it, or maybe it is because of the dice. Who knows why but either way you inferring that it is because of the dice is completely unfounded with evidence.

[MNDuke]

The only thing I have inferred is that the CC experience isn't what it used to be. Read what you want into it that.

P.S. The new dice still suck.

[MNDuke]

Assuming the dice are streakier now then they were before which i disagree with. Can someone please explain to me how streaky dice affect the outcome of games differently that truly random dice? I mean wont you win and lose the same number of games due to the streaky(ness) of the dice as long as in the long run they are random.

Game 8101401

I'm not the only one who complains...seems the dice were pretty streakier here, eh?

[ljex]

Assuming the dice are streakier now then they were before which i disagree with. Can someone please explain to me how streaky dice affect the outcome of games differently that truly random dice? I mean wont you win and lose the same number of games due to the streaky(ness) of the dice as long as in the long run they are random.

Game 8101401

I'm not the only one who complains...seems the dice were pretty streakier here, eh?

Complaining about dice is not complaining that they are not random, its complaining about the dice you got. That game i got sucky dice and lost but does it mean the dice are not random, no...

[MNDuke]

Assuming the dice are streakier now then they were before which i disagree with. Can someone please explain to me how streaky dice affect the outcome of games differently that truly random dice? I mean wont you win and lose the same number of games due to the streaky(ness) of the dice as long as in the long run they are random.

Game 8101401

I'm not the only one who complains...seems the dice were pretty streaky here, eh?

Complaining about dice is not complaining that they are not random, its complaining about the dice you got. That game i got sucky dice and lost but does it mean the dice are not random, no...

To reiterate yet again...I never said randomness, not complaining that they are not random...I said streakiness. Big difference. Complaining that they are far too streaky causing game unbalance. Please get it right.

[tdans]

just shutup everyone........ thankyou ♥