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Time Person of the Year: Runner up - The Tea Party

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The surprising thing about the Tea Party movement is how many experts were surprised by it. The U.S. has always been home to a large group of people who think the government is too big and spends too much. Why wouldn't those people rise up when the already gargantuan federal deficit more than tripled seemingly overnight? Some lexicographers say refudiate was the word of the year, but for sheer political impact, it's hard to top the word trillion.

America has always had its populists too, people leery of the predations of Wall Street and its Washington handmaidens. And here was Washington, right on cue, bailing out the fat cats who helped blow up the economy. It might be true that a crisis brought on by excessive borrowing by homeowners and investment bankers should be solved with yet more borrowing by the government (although even Ph.D.s in economics can't agree on that). But you can be certain that some folks will conclude that somewhere in that vast daisy chain of debt, somebody is going to have to pay — and get angry when they realize that somebody is likely to be them. (See a video of the Tea Party behind the scenes.)

The eye-catching aspects of the Tea Party movement were the folks with tricornered hats and the occasional offensive hand-painted sign and the wave-riding hucksters in various guises, from bumper-sticker salesmen to patriotic songwriters looking for fame to the Tea Party's weepy master of ceremonies, Glenn Beck. Such spectacles were mostly foam, frothing on the surface. Down deep, forces like populism, libertarianism and skepticism of government — throw in some cultural conservatism and a dash of antielitism, created the swell that swept over American politics in 2010, inundating congressional Democrats while battering the Republican establishment.

Despite the age-old currents, though, Tea Partyism is in certain respects a purely contemporary wave. It spread like wildfire, upending dozens of elections, yet has not coalesced around a single leader, a single agenda or even a common name. Included is a map covered with a blizzard of dots, each representing a group or chapter or website or even just a couple of people. This dizzying multitude is arrayed around at least six different banners: Tea Party Nation, Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, FreedomWorks, ResistNet, the 1776 Tea Party. Leveraging the same tools that helped elect President Obama — Facebook, Meetup, blogs, YouTube — the Tea Party opposition to Obama's policies grew huge without ever growing organized. (See portraits of TIME's 2010 Person of the Year: Facebook CEO and Co-Founder Mark Zuckerberg.)

In a sense, identifying with the Tea Party movement was like catching Beatlemania in the 1960s. People were drawn in for different reasons — the beat, the haircuts, the lyrics — and great gulfs of taste divided the John fans from the Paul fans, the George fans from the Ringo fans.

As long as the far-flung elements of the Tea Party were shoulder to shoulder against Obama, it was easy to keep them together. But now, the party that argued so effectively for smaller government is headed to Washington, where so many other waves have broken and receded. Having remade Congress and with a GOP presidential nomination up for grabs, the Tea Party is about to learn that rallying against its enemies is easier than choosing among its allies.

The Tea Party victories didn't magically heal the age-old divisions of the right. Senator-elect Rand Paul, the movement's flag bearer in Kentucky, is the son of libertarian icon Representative Ron Paul of Texas. Dad has often split with the neocons of the Republican Party over military interventions around the world. Like father, like son? For that matter, how will the hands-off libertarians get along with the factions of the GOP that want to enforce drug laws and ban abortion and same-sex marriage? Already the self-proclaimed Tea Party Caucus of the House of Representatives is clashing with GOP leaders over how to pursue repeal of the Obama health care law. Should the new Congress propose an alternative medical system or take a harder line: Just keep the government out?
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I ctrl+F'd "Glenn" and saw he was mentioned. I was too lazy to read the whole thing. Did he get runner up?
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Army of GOD wrote:I ctrl+F'd "Glenn" and saw he was mentioned. I was too lazy to read the whole thing. Did he get runner up?


Glenn was mentioned in an article about the Tea Party? no way!

A lot of other things were mentioned too

Personally, I think the Tea Party impacted the globe far more than Facebook did.

Facebook: wow, so I can communicate with people over the internet? pretty cool....
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Phatscotty wrote:Personally, I think the Tea Party impacted the globe far more than Facebook did.



Yeah, Australians were really impacted by american conservatives changing their name to the tea party because the elected officials they support had become morally and ideologically bankrupt.
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Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Personally, I think the Tea Party impacted the globe far more than Facebook did.



Yeah, Australians were really impacted by american conservatives changing their name to the tea party because the elected officials they support had become morally and ideologically bankrupt.


hmm, pretty sure we threw out a lot of republicans, don't know how you could twist that into supporting them...and if you haven't heard of the Tea Party down under, then I guess that's your problem. I suppose you could also ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 5924785030 :roll: :roll:

are you sure you have a clue what you are talking about?

or else, you could try reading the opening post, as it relates completely

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sooooo 2006
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Republicans espouse the same positions the tea party candidates do. Elected republicans were so disastrous, consevatives needed to distance themselves from a failed party. All you did is elect different people into the same machine which will corrupt them within a year or 2, at best. The same thing happened in the 90s.

Also, if one of Rupert murdochs propaganda outlets assert something, it must be true.
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Hey, Phatscotty, you know being Time Person of the Year isn't necessarily a good thing, right? Hitler was Person of the Year.
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Aradhus wrote:Republicans espouse the same positions the tea party candidates do. Elected republicans were so disastrous, consevatives needed to distance themselves from a failed party. All you did is elect different people into the same machine which will corrupt them within a year or 2, at best. The same thing happened in the 90s.

Also, if one of Rupert murdochs propaganda outlets assert something, it must be true.


don't know how much more action can be taken than throwing them out of power in disgrace.

1) What would you suggest is a better way to deal with the corrupt republicans?

2) Is it guaranteed that all freshman congressional seats will be corrupt in 2 years?

I understand some Republican candidates just jumped on the wagon (again, pointed out in the article. Will you please read the f'n thing?) Yet, they also adopted Tea Party issues to their platform. If they do not uphold those promises with their votes, then we will vote them out as well. I don't have a problem with you doubting my resolve, or the Tea Party's resolve for that matter. Our candidates have not even been seated yet....dont you think that it's a bit too early to be making generalizations and predicting total failure?

I do.

Plus, you don't even understand the Tea Party, so I will just categorize you as "ignorant" on the entire issue.
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InkL0sed wrote:Hey, Phatscotty, you know being Time Person of the Year isn't necessarily a good thing, right? Hitler was Person of the Year.


Better to be runner up than the winner, but yes I hear you. Does that mean that all major events during a year, if included by Time, are like Hitler?

:|

I seem to remember from somewhere, there were a lot of Americans holding up the successes of Hitler, in the economic realm....

If you were alive then, living through FDR and The Great Depression, in 1937, would you have been on Hitler's Balls?

Reasons I think you would have been: You believe gov't control is the answer. in 1937, you only needed to look to Germany for proof that gov't was the solution....right???

Please, keep it in the context of the Economic Hitler
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Phatscotty wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:Hey, Phatscotty, you know being Time Person of the Year isn't necessarily a good thing, right? Hitler was Person of the Year.


Better to be runner up than the winner, but yes I hear you. Does that mean that all major events during a year, if included by Time, are like Hitler?


No, but your posting of this article seems rather... triumphant. God forbid I put words in your mouth though - it's not like you didn't say anything about it.

If you were alive then, living through FDR and The Great Depression, in 1937, would you have been on Hitler's Balls?

Doubtful, considering the fact that his propaganda posters included depictions of my people as cockroaches.

EDIT: Or, to answer in terms of the "Economic Hitler", I don't think genocide is good economic policy.
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InkL0sed wrote:
EDIT: Or, to answer in terms of the "Economic Hitler", I don't think genocide is good economic policy.


It worked for the Roman Empire for centuries.

Besides the moral and ethical problems with that policy though, is that kingdoms who were once opposed to each other see what is happening and ally together to defeat the genocidal maniac.

This is in a sense what is happening with the Tea Party. The Tea Party is ordinary Americans seeing what is going on and banding together to stop the insanity. Republican or Democrat, it matters not, they will fall victim to the Tea Party eventually if they don't get back to Constitutional principles. Our Central Government was never meant to get to such heights of power by our Founding Fathers.

Our Government has gone insane. People are banding together to oppose it. About time if you ask me. I just hope it is not too little too late. Time will tell soon enough.
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InkL0sed wrote:Hey, Phatscotty, you know being Time Person of the Year isn't necessarily a good thing, right? Hitler was Person of the Year.


Followed by Stalin(twice).
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I heard Satan one it once too.
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Army of GOD wrote:I ctrl+F'd "Glenn" and saw he was mentioned. I was too lazy to read the whole thing. Did he get runner up?


Sarah Palin isn't mentioned anywhere. Who'da thunk it.

Phatscotty wrote:Better to be runner up than the winner, but yes I hear you. Does that mean that all major events during a year, if included by Time, are like Hitler?


Maybe if you're Glenn Beck...
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Army of GOD wrote:I heard Satan one it once too.


It wouldn't surprise me.

I'm just sayin' that Hitler being named man of the year in 1938 shouldn't be as much of a shock as Stalin being named man of the year in 1939.

You know,...cuz of the huge piles of bodies and shit.
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I still don't even get what the OP means though. Did the Tea Party win Person of the Year runner-up?



Does Time realize that the Tea Party is a group of people and not a single person?
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Well, they are in partnership with CNN.

It's nothing new though. Groups have been named person of the year several times.

Edit: Oh yeah....runner up. Mark Zuckerberg is person of the year according to Time.
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That doesn't make sense though. A group of people isn't a person. Fucking idiots.
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They gave it to a computer in 1982.

Apparently, somtimes there aren't enough people to choose from.
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Ok. So, I think TIME magazine as a whole becomes irrelevant after this choice.
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Should've given it to Palin. She provides plenty of interesting entertainment for all.
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patches70 wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
EDIT: Or, to answer in terms of the "Economic Hitler", I don't think genocide is good economic policy.


It worked for the Roman Empire for centuries.


Yeah, just ask the people they killed how that worked out for them economically
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InkL0sed wrote:
patches70 wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
EDIT: Or, to answer in terms of the "Economic Hitler", I don't think genocide is good economic policy.


It worked for the Roman Empire for centuries.


Yeah, just ask the people they killed how that worked out for them economically



Wow, good job taking my post completely out of context and missing the point all together.

Since you aren't too bright I will explain in detail.

In the days of old, it was certainly a common economic policy for one kingdom to go in and kill all the people of another kingdom and take all their wealth. The problem with that though (besides the moral and ethical problems) is the aggressive kingdom either runs out of people to kill and steal from or all the other kingdoms left get together and crush the aggressor.

Today, in America, we have an economic genocide going on. The Middle class is being wiped out. In the course of one generation, from 1970 until today, we can plainly see it. In 1970 a typical middle class family could not only get by on the paycheck from dad, have all the necessities of life (food, housing, clothing and medical care) and were able to save a little bit as well. With only one parent having to work there was a greater safety net as well. If Dad got injured or sick, Mom if need be, could enter the work force and the family would still have a chance to get by.

Fast forward to today. The typical middle class family needs both parents working to get all the same things as the family from 1970 but today's family isn't saving any money. Not to mention, with both parents working, childcare arrangements and costs come into play that the 1970 family didn't have to worry about. Their safety net is gone as well, since today's family needs 104 paychecks a year instead of the 52 paychecks of the 1970 family. Today if one of the parents gets sick or injured there is no one else left to pick up the slack, except society.

The social policies in an attempt to "help the poor" have had consequences that were apparently not foreseen. Our currency has devalued during that period from 1970-today by more than 80%. Inflation is rampant when you look at it over the course of that period. We are over taxed, over regulated, over complicated and opportunity is fast disappearing.

It has the effect thus- The poor are still in the same shape. The lower middle class, the people are are truly trying their best cannot get ahead. The middle class is fast being crushed, the upper middle class has to work harder than ever and has to deal with mountains of bureaucracy that they have to work against alone that the rich can hire the firms and lawyers and accountants to deal with.

So, the Tea Party is being like those kingdoms of old. They see what is going on and are grouping together to fight against the aggressor that is the Government with it's unsound economic policies. The politicians attempt to divide the middle class people against the Rich or any other thing besides casting the light of blame on the real culprit, poor government economic policy.

The Government is the aggressor. Instead of outright taking lives, their policies are destroying our currency. The Government is killing the private sector. The Government is killing the Middle class economically. If it keeps up there will only be a very very few rich people and everyone else will be poor and on the Government dole.

So, just ask the typical middle income family how it is working out for them today. They aren't going to blame rich people, they are blaming Government. And they are taking their ire out on who ever in Government they perceive as the problem, one by one. Republican or Democrat.
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Phatscotty wrote:
Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Personally, I think the Tea Party impacted the globe far more than Facebook did.



Yeah, Australians were really impacted by american conservatives changing their name to the tea party because the elected officials they support had become morally and ideologically bankrupt.


hmm, pretty sure we threw out a lot of republicans, don't know how you could twist that into supporting them...and if you haven't heard of the Tea Party down under, then I guess that's your problem. I suppose you could also ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 5924785030 :roll: :roll:

are you sure you have a clue what you are talking about?

or else, you could try reading the opening post, as it relates completely

:roll:



sooooo 2006

some fool registering a website does not equal an impact on australia
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Aradhus wrote:Republicans espouse the same positions the tea party candidates do. Elected republicans were so disastrous, consevatives needed to distance themselves from a failed party. All you did is elect different people into the same machine which will corrupt them within a year or 2, at best. The same thing happened in the 90s.

Also, if one of Rupert murdochs propaganda outlets assert something, it must be true.


Sorry, but you are dead wrong there. I could give numerous examples, like I always do, but you will just ignore it and move on to the next completely incorrect statement, like you always do.
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