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[radiojake]

thankfully though radiojake is in the south where it is too cold and wet all year round to expose any part of the female body

Do not fret, greenoaks, for if you were to head to Melbourne town in July and decided to take a stroll along Swanston St at 2am, you will still find plenty of women wearing practically nothing, shivering their asses off, wishing they had decided to bring a coat along. But hey, emancipation equates impressing men by wearing as little as possible and being cold, doesn't it?

[Woodruff]

thankfully though radiojake is in the south where it is too cold and wet all year round to expose any part of the female body

Do not fret, greenoaks, for if you were to head to Melbourne town in July and decided to take a stroll along Swanston St at 2am, you will still find plenty of women wearing practically nothing, shivering their asses off, wishing they had decided to bring a coat along. But hey, emancipation equates impressing men by wearing as little as possible and being cold, doesn't it?

Are you implying they shouldn't be able to make that choice? You seem to be.

[radiojake]

thankfully though radiojake is in the south where it is too cold and wet all year round to expose any part of the female body

Do not fret, greenoaks, for if you were to head to Melbourne town in July and decided to take a stroll along Swanston St at 2am, you will still find plenty of women wearing practically nothing, shivering their asses off, wishing they had decided to bring a coat along. But hey, emancipation equates impressing men by wearing as little as possible and being cold, doesn't it?

Are you implying they shouldn't be able to make that choice? You seem to be.

I am saying it's totally impractical and for the most part it seems to stem from a desire to be 'attractive' to men - but it has been labelled and passed as under the guise of 'feminism' - It's a fucking joke - Ofcourse if people want to wear no clothes in winter and freeze then they can do it, you will not ever see me say (or write) "you can't do that" - But I'll hold my right to call 'bullshit' and see through the facade.

[TheMessage]

thankfully though radiojake is in the south where it is too cold and wet all year round to expose any part of the female body

Do not fret, greenoaks, for if you were to head to Melbourne town in July and decided to take a stroll along Swanston St at 2am, you will still find plenty of women wearing practically nothing, shivering their asses off, wishing they had decided to bring a coat along. But hey, emancipation equates impressing men by wearing as little as possible and being cold, doesn't it?

Are you implying they shouldn't be able to make that choice? You seem to be.

I am saying it's totally impractical and for the most part it seems to stem from a desire to be 'attractive' to men - but it has been labelled and passed as under the guise of 'feminism' - It's a fucking joke - Ofcourse if people want to wear no clothes in winter and freeze then they can do it, you will not ever see me say (or write) "you can't do that" - But I'll hold my right to call 'bullshit' and see through the facade.

Again, how in the world is that possibly misogynistic? You seem to have glossed over that question completely.

[radiojake]

thankfully though radiojake is in the south where it is too cold and wet all year round to expose any part of the female body

Do not fret, greenoaks, for if you were to head to Melbourne town in July and decided to take a stroll along Swanston St at 2am, you will still find plenty of women wearing practically nothing, shivering their asses off, wishing they had decided to bring a coat along. But hey, emancipation equates impressing men by wearing as little as possible and being cold, doesn't it?

Are you implying they shouldn't be able to make that choice? You seem to be.

I am saying it's totally impractical and for the most part it seems to stem from a desire to be 'attractive' to men - but it has been labelled and passed as under the guise of 'feminism' - It's a fucking joke - Ofcourse if people want to wear no clothes in winter and freeze then they can do it, you will not ever see me say (or write) "you can't do that" - But I'll hold my right to call 'bullshit' and see through the facade.

Again, how in the world is that possibly misogynistic? You seem to have glossed over that question completely.

The word misogyny is completely missing from the above quotes - So your question is out of place - However I did go a small way to answering the question of cultural misogyny earlier..

Our culture accepts subversive misogyny because women (and in recent years, it is begun happening to men) are constantly told to HATE their bodies. Plastic surgery is a prime example - Anorexia is a symptom. Look at magazines and the unachieveable image that is present (unachievable because they are most often photoshoped images).

Obviously this was a very quick paragraph that was in the middle of other information - I could write an essay length response about cultural misogyny because it is a complex issue, but I hardly see how that is the point - Maybe you all should read "Female Chauvinst Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture" by Ariel Levy for a better written, indepth discussion on the topic

[Woodruff]

thankfully though radiojake is in the south where it is too cold and wet all year round to expose any part of the female body

Do not fret, greenoaks, for if you were to head to Melbourne town in July and decided to take a stroll along Swanston St at 2am, you will still find plenty of women wearing practically nothing, shivering their asses off, wishing they had decided to bring a coat along. But hey, emancipation equates impressing men by wearing as little as possible and being cold, doesn't it?

Are you implying they shouldn't be able to make that choice? You seem to be.

I am saying it's totally impractical and for the most part it seems to stem from a desire to be 'attractive' to men - but it has been labelled and passed as under the guise of 'feminism'

I must be honest here - I have NEVER (not once) heard anyone make the claim that models being models are anything related to feminism. I take that back...I've heard it now, from you. So basically, you're making a claim about someone that doesn't jive to the claims those individuals make about themselves.

Ofcourse if people want to wear no clothes in winter and freeze then they can do it, you will not ever see me say (or write) "you can't do that" - But I'll hold my right to call 'bullshit' and see through the facade.

Which is precisely what I've been doing in this thread.

[Woodruff]

Again, how in the world is that possibly misogynistic? You seem to have glossed over that question completely.

The word misogyny is completely missing from the above quotes - So your question is out of place - However I did go a small way to answering the question of cultural misogyny earlier..

Our culture accepts subversive misogyny because women (and in recent years, it is begun happening to men) are constantly told to HATE their bodies. Plastic surgery is a prime example - Anorexia is a symptom. Look at magazines and the unachieveable image that is present (unachievable because they are most often photoshoped images).

Obviously this was a very quick paragraph that was in the middle of other information - I could write an essay length response about cultural misogyny because it is a complex issue, but I hardly see how that is the point - Maybe you all should read "Female Chauvinst Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture" by Ariel Levy for a better written, indepth discussion on the topic

Clearly, these women should be back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, BAKING ME A PIE! Because that wasn't misogynistic at all.

Basically, what I'm saying is...just because something disagrees with your morals or your sensibilities does not make it misogynistic.

[radiojake]

Clearly, these women should be back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, BAKING ME A PIE! Because that wasn't misogynistic at all.

Noted the sarcasm, however please do not try to associate me with such a comment, because that is being dishonest on your behalf

Basically, what I'm saying is...just because something disagrees with your morals or your sensibilities does not make it misogynistic.

That is a fair enough call - However, just because you can not see it, does not mean it does not exist.

[Woodruff]

Clearly, these women should be back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, BAKING ME A PIE! Because that wasn't misogynistic at all.

Noted the sarcasm, however please do not try to associate me with such a comment, because that is being dishonest on your behalf

I wasn't meaning to associate you with such a comment, but I absolutely was using sarcasm to drive home the point.

Basically, what I'm saying is...just because something disagrees with your morals or your sensibilities does not make it misogynistic.

That is a fair enough call - However, just because you can not see it, does not mean it does not exist.

Of course. Though I pride myself on my ability to see things without a filtered lens, and take great pains to try to do so.

[radiojake]

Clearly, these women should be back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, BAKING ME A PIE! Because that wasn't misogynistic at all.

Noted the sarcasm, however please do not try to associate me with such a comment, because that is being dishonest on your behalf

I wasn't meaning to associate you with such a comment, but I absolutely was using sarcasm to drive home the point.

What exactly was that point?

[natty dread]

Ok - Some clarifications.
Not once have I said that Pascalleke should have to change his avatar -

Semantics

Secondly, people have begun bringing up art and have implied that I am against nudity full-stop. There is nothing wrong with nudity, however I think it comes down to context and appropriateness. A 2 second .gif file depicting a girl bouncing from side to side with half her breasts exposed and pants undone has little or no context (other than to gawk at). It has been devoid of any meaning. How can it be art if it is meaningless?

Define "art".

[greenoaks]

Ok - Some clarifications.
Not once have I said that Pascalleke should have to change his avatar -

Semantics

Secondly, people have begun bringing up art and have implied that I am against nudity full-stop. There is nothing wrong with nudity, however I think it comes down to context and appropriateness. A 2 second .gif file depicting a girl bouncing from side to side with half her breasts exposed and pants undone has little or no context (other than to gawk at). It has been devoid of any meaning. How can it be art if it is meaningless?

Define "art".

my av is not a 2 second gif, it is a drawing - yet i have been labelled a woman hater by radiojake

yet his av is of a bird, on its back, with its legs in the air

as bird is a word used to describe a women, isn't his av also misogynistic ?

just asking

[Woodruff]

Clearly, these women should be back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, BAKING ME A PIE! Because that wasn't misogynistic at all.

Noted the sarcasm, however please do not try to associate me with such a comment, because that is being dishonest on your behalf

I wasn't meaning to associate you with such a comment, but I absolutely was using sarcasm to drive home the point.

What exactly was that point?

Your clear preference to "the way things used to be" and the idea that feminism has been twisted into misogyny is rooted in denial (to be kind).

[TheMessage]

Again, how in the world is that possibly misogynistic? You seem to have glossed over that question completely.

The word misogyny is completely missing from the above quotes - So your question is out of place - However I did go a small way to answering the question of cultural misogyny earlier..

Our culture accepts subversive misogyny because women (and in recent years, it is begun happening to men) are constantly told to HATE their bodies. Plastic surgery is a prime example - Anorexia is a symptom. Look at magazines and the unachieveable image that is present (unachievable because they are most often photoshoped images).

Obviously this was a very quick paragraph that was in the middle of other information - I could write an essay length response about cultural misogyny because it is a complex issue, but I hardly see how that is the point - Maybe you all should read "Female Chauvinst Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture" by Ariel Levy for a better written, indepth discussion on the topic

Who is being told to hate their body? I haven't seen that, certainly not on the sort of cultural level that you require. I have seen where models, a profession whose entire job is to look "sexy", are digitally touched up to unrealistic standards, but that isn't the same thing. That's like saying that athletes who are told to take steroids are being told to hate their physical ability. You're adding your own perception into the equation and blaming other people for it.

Or maybe your point wasn't the models themselves but the people who wish to emulate the touched up image they are seeing. If that's the case then it still fails, as those people aren't being told to hate their bodies either. Their own insecurity drives them to those lengths, which really can't be blamed on other people.

[Incandenza]

Radiojake hates tits. The terrorists have won.

[pascalleke]

Radiojake hates tits. The terrorists have won.

so the usa is filled with terrorists

[greenoaks]

Radiojake hates tits. The terrorists have won.

so the usa is filled with terrorists

radiojake is from australia

[pascalleke]

Radiojake hates tits. The terrorists have won.

so the usa is filled with terrorists

radiojake is from australia

ow sorry my bad did not know terrorists liked to fly

[Qwert]

these avatar are innapropriate??? Can you tell me a name of these chick

edit: I investigate a little,and find that these is excuse to kick you out of Feudal League,because you beat violet and pirlo twice in these tournament,shame on you
Next time be more carefull when you play with ladies, and try to like real gentlemen lost games.

(well these is mine guess)

[Lubawski]

Do I find it offensive? Definitely not, but I can appreciate that people of a certain upbringing (religious in particular) might. It's just a matter of common sense I feel, if she's offended, leave her alone and move along.

I haven't read the whole thing, but I laughed when I read this. So someone who is religious can be offended by boobs on one hand (a natural part of nature) while playing a simulated war game. Seems hypocritical.

Some people are too damn sensitive. Leave it be and move along.

[Donlarry]

VioIet is craaazy

foe her and move on ............. to your own tournament where only people with avatars that let you see their boobies can join

that will teach her to exclude you

he said boobies lol

[owenshooter]

these avatar are innapropriate??? Can you tell me a name of these chick

edit: I investigate a little,and find that these is excuse to kick you out of Feudal League,because you beat violet and pirlo twice in these tournament,shame on you
Next time be more carefull when you play with ladies, and try to like real gentlemen lost games.

(well these is mine guess)

this is very interesting..-the black jesus

[pascalleke]

these avatar are innapropriate??? Can you tell me a name of these chick

edit: I investigate a little,and find that these is excuse to kick you out of Feudal League,because you beat violet and pirlo twice in these tournament,shame on you
Next time be more carefull when you play with ladies, and try to like real gentlemen lost games.

(well these is mine guess)

well it was fun killing them i must honestly admit ....

[owenshooter]

well, this was a great thread in which the unwritten rules were written down for everyone to see... also interesting because violet never made an appearance, she only sent her flying monkeys to do her bidding... on an even MORE interesting note, mpjh was told to remain silent and to abstain from his usual baiting/flaming which goes unpunished due to his coloured name... all in all a very productive thread in which the cc community as a whole learned something new... kind of like the old days of the GD before the jr. mint mod squad started spamming it up and pointless threads took over... great thread...-the black jesus

[elfish_lad]

well, this was a great thread in which the unwritten rules were written down for everyone to see... also interesting because violet never made an appearance, she only sent her flying monkeys to do her bidding... on an even MORE interesting note, mpjh was told to remain silent and to abstain from his usual baiting/flaming which goes unpunished due to his coloured name... all in all a very productive thread in which the cc community as a whole learned something new... kind of like the old days of the GD before the jr. mint mod squad started spamming it up and pointless threads took over... great thread...-the black jesus

A thread of adults I think. Or... those who aren't adults (yet) acting like adults. Don't know if I agree with the "flying monkey" thing. Since I agree with one of your earlier posts in this thread where you alluded to the fact that she has no need to post. She did her thing and it is for others to figure out where it fits. Don't get the mpjh thing either, but you guys have had a lurv fest since I've been here (long before I'm sure), but that's for adults to work out on their own I guess.

But a very interesting read from top to bottom. And, I think, a good sign for our community. There is going to be conflict and disagreements, and volunteers will do their best with all our passions and angst and we'll all adjust... like grown up folk, 'cause life goes on don't it?

E.