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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby dustin800 on Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:49 pm

Great idea!
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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby Kinnison on Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:04 am

Varying the type of award or amount of it for complexity of tournament has been discussed before...

1> if it's set by hard guidelines, people will build tournaments to the guidelines. Say that the "UBERLEET" tournament level requires 101+ players, 701+ games. someone will start finding ways to build to those exact numbers.... or near enough. so you're going to require human intervention to decide complexity. that means a lot more work, and arguments about how "tournament X was MUCH harder than Y, are you nuts? gimme my medal!"

2> Having a maximum cap settled this. Make tournaments... WIN tournaments... because you ENJOY doing it. The records are there... put it in your sig if it matters to you. This is not WOW. Just because some folks are up against the Medal cap, Lack does not need to add another 10 levels to the game. :lol:
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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby Woodruff on Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:19 am

Kinnison wrote:1> if it's set by hard guidelines, people will build tournaments to the guidelines. Say that the "UBERLEET" tournament level requires 101+ players, 701+ games. someone will start finding ways to build to those exact numbers.... or near enough.


I guess I don't see the problem with this. Helping to motivate folks to put on larger tournaments simply seems like a win-win to me.

Kinnison wrote:so you're going to require human intervention to decide complexity. that means a lot more work, and arguments about how "tournament X was MUCH harder than Y, are you nuts? gimme my medal!"


That's why the tournament folks get paid the big bucks...to make those decisions. Find out why the other tournament was considered more complex and fix your own process.

Kinnison wrote:2> Having a maximum cap settled this. Make tournaments... WIN tournaments... because you ENJOY doing it. The records are there... put it in your sig if it matters to you.


Sure, I agree with this. And yet, if you're going to use that logic...then don't have medals for them at all. I don't personally happen to care that much about medals (or rank), but it does irritate me just a tad that a 16-person tournament could be given the same credence that the larger and very complex tournaments are.
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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby jsholty4690 on Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:45 am

Good idea, all I have to do is win a tourney now.
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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby slickstick on Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:10 am

very nice :)
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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby ARTY247 on Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:26 am

cool
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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby vragus on Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:10 am

I liked it
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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:23 am

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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby jricart on Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:59 am

Wow, 4 pages already in less than 24hrs. I guess it means a change needs to be done and players support the idea.

Should we include a pool to set the Range for the medals?
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby greenoaks on Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:56 am

i don't see the point of the 3 medals/trophies

if the gold one has a number on it saying how many tournaments you have won or run then why not just have 1 medal/trophy that says the same thing
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby HighlanderAttack on Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:26 am

Some players are making the point that larger tourneys are more important than smaller one--well of course they are more meaningful and harder to accomplish. That should not take away from winning a tourney. It is an accomplishment to have a 1 in 16 chance of winning and make it happen. Not bashing the larger tourney supporters --just making a point that this is about the recognition of winning and hosting a tourney. I have said this many times in the past-you are only getting a virtual medal which is recognition for an accomplishment weather that tourney win is a big or a small one. In your mind is where you know you had a better run of luck and accomplishment winning a larger tourney. No easy way to separate a small vs a large tourney as some of the distinction comes from an individuals perception.

Some of the replies to this remind me of going to a fast food restaurant where you ask for extra pickles and the cashier acts like they can't give you extra pickles without charging you and that it is a big deal if they do. Make the customer happy--it is not like the cashier owns the place and even if they did--what does it hurt to give out a little extra pickle :D :D :D


All in all I see about 90% support for something to be done to give the recognition.

I do know when I played foosball and won a local 16 player tourney it was a great feeling and when I won a 100 player state title that was a great feeling and a bigger trophy. I understand where some of the players are coming from--it would just take a lot of time to try and make those decisions as they are not as cut and dry as foosball, pool or darts.

ok I am rambling now--have a great day all
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby HighlanderAttack on Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:28 am

greenoaks wrote:i don't see the point of the 3 medals/trophies

if the gold one has a number on it saying how many tournaments you have won or run then why not just have 1 medal/trophy that says the same thing



The only point really is the current medals only go up to 30. Really there just has to be some change. I don't think when tourneys started anyone predicted they would become so popular.
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby greenoaks on Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:27 am

HighlanderAttack wrote:
greenoaks wrote:i don't see the point of the 3 medals/trophies

if the gold one has a number on it saying how many tournaments you have won or run then why not just have 1 medal/trophy that says the same thing



The only point really is the current medals only go up to 30. Really there just has to be some change. I don't think when tourneys started anyone predicted they would become so popular.

i am all for complete recognition

i just don't like the bronze, silver, gold aspect of this suggestion
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby squishyg on Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:34 am

yes yes yes yes!!!!! lets give the TOs the respect they deserve by acknowledging all their hard work. and what a great way to keep tourney players excited about racking up wins.
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:58 am

jricart wrote:Wow, 4 pages already in less than 24hrs. I guess it means a change needs to be done and players support the idea.

Should we include a pool to set the Range for the medals?


That along with HA's attack to everyone on his friends list, haha.

This is a good idea in theory, but my major concern is still the idea that since this medal system would be redone, what about the others? Not saying they should be, but wouldn't this set a precedent that they had to be?

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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby ralphcptc on Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:52 pm

i agree with the suggestion
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby HighlanderAttack on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:16 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
jricart wrote:Wow, 4 pages already in less than 24hrs. I guess it means a change needs to be done and players support the idea.

Should we include a pool to set the Range for the medals?


That along with HA's attack to everyone on his friends list, haha.

This is a good idea in theory, but my major concern is still the idea that since this medal system would be redone, what about the others? Not saying they should be, but wouldn't this set a precedent that they had to be?

-rd


Actually it was to my tourney list not my friends list--many players on that do not like me--trust me --lol

You have to start somewhere--like I said--they never knew tourneys would grow to this extreme.
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby jrh_cardinal on Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:03 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
jricart wrote:Wow, 4 pages already in less than 24hrs. I guess it means a change needs to be done and players support the idea.

Should we include a pool to set the Range for the medals?


That along with HA's attack to everyone on his friends list, haha.

This is a good idea in theory, but my major concern is still the idea that since this medal system would be redone, what about the others? Not saying they should be, but wouldn't this set a precedent that they had to be?

-rd

the only "others" are maps, GA, and GC.
I don't think anyone has more than 10 GA or GC, and I'd set that limit much lower before the strategy guide project.
The person with the most maps is cairnswk, he's at 28. I doubt anyone else is over 15. So this will affect one mapmaker soon, and no one else.
I think we're fine implementing this only considering tournaments.
(I support the idea of just adding more of the same version of medals, not bronze/silver/gold)
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby sniffie on Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:49 pm

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Best suggestion in a long time!
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby Nicho on Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:00 pm

Sounds and looks great to me
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby benga on Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:48 am

Medals should be separated for your own and for rescued tournaments.

Also franchise tournaments should have their own designed medals,
as every Ga medal should be unique.
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Re: New Tournament Medals!

Postby Blitzaholic on Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:53 am

HighlanderAttack wrote:I think:

Bronze -1-10
Silver -11-24
Gold -25-49
Platinum-50-99

Oh I added one :)


Diamond-100+

I added one too !
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby greenoaks on Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:14 pm

benga wrote:Medals should be separated for your own and for rescued tournaments.

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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby jricart on Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:08 pm

benga wrote:Medals should be separated for your own and for rescued tournaments.

Also franchise tournaments should have their own designed medals,
as every Ga medal should be unique.


Nice idea too!
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Re: New Tournament Medals! [Stickied ~TFO]

Postby Blitzaholic on Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:45 am

Jricart, why not add a poll?

seems most are in favor of your suggestion.
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