POLICE JUST KNOCKED AT MY DOOR

[mpjh]

Gosh, you would fit right in to our wonderful prison system.

[HapSmo19]

Not as well as our wonderful prison system would fit into you.

[Joshua Hayden]

This whole thread is most interesting - and it very much illuminates the difference between say, Iraq and the US.

Iraq: people choose / chose to NOT fight back under a corrupt regime / criminals / thugs, and risk everything for their own freedom (thus we had to come in and friggin do it for them).

US: enough people have chosen to risk everything for freedom (and living under the rule of law), that we earned it in 1782, and still have it today thanks to those willing to do what it takes when the situation demands it.

[pridekiller]

no snitching is a very good thing NO SNITCHING PEOPEL

[Aaron Soave]

Your logic in this thread is about as good as your logic in CC games.

[thegreekdog]

Annnnnd... we're locked.

[Phatscotty]

The police just knocked on my door and asked me to step outside with them to look at my fence....

I guess CHP chased 2 suspects on probation. The 2 ditched their car, hopped a few fences and ditched their gun in my front yard, then hopped my fence, breaking it, then hopped my neighbors fence.

They asked if I saw anything (which I saw the whole thing), I thought for a 2nd and told them i didnt but if i thought of anything i'd give them a call.

In the bay area theres NO SNITCHING!!!!!

Either way theyll get caught and i get a new fence. Just happened

no snitching huh. I might assume that there will be a bunch more crime then? I mean, if the rule is "helping people not get caught for crimes committed" then yeah, more crime...

Nice environment. Keep up the good work.

[The Bison King]

I don't know, I can't really fault him for not snitching if he didn't want to. He doesn't know the story behind what happened, for all he knows it was a misunderstanding. I don't know if I would have or not. I probably would have because I'd be pissed about them breaking my fence, so I'd want to get back at them for that. However, I don't think it's necessarily morally wrong to with hold information if you do not want to become involved.

[Phatscotty]

I don't know, I can't really fault him for not snitching if he didn't want to. He doesn't know the story behind what happened, for all he knows it was a misunderstanding. I don't know if I would have or not. I probably would have because I'd be pissed about them breaking my fence, so I'd want to get back at them for that. However, I don't think it's necessarily morally wrong to with hold information if you do not want to become involved.

it depends. if someone is running from the police, the do not have much to lose, as it is most likely it's someone with 2 strikes and will die before they get sent back to jail. In that case, those people usually ending up taking a hostage and killing as many as possible including themselves in the end.

Guess how many times a young, asspiring criminal says "What if someone sees us?" I fear the answer is "Don't worry, nobody will say shit anyways" It just emboldens them.

[2dimes]

While obviously citizens need to assist law inforcement for two reasons. a) They are a huge potential resource. b) If no one else comes forward, not only is there less witnesses to convict criminals it allows police officers to tell their side unchallenged. Opening the door to potential abuse and false arrests due to mistakes or out right corruption.

CHP chased 2 suspects on probation.

That would lead me to believe they had knowledge of the guys they were after.
I'm not sure what he would added information he would have to offer in a statement from watching them run off through the crack in the window shade.

I think it's rational to be concerned about them returning later if he snitches. He thought they potentially know where he lives since they crashed into his fence and dumped their guns. If the legal system could actually deal with them and protect him from future incounters I'm sure he'd be much more apt to want to get involved. However when you hear so many stories about, "Suspects being released after 3 days on technicality or just put on probation because what ever they did wasn't deemed serious enough." It was only assault they didn't kill anyone. Do you really want to risk getting a beating?

Go ahead and pretend you're too hard to be afraid of them. You have no idea who they are. They might well be just a couple of kids that you could smack around or they could be quite adept at smaking you around. Only one way to find out, do you feel lucky?

[jay_a2j]

no snitching huh. I might assume that there will be a bunch more crime then? I mean, if the rule is "helping people not get caught for crimes committed" then yeah, more crime...

Nice environment. Keep up the good work.

My occupation allows for me to work with people who hold the code of "no snitching" above almost everything else. Both "clients" and co-workers. I tell the inmates, if you don't want the consequences for doing something, the best way to avoid them is, NOT TO DO IT in the first place. I tell them, "If you ever get thrown under a bus, don't complain, because YOU are the one that caused the bus to be there". It's called taking responsibility for your actions. At work the say that INTEGRITY is doing the right thing even when nobody is looking. I say it is doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. But don't get mad at others because they saw you "do dirt" and then "snitch", stop doing dirt!

[Phatscotty]

no snitching huh. I might assume that there will be a bunch more crime then? I mean, if the rule is "helping people not get caught for crimes committed" then yeah, more crime...

Nice environment. Keep up the good work.

My occupation allows for me to work with people who hold the code of "no snitching" above almost everything else. Both "clients" and co-workers. I tell the inmates, if you don't want the consequences for doing something, the best way to avoid them is, NOT TO DO IT in the first place. I tell them, "If you ever get thrown under a bus, don't complain, because YOU are the one that caused the bus to be there". It's called taking responsibility for your actions. At work the say that INTEGRITY is doing the right thing even when nobody is looking. I say it is doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. But don't get mad at others because they saw you "do dirt" and then "snitch", stop doing dirt!

changing the world, one issue at a time

[PLAYER57832]

I don't know, I can't really fault him for not snitching if he didn't want to. He doesn't know the story behind what happened, for all he knows it was a misunderstanding. I don't know if I would have or not. I probably would have because I'd be pissed about them breaking my fence, so I'd want to get back at them for that. However, I don't think it's necessarily morally wrong to with hold information if you do not want to become involved.

I believe that deciding innocence or guilt is the purpose of the justice system? Not private individuals.

If that person just left off hurting my kids, or even just busting up my property, and you stood by doing nothing, I would be pissed. If the runners are innocent... either you believe in the justice system or you don't.

The "no snitching" bit might do well if you are talking about kids you know, who you know have parents who are going to give a hoot or if its an adult you know is not truly a harmful person. It is also perfectly OK when you know that the people being saught are truly innocent, have done nothing, are being framed, etc. However, to just not help on "principle" means you pretty much are letting the criminals and not laws and our justice system dictate what happens in your community.

[Evil Semp]

When they get caught they have to pay for my fence. I should thank them that shit was falling off its hinges anyway.

How is your new fence?

[Borderdawg]

This is a funny thread!! I got lots of chuckles reading it! That being said, I'm really glad I live in a state with a "castle" law. That kind of shit happens here, I can just shot the bastards and be done with it!! And I would/will/have!!

[jonesthecurl]

no snitching huh. I might assume that there will be a bunch more crime then? I mean, if the rule is "helping people not get caught for crimes committed" then yeah, more crime...

Nice environment. Keep up the good work.

My occupation allows for me to work with people who hold the code of "no snitching" above almost everything else. Both "clients" and co-workers. I tell the inmates, if you don't want the consequences for doing something, the best way to avoid them is, NOT TO DO IT in the first place. I tell them, "If you ever get thrown under a bus, don't complain, because YOU are the one that caused the bus to be there". It's called taking responsibility for your actions. At work the say that INTEGRITY is doing the right thing even when nobody is looking. I say it is doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. But don't get mad at others because they saw you "do dirt" and then "snitch", stop doing dirt!

Jay, this is exactly why I don't dislike you, however wildly I disagree with you, and no matter how delusional I feel you are on , well, most stuff.

You have a moral core that is fundamentally right and good.

You say "Don't snitch" means " shut up when someone else does something wrong".

And you spotlight exactly what is wrong with this.

Although I grew up in a culture that held this as a fundamental principle, I have never understood it.
I understand "I don't think this thing is wrong, so I'll say nothing".

But I don't understand "I won't say who mugged my next door neighbour" or "I won't say who raped your sister"

[Phatscotty]

thank you

[PLAYER57832]

no snitching huh. I might assume that there will be a bunch more crime then? I mean, if the rule is "helping people not get caught for crimes committed" then yeah, more crime...

Nice environment. Keep up the good work.

My occupation allows for me to work with people who hold the code of "no snitching" above almost everything else. Both "clients" and co-workers. I tell the inmates, if you don't want the consequences for doing something, the best way to avoid them is, NOT TO DO IT in the first place. I tell them, "If you ever get thrown under a bus, don't complain, because YOU are the one that caused the bus to be there". It's called taking responsibility for your actions. At work the say that INTEGRITY is doing the right thing even when nobody is looking. I say it is doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. But don't get mad at others because they saw you "do dirt" and then "snitch", stop doing dirt!

Jay, this is exactly why I don't dislike you, however wildly I disagree with you, and no matter how delusional I feel you are on , well, most stuff.

You have a moral core that is fundamentally right and good.

You say "Don't snitch" means " shut up when someone else does something wrong".

And you spotlight exactly what is wrong with this.

Although I grew up in a culture that held this as a fundamental principle, I have never understood it.
I understand "I don't think this thing is wrong, so I'll say nothing".

But I don't understand "I won't say who mugged my next door neighbour" or "I won't say who raped your sister"

Better put than my earlier post, particularly the highlighted part.

But I did touch on something else. The key is that many people in our country just don't trust our justice system. When a judge/police officer is some remote guy who takes away your friends and relatives, when you see the criminals and know you will have to deal with them long before any police.. then "no snitching" seems pretty sensible. The answer is multiple. Above all, we must work harder than ever to ensure that our justice system truly targets those who are harmful criminals. More and more today, they wind up concentrating on others.

[jay_a2j]

Better put than my earlier post, particularly the highlighted part.

But I did touch on something else. The key is that many people in our country just don't trust our justice system. When a judge/police officer is some remote guy who takes away your friends and relatives, when you see the criminals and know you will have to deal with them long before any police.. then "no snitching" seems pretty sensible. The answer is multiple. Above all, we must work harder than ever to ensure that our justice system truly targets those who are harmful criminals. More and more today, they wind up concentrating on others.

I believe in absolute right and wrong. So it doesn't matter if the system is corrupt or not. Do the right thing anyway. My trust is not in the justice system, it's in God.

[PLAYER57832]

Better put than my earlier post, particularly the highlighted part.

But I did touch on something else. The key is that many people in our country just don't trust our justice system. When a judge/police officer is some remote guy who takes away your friends and relatives, when you see the criminals and know you will have to deal with them long before any police.. then "no snitching" seems pretty sensible. The answer is multiple. Above all, we must work harder than ever to ensure that our justice system truly targets those who are harmful criminals. More and more today, they wind up concentrating on others.

I believe in absolute right and wrong. So it doesn't matter if the system is corrupt or not. Do the right thing anyway. My trust is not in the justice system, it's in God.

I agree, but not everyone has those morals. And, as society, we have to deal with that reality.

And... per the absolute right and wrong. Yes, it is there. However humans are imperfect and therefore cannot see perfectly that vision of right and wrong. That is why even supposedly Godly Christians sometimes do things that wind up being truly terrible.