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hairy potter wrote:war of independence - helped by the french
hairy potter wrote:ww2 - let everyone else batter themselves into the ground and then strode around going 'LOL WE PWN YOU'. plus, the russians did all the real leg work.ww1 - read these statistics and then try and pretend you had anything to do with ww1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_ ... statistics
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:Is a victor in a war who racked-up the most casualties or had the most of its cities destroyed? Or, is victor in a war who racked-up the fewest casualties and got to impose its will on the other belligerents post-belum?
Wars are won by knowing when to enter, exit, with whom to ally and what the minimum commitment is necessary to achieve objectives. The fact the U.S. manipulated Britain into spending its resources to help the U.S. achieve global preeminence (a move that came back to sting both Britain and France in Suez ten years later) just means the U.S. is an able tactician and Britain a willing dupe.
hairy potter wrote:elizabeth II is still head of state of 16 different countries. barack obama is head of one, shit, one.
saxitoxin wrote:I disagree. The world could have 50 billion people and, I think, the U.S. would still win a war in which you lined up the world's armies on one line and those of the U.S. on the other. The technological high-ground owned by the U.S. is breathtaking to the point of having no historical precedent.
While, virtually without exception, the world's military forces are relegated to buying off-the-shelf weapons systems, the global warfighting technology of the U.S. is fifty years beyond the most advanced platforms in the public eye.
I hate to say it but, if a situation existed where the U.S. truly felt the need to pull aside its kimono, the absolute and unchecked terror it could inflict on a battlefield of numerically superior adversaries would be unlike anything ever seen. Occupying territory would be a different matter, however.
The U.S.' most potent fear is a popular liberation action, against which its technology is useless.
hairy potter wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Is a victor in a war who racked-up the most casualties or had the most of its cities destroyed? Or, is victor in a war who racked-up the fewest casualties and got to impose its will on the other belligerents post-belum?
Wars are won by knowing when to enter, exit, with whom to ally and what the minimum commitment is necessary to achieve objectives. The fact the U.S. manipulated Britain into spending its resources to help the U.S. achieve global preeminence (a move that came back to sting both Britain and France in Suez ten years later) just means the U.S. is an able tactician and Britain a willing dupe.
a true victor is someone who actually puts some back into the fight from beginning to end, not the person who sits to one side and then sucker punches the already staggering opponent. america joined the first world war half way through 1917, by which point everyone else had already made colossal sacrifices. the reason i quoted the low amount of casualties you suffered is because it shows that you didn't really put any resource into the war. if you had, your total would be higher. don't even try and pretend that it's because your military were better fighters; everyone was as shit as everyone else back then. face it - you didn't really take part.
as for global preeminence, i don't recall america ever having an empire such as this:
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/timeline ... es1924.htm
elizabeth II is still head of state of 16 different countries. barack obama is head of one, shit, one.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:1 - a true victor is not someone who waves their flag longest as you say; it's whoever wins with least cost ... if the US is cunning enough to get you to be their fetch-man then kudos to them and demerit to the resident dupe
2 - I'm not American
3 - I don't doubt the awe of Bavarian Betty being titular ruler of Barbados and Jamaica in addition to the EU's North Sea Province
Brazil and maybe Mexico would most likely be overwhelmed by the rest of South America, which could serve as a landing base for whoever wants to head their operations there for a closer assault on the US. So whatever country that has weak power projection like China could simply land their troops in South America and head north.
Timminz wrote:Joe McCarthy wrote:The US and the West will eventually lose the actual war, which is demographics. In Europe the birthrates are way below replacement, in the US only a little better. There are a heck of alot more people that hate Western culture than like it, and they are multiplying while the West is dying off. They dont even need tanks to take over. All they need to do is what they are doing, having a bunch of babies and moving to western countries. In Europe it's already been happening for a while and the US will follow suit eventually. We are toast, what we see around us is the ending of a civilization.
Yeah, all those people who are migrating from "eastern" to "western" places, are totally doing it because they hate the lifestyle of the places they're moving to, and are actually just planning to change them into something exactly like the places they moved away from in the first place. It makes so much sense, I can't believe it's only total nutters who claim things like this.

hairy potter wrote:saxitoxin wrote:1 - a true victor is not someone who waves their flag longest as you say; it's whoever wins with least cost ... if the US is cunning enough to get you to be their fetch-man then kudos to them and demerit to the resident dupe
2 - I'm not American
3 - I don't doubt the awe of Bavarian Betty being titular ruler of Barbados and Jamaica in addition to the EU's North Sea Province
1 - as i said before, sneaking in at the end with a sucker punch is no victory. it's just picking over the carcass of someone else's work.
2 - and yet you suck up to them as if they're trying to steal your lunch money
3 - where are you from that has such an awesome military history?
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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BigBallinStalin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:I disagree. The world could have 50 billion people and, I think, the U.S. would still win a war in which you lined up the world's armies on one line and those of the U.S. on the other. The technological high-ground owned by the U.S. is breathtaking to the point of having no historical precedent.
While, virtually without exception, the world's military forces are relegated to buying off-the-shelf weapons systems, the global warfighting technology of the U.S. is fifty years beyond the most advanced platforms in the public eye.
I hate to say it but, if a situation existed where the U.S. truly felt the need to pull aside its kimono, the absolute and unchecked terror it could inflict on a battlefield of numerically superior adversaries would be unlike anything ever seen. Occupying territory would be a different matter, however.
The U.S.' most potent fear is a popular liberation action, against which its technology is useless.
As far as occupying territory is considered, I'll agree with you on that, but regarding the US's extreme technological advantage consider this:
Our high-tech military is extremely reliant on satellite communication and computer systems safety. The Chinese already have the capability of blinding satellites and temporarily shutting down the DoD's computer systems and taking extremely top secret files. And that's happened at peace time. During war, our satellites system would be completely demolished by enemy missiles, and the damage incurred upon all of our computer systems by unhindered and nonstop cyber-attacks would be substantial.
With those systems down, the US military loses its huge advantage in technological superiority, and thus would be beaten.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:1 - This is a very respectable, 18th century view of what constitutes victory, I'll concede that. Victory equals success, regardless of how it is achieved. The fact that the EU's North Sea Province's own military forces are under US operational control (see: "The Myth of Britain's Independent Deterrent" - http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 13320.html), the fact that the neo-fascist German state intelligence services report to a clearinghouse in DC (see: "The German Card" by the retired G2 of the GDR defense forces), etc. acts as proof point to your moronic, sentimental, teary-eyed flag waving of a pretend flag flying over a pretend nation.
2 - I think the history of my comments on this site are adequate to dismiss this notion with a light chuckle.
3 - Saxony in the former German Democratic Republic. As far as "awesome military history", I think one's accomplishments are the province of oneself, not hundred year-old dead people who one claims some psychic lineage. Working graveyard at the Shop 'n Go while roaring triumphantly on a message board does not make one part of any "awesome military history."
nietzsche wrote:If the US were to declare war to the entire world, in a crazy ass WWIII with a few allies like Mexico, Canada and Brazil, who would win?
I'd like to know how far ahead in the armament race the US are.
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hairy potter wrote:saxitoxin wrote:1 - This is a very respectable, 18th century view of what constitutes victory, I'll concede that. Victory equals success, regardless of how it is achieved. The fact that the EU's North Sea Province's own military forces are under US operational control (see: "The Myth of Britain's Independent Deterrent" - http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 13320.html), the fact that the neo-fascist German state intelligence services report to a clearinghouse in DC (see: "The German Card" by the retired G2 of the GDR defense forces), etc. acts as proof point to your moronic, sentimental, teary-eyed flag waving of a pretend flag flying over a pretend nation.
2 - I think the history of my comments on this site are adequate to dismiss this notion with a light chuckle.
3 - Saxony in the former German Democratic Republic. As far as "awesome military history", I think one's accomplishments are the province of oneself, not hundred year-old dead people who one claims some psychic lineage. Working graveyard at the Shop 'n Go while roaring triumphantly on a message board does not make one part of any "awesome military history."
1 - all i see is some bullshit about nukes. i think you're confusing 'who has nukes' with 'what constitutes an actual victory'. let me put it to you like this: a rugby team plays for 75 minutes, and the score is 23-23. they then sub on a fresh player, who scores a try and wins the game. is the victory that player's, or the team's?
2 - well you sure were sticking that nose good and deep into that arse when you were heaping praise onto america's ww1 strategy
3 - your location on your profile says 'united states'; are you one of those americans who likes to pretend they're european? either way, the past achievements of your country and countrymen are the foundations of your culture and what make your country the place it is today. i love the uk and i'm proud of our heritage. maybe if your legacy didn't include a holocaust you'd understand.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:1 - A football team plays to a 3-2 game. The guys who got the 2 put a lot of heart into it and played with good sportsmanship. The guys who got the 3 still won. The UK is a mere puppet, a client state of the U.S. It's a simple and well-known fact. Bavarian Betty can't break wind at Balmoral without the US permission.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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hairy potter wrote:i love the uk and i'm proud of our heritage.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Joe McCarthy wrote:Timminz wrote:Joe McCarthy wrote:The US and the West will eventually lose the actual war, which is demographics. In Europe the birthrates are way below replacement, in the US only a little better. There are a heck of alot more people that hate Western culture than like it, and they are multiplying while the West is dying off. They dont even need tanks to take over. All they need to do is what they are doing, having a bunch of babies and moving to western countries. In Europe it's already been happening for a while and the US will follow suit eventually. We are toast, what we see around us is the ending of a civilization.
Yeah, all those people who are migrating from "eastern" to "western" places, are totally doing it because they hate the lifestyle of the places they're moving to, and are actually just planning to change them into something exactly like the places they moved away from in the first place. It makes so much sense, I can't believe it's only total nutters who claim things like this.
You clearly haven't given this two seconds worth of thought so let me help. They are moving to the West because their civilization has produced no institutions that work apart from Islam. They cant stay where they are if they want to make a living. So they have to come West, and they bring with them the only part of their culture that has held up, their faith. If you want to believe they are coming because they want to join our civilization look at Europe right now and the state it's in. These are folks that want Sharia in the West and say so. In any poll you look at of the newcomers, the majority not only want Sharia, they think committing violence to get it is a good thing.
When you add all that plus the fact that they are reproducing well above replacement rate while Europe is well below it, its clear where the continent is headed. We will have Sharia in parts of Europe in the next few decades, its just a fact.
saxitoxin wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:I disagree. The world could have 50 billion people and, I think, the U.S. would still win a war in which you lined up the world's armies on one line and those of the U.S. on the other. The technological high-ground owned by the U.S. is breathtaking to the point of having no historical precedent.
While, virtually without exception, the world's military forces are relegated to buying off-the-shelf weapons systems, the global warfighting technology of the U.S. is fifty years beyond the most advanced platforms in the public eye.
I hate to say it but, if a situation existed where the U.S. truly felt the need to pull aside its kimono, the absolute and unchecked terror it could inflict on a battlefield of numerically superior adversaries would be unlike anything ever seen. Occupying territory would be a different matter, however.
The U.S.' most potent fear is a popular liberation action, against which its technology is useless.
As far as occupying territory is considered, I'll agree with you on that, but regarding the US's extreme technological advantage consider this:
Our high-tech military is extremely reliant on satellite communication and computer systems safety. The Chinese already have the capability of blinding satellites and temporarily shutting down the DoD's computer systems and taking extremely top secret files. And that's happened at peace time. During war, our satellites system would be completely demolished by enemy missiles, and the damage incurred upon all of our computer systems by unhindered and nonstop cyber-attacks would be substantial.
With those systems down, the US military loses its huge advantage in technological superiority, and thus would be beaten.
Like the so-called "EMP" threat to the US, I think - if one were to navigate the innermost corridors of the Pentagon - the vulnerability of the US satellite network would seem not as threatening as USAF generals breathlessly make it out to be in appropriations committee hearings.
But I concede I could well be wrong.
BBS wrote:Good point, but seeing that neither of us can or has navigated the corridors of the Pentagon, we'll just leave it with your conceding that you might be wrong. But like the power-hungry savage that Hitler is, I DEMAND MORE LEBENSRAUM! The Rhineland is not enough, saxi! I need a Czechoslovakia of a concession until I claim to be satisfied... [/end BBS'ing]
Phatscotty wrote:America has such technology that we would consider losing a major city before we would consider letting people know "it" exists and that "it" is even possible.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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maasman wrote:I don't think any power on earth could possibly hope to conquer the US and hope to hold the territory. The only way to achieve this that I see is
1. Destroy every bit of civilization the US has and bring the entire country to a scrap heap.
2. Somehow manage to have a strong enough military force occupying the the entire country to keep everyone in line, but I think it would revert to #1 at that point.
Also, as far as the navy/ocean comments earlier, the US has the #1 and #3 navies in the world because the coast guard isn't counted in the actual navies numbers. The amount of aircraft carriers the US has are probably enough to annihilate any country they so desire. I think that is sufficient to suppress the vast majority of the world's shipping lanes. The navy combined with a strategic use of air power could render most of the world's counter attack capabilities void. Another side I"m seeing is the political. If the US were to win some decisive battles early and appear to be very strong, I see them gaining allies around the globe, further undermining the resistance to their goals of world domination. As far as economic strength, the US has enough natural resources at its disposal to probably wage a decade long war and sustain it well, especially if the resources of Mexico and Canada are thrown in. For the satellite part, this could be a tripping point, but if the US were to destroy the opposing powers space viability in one swift attack, then I don't see this as being an issue. Space launches are expensive and to rebuild the entire complex after a bombing would take time and be difficult.
saxitoxin wrote:
Only Cuba and DPRK, perhaps a few others, are truly free nations.
