Platoon Mafia - VC lynched! Survivors win!

[ga7]

Heh heh heh. I like how with almost no votes and instead of explaining why he didn't vote Talapus ("oh noes voting scum would affiliate me!" ), PCM just claims. Not buying it, although Junior is quite minor also but Saf made his actions way clearer and I also believe there's at least a scum with these two. We could have both LSU & Icedagger replaced at this pt btw Nag.

Vote Pancake

[ga7]

Wait, we have 4 inactives? pfffffff...

[strike wolf]

You may have to explain this to me but even distancing yourself from the person you are aligned with I do not see why you would start a legitimate bandwagon against someone that you knew not only to be a townie but also an important role in this game.

vote PCM

[mandalorian2298]

First off I would like to apologize for my lack of activities to my fellow players (Nag, we can talk about my activity after you post a few vote counts in a row without being begged to do it. ). Weather has been asphalt-melting for the last couple of days so my energy level resembled that of a sloth on morphine (especially since given the choice between air conditioner and an open window I decided against suffocating in cigarette smoke and kept the window open). Luckily, the blessed rain fell yesterday, so after a wonderful day (which peaked when I exited the bus without sweat pouring out of every pore of my body, marinading my shirt with stale stink that I can enjoy over the rest of my work day ) I am ready to contribute by agreeing with other people's ideas. I briefly considered posting something during 3 hours at work when I basically wasn't doing anything (I repeat, a wonderful day ) but I couldn't remember whether I called my job a sweat shop here or in the Clue Mafia, so I decided against risking my employer's wrath or, worse, a motivational speech about all the reasons why I should care about the company.

Anyhow, here are two main schools of though that I support:

Going down the list and looking back I see safariguy as the best candidate for the next lynch. I know that he has claimed to be Barnes affiliated, yet I feel some doubt about this.

I have was not told who or how many people are allied with me.

That's really wierd if that is a mechanic of the game. It would make sense for Barnes and Elias to know the identities of all of their supporters and also for their supporters to not know anyone but Elias or Barnes, but doesn't make a lot of sense vice versa. While I still feel like Mandy costing us a townie was bad, I'm more concerned about this whole spiesr versus talapus thing. For now, I'll unvote

What he says he has some potential issues. Why is he confused about how knowledge within the town factions works? If he is who he says he is shouldn't he have a decent idea of how much the faction members know about their fellow members?

In my opinion he also seemed, now potentially suspiciously, somewhat reluctant to lynch talapus. Scum buddy perhaps? He seemed rather attached to the idea of the easy lynch on mandorlian, only switching away from that on the same page as the day kill. Even then, he doesn't show any real animosity towards talapus, just says that me vs talapus was taking over from the mandorlian case.

First of all, who the hell is 'mandorlian'!? Second of all, given your record so far, the quality of your reasoning here and the fact I know you are not scum, I am totally prepared to vote for safari.

Heh heh heh. I like how with almost no votes and instead of explaining why he didn't vote Talapus ("oh noes voting scum would affiliate me!" ), PCM just claims. Not buying it, although Junior is quite minor also but Saf made his actions way clearer and I also believe there's at least a scum with these two. We could have both LSU & Icedagger replaced at this pt btw Nag.

Vote Pancake

On one hand, PCM was on top of my suspect list, during the days I didn't post, mainly because of his 'fade into the background' style of play. On the other hand, PCM's claim is very believable, even given fake claim that were handed to VC's. Rhah is definitely one of the main supporting characters in the movie, definitely a good guy and he even gets promoted in the end. If I was going to choose four pro-Elias characters then Rhah would probably be one of them.

On the third hand have this:

Safari knew there were alignments within town (as far as I could tell). He was merely wondering aloud whether these factions win separately, and I feel that there is a lot of validity to that notion.

Anyway, Vote Mandy because based on the assessment that we will either lose a mad townie or a mad scum, I don't think we have anything to lose in his lynch.

So, you either don't belong to fraction, which gives a high likelyhood of you being scum, or you are Barnes and you have realized from my post that I played how I played because I have been tasked with protecting the worst player in the Western hemisphere (edited within quote: Sorry about that Spiesr, it was written before you begun to kick ass ). Either way, unvote vote pancakemix in blind hope that he is sgt. Barnes and not one of his cronies.

That's a very blind hope. Very blind, indeed. It probably hinges on me having seen the movie, and like Tal, I've been living in a hole all my life. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Please point out the flaw in my logic, but I can't see why a player would have to see the movie to know about the fractions if he actually belonged to one. And PCM claims pro-Elias. Now, Rhah is likely to be pro-Elias, but, given the number of characters in the movie, it could also be the best of the fake Scum-claims, which would mean the PCM, if he is indeed VC is the Godfather.


FOS Safari and Pancakemix. Spiesr, given how good my reasoning and your reasoning have been in this game (and the fact that you outrank me ). I don't want to jump on Pancake-wagon without your blessing. What say you?

[ga7]

Oh I just realized why I was finding PCM much more fishy. In day 1...

Ok, I did find something which made me tick but it involves battling Mandy with a slice of bread for 4 days under the sun and I don't think I have that kind of energy for day 1. I do wonder though why I'm getting wagonned for voting a (now) inactive when Pancake did exactly the same thing here minus reasoning:

Just to let you know guys, theres a 90% chance I wont be online for the next week but please let me keep my place!!

If you wish that place to be swinging from the gallows, then can be arranged . LOL, thanks for the heads up. We won't bandwagon the 90% chance absent person....

Well... not too much...

Unvote Vote cena

And got a FOS out of it. Sure I wasn't active at that time, but neither has Pcm since then. I'm not particularly finding it fishy except it looks more like a lazy move, but I wonder why my accusers didn't notice it

I think I got off the hook a little more because mine was a joke vote. That said, what you say is true; I haven't been able to post lately and the double standard here is apparent. FOS the bandwagoners, but Unvote vote spiesr because first he criticizes an inactivity bandwagon vote...

Any reason for choosing that particular bandwagon?

... and then does it himself.

Well, ga7 said he should be available tomorrow. I think that, in the interests of pursuing about the only thing we have going, I will up his vote count to 4 to give him something to do when he gets here.
Unvote Vote ga7

Not only is this hypocritical, it is also pointless. Ga7 needed no pressure, his already high vote count is acknowledged in the post, and that cryptic comment about giving him something to do sounds awfully odd to me. Care to explain that?

Thus basically starting the bandwagon on Spiesr. He only unvoted (not changed his vote, unvoted) when it was obvious AoG was gonna get lynched. All this being supposedly Elias affiliated. Uhuh, p-p-pwnnnnnedddddd

[ga7]

Lol I reread again to update my list and should stop skimming since Strike wolf had pointed out that PCM can't be Elias affiliated already twice
Anyway some points of interest...

-Spiesr seemed surprised when the daykill happened, which means Barnes probably did it. Which means he's not a total inactive. I think Thezz just got modkilled but maybe not, Nag could you tell us if Thezz was a modkill?

-Let's remember that if anyone ends up claiming barnes, we'll have to look at all their votes against since we know most Barnes followers.

- At this point Saf looks pretty legit (at worst we can pressure him so he claims who's Barnes ) but this quote by PCM makes me doubt:

Safari knew there were alignments within town (as far as I could tell). He was merely wondering aloud whether these factions win separately, and I feel that there is a lot of validity to that notion.

Anyway, Vote Mandy because based on the assessment that we will either lose a mad townie or a mad scum, I don't think we have anything to lose in his lynch.

I'm assuming PCM is scum of course, so I'm not sure if this was something trying to tie Saf to him or just defending his scumbuddy. I normally wouldn't take PCM for someone who does that but looking back he had tied himself to Tal with the same kind of post.

Now the list... My main question is whether there's 2 or 3 scum. 2 would make 6 in each faction, which is big but not impossible, while 3 would make it uneven with 11 left. Nag tends to put lots of scum in his games but 4 VC with the two factions like that would be ridiculous.

Elias faction:

4. Spiesr - Sgt Elias
1. Mandalorian2298 - Pvt Taylor
14. Ga7 - Coolest mofo in the jungle
3. Thezzaruz (r lovo) - Pvt Gardner - Dead


Barnes faction:

Barnes - Unknown
8. Strike Wolf - Pvt Bunny
1. Army of GOD - Lt Wolfe - Dead
2. Mr Squirrel - Sgt. O' Neil - Dead
9. Safariguy5 - claimed Pvt Junior


Barnes or VC (voted Elias):

10. /
12. cena-rules


Unknown:

5. Icedagger
13. LSU Tiger Josh


VC:
6. Pancakemix
3. Talapus - Dead


Looking at this I think if Saf didn't fakeclaim there's only Barnes left, so an additional scum would more likely be found in / or Cena rather than LSU or Icedagger. Not sure, I guess we'll see who dies.

[ga7]

Here's a vote count since teh mod sucks and it's too hot to do much here

pcm (2) ga7 strike wolf
mandy (1) - pcm
10 alive, 6 to lynch

... Prod people Nag please, we won't even be able to get a lynch with all the inactives.

[nagerous]

I'll send out prods and there have been no modkills.

[strike wolf]

I'll send out prods and there have been no modkills.

thezzarus wasn't a mod-kill?

[safariguy5]

Heh heh heh. I like how with almost no votes and instead of explaining why he didn't vote Talapus ("oh noes voting scum would affiliate me!" ), PCM just claims. Not buying it, although Junior is quite minor also but Saf made his actions way clearer and I also believe there's at least a scum with these two. We could have both LSU & Icedagger replaced at this pt btw Nag.

Vote Pancake

Wow, that list is pretty comprehensive. I'd like to point out, having just watched the movie, that Junior gets a lot more meaningful screentime than Rhah does. In that sense, I believe that Junior is a lot less minor than Rhah is. Also, if Big Harold is a fakeclaim, I don't doubt the possibility that Rhah is one too. Judging from the characters claimed by everyone, I'd say you (ga7) are King. I don't buy the PCM claim as him being Elias. I really saw Big Harold more than Rhah. The only really meaningful thing Rhah did was stop Barnes from killing Taylor. Junior had the whole "falling asleep on duty" thing, trying to get sent home for jungle feet, and running from Bunny at the end.

vote PCM

[spiesr]

Wow, that list is pretty comprehensive. I'd like to point out, having just watched the movie, that Junior gets a lot more meaningful screentime than Rhah does. In that sense, I believe that Junior is a lot less minor than Rhah is. Also, if Big Harold is a fakeclaim, I don't doubt the possibility that Rhah is one too. Judging from the characters claimed by everyone, I'd say you (ga7) are King. I don't buy the PCM claim as him being Elias. I really saw Big Harold more than Rhah. The only really meaningful thing Rhah did was stop Barnes from killing Taylor. Junior had the whole "falling asleep on duty" thing, trying to get sent home for jungle feet, and running from Bunny at the end.

With the mod supplying the scum with thier fake claims I wouldn't bother trying to read much into which character is more important than the other. The mod probably just made a list of people who would be in each faction and then semi-randomly left one of those as the scum's fake-claims. An idea this brings up is the possibility of that since the last scum fake claimed a Barnes aligned role then another scum might have an Elias aligned role. So that if a mass claim happened the scum wouldn't be given away too easily by having one faction have way more members if the scum all had their fake-claims in the same faction. This leads me the to think that of all the people to have claimed Elias alignment so far, I see pancakemix as the most likely to be scum at this point. The way I see it, it comes down to pancakemix and safariguy for who I think we should lynch today. At this point I will go with pancakemix.
Vote pancakemix
This will be the fourth vote I believe out of six needed. In this case I am not really sure at what point we stop and what we would actually wait for, as he has already claimed...

[strike wolf]

I say we sit on a vote for a while at least until after we know who's been sucessfully prodded and who gets mod-killed. Knowing the roles of anyone mod-killed should help us determine the alignment of even more people involved in this game.

[mandalorian2298]

As spiesr goes, so goes my nation. unvote (just in case) vote pancakemix.

[ga7]

Agree with Spiesr' take on fakeclaims, though for Rhah he was a bit shifty so not a bad one
I see / and cena posting in another game as recently as yesterday so we know where to look next... When we finally get this done -_-

[pancakemix]

I could try to talk my way out of this, but I really doubt it would do much good. Instead, I'm just going to give a few final thoughts.

I don't trust ga7 or Mandy. Ga7 just strikes me as scummy by the way he's acting like he's town and is beyond reproach. This is typical when he's scum and it strikes me as scary, given that he is one of the best scum players out there. Mandy, on the other hand, keeps sucking up to spiesr and, when I voted him after he suggested we lynch him, tried to play a game of gotcha with me. I don't trust safari either, based on the fact that I'm getting lynched for the same misunderstanding he had.

Finally, I didn't lie and you will regret lynching me. I know, typical scum response, but I really don't get why not understanding a game mechanic is a basis for a lynch (and it is, don't hide it). I could probably go on with that to something broader than this game, but I'll hold my tongue.

[mandalorian2298]

I could try to talk my way out of this, but I really doubt it would do much good. Instead, I'm just going to give a few final thoughts.

I don't trust ga7 or Mandy. Ga7 just strikes me as scummy by the way he's acting like he's town and is beyond reproach. This is typical when he's scum and it strikes me as scary, given that he is one of the best scum players out there. Mandy, on the other hand, keeps sucking up to spiesr and, when I voted him after he suggested we lynch him, tried to play a game of gotcha with me. I don't trust safari either, based on the fact that I'm getting lynched for the same misunderstanding he had.

Finally, I didn't lie and you will regret lynching me. I know, typical scum response, but I really don't get why not understanding a game mechanic is a basis for a lynch (and it is, don't hide it). I could probably go on with that to something broader than this game, but I'll hold my tongue.

Hey, dude caught Talapus in scumminating, which makes him my hero. Besides, I'm compensating for all the insults that I directed towards him back when he played badly.

Because either you (a Vet) haven't understood your own role or you are lying (or you have some excellent explanation why you bandwagoned the guy that you are aligned to on Day 1).

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Agree with Spiesr' take on fakeclaims, though for Rhah he was a bit shifty so not a bad one
I see / and cena posting in another game as recently as yesterday so we know where to look next... When we finally get this done -_-

Yeah I agree wagoning your commander doesn't make sense, but as long as you all are delaying a lynch I don't have a thing to say.....

[mandalorian2298]

Agree with Spiesr' take on fakeclaims, though for Rhah he was a bit shifty so not a bad one
I see / and cena posting in another game as recently as yesterday so we know where to look next... When we finally get this done -_-

Yeah I agree wagoning your commander doesn't make sense, but as long as you all are delaying a lynch I don't have a thing to say.....

I, however, do have something to say. I demand the following players to be substituted:

10. / (15 days between posts and then he pops up to tell us that he has nothing to say. )

12. cena-rules (last post 17 days ago)

5. Icedagger (posted 15 days ago and then one post 7 days ago in which he says: "I'll post something substantial tomorrow once I've had time to reread but a vote count would indeed be nice. He did not.)

13. LSU Tiger Josh (asked for a vote count 8 days ago, has posted nothing else for the last 15 days).

These guys obviously have better things to do then bother to post here. Meanwhile, we need 6 votes out of 10 to lynch someone, 4 people are not playing and pancake is certainly not going to hammer himself.

Nagerus, please find subs ASAP. I would rather play a game with active noobs then with absent hotshots.

[mandalorian2298]

Agree with Spiesr' take on fakeclaims, though for Rhah he was a bit shifty so not a bad one
I see / and cena posting in another game as recently as yesterday so we know where to look next... When we finally get this done -_-

Yeah I agree wagoning your commander doesn't make sense, but as long as you all are delaying a lynch I don't have a thing to say.....

Something just clicked while I was ranting up my previous post. Basically what / is saying here is: "Yes I know that there is no logical reason to doubt that Pancake has been lying about being pro-Elias, but I don't want to hammer my scum-buddy." Thus, if Pancake is scum then so is /.

FOS /'s substitute.

[/]

I'll post, seriously, I'm sorry that I disappeared, I've been busy up until a few days ago, but I'll see this through if you will have me.
Anyhow I meant I want to hammer, but I won't if someone specif ally requests that we don't.

I say we sit on a vote for a while at least until after we know who's been sucessfully prodded and who gets mod-killed. Knowing the roles of anyone mod-killed should help us determine the alignment of even more people involved in this game.

[strike wolf]

well at this point I don't see too much point in not hammering other than waiting to see who has been successfully prodded, who gets replaced and who has to be mod-killed. The only real reason for that is figuring someone did get mod-killed i figured their role alignment would help determine the odds of the remaining unknowns in the game. At this point I do not think that any mod-kills would affect my opinion of PCM so from my stand point I don't really care to wait what others think well that may be different.

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Vote pancakemix

[spiesr]

Vote pancakemix

Well, let's hope that this works out for the best. I was hoping that you would have contributed something to the discussions though. Also, let's hope I survive then night...

[strike wolf]

It's quiet...too quiet.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I'm sorry, but my honeymoon comes first and then moving and not having internet at the new place until now Either way it looks like PCM was hammered so I'll reread over the night phase.