eragon game thread. day 5. end game

[safariguy5]

So now what? If we think spiesr's pm was just poorly worded and not scummy, doesn't that put us back at Square 1?

[safariguy5]

Also, can we get a prod on RE, cubfan, and vodean? I'm seriously going to start voting them for submarining if they don't start posting.

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[naxus]

Also, can we get a prod on RE, cubfan, and vodean? I'm seriously going to start voting them for submarining if they don't start posting.

unvote

wernt they modkilled?

[edocsil]

Naxus are't you dead?

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Sorry I vanished for so long! I've had a busy time these past few weeks.
Not much to go on really, that's the problem with missing the first lynch...
let's see going though the pages again:

Hahaha yeah I believe him i'm a farmer with the same set up but only the role I don't know is active

I find this slightly odd, if you had two inactive members they should possibly be modkilled, I would this your mason would be captainwalrus (Human) then, right?
Well if you are in the same situation as us
Cena (Dwarve)
/(Dwarve)
Rainbow (Dwarve)
Why would you be a "Farmer"?

[naxus]

Naxus are't you dead?

Umm I dont think so but i could be mistaken

[wercool]

the night was a restlest one for many in the kingdom. one of the most restless was the king. he was awake most of the night and in the the deep hours of the night he heard a noise in the ante room the next thing he knew ugals and kulls were storming his room....... naxus town King 1(double voter/1 shot vig/joat) has been stabbed by the kull.
day 1 start

[edocsil]

Post Counts
Gregwolf 7
MeDeFe 10
Cena-Rules 18
Khiva 9
Spiesr 20
UTAlan 0
Thezzaruz 5
/ 5
Edoc'sil 44
Duday 18
Mr. Squirrel 17
Safariguy 16

The six people who haven't role claimed one way or another are Gregwolf, MeDeFe, UTAlan, Thezzaruz, Duday, and Safariguy.

UTAlan has not posted yet, not counting firming, Thezzaruz has not posted anything at all of substance, and nothing recently.

The are only 12 alive by my count, unless naxus isn't actually dead.

Khiva has claimed farmer, but if there is a whole farmer cell (three of them) there would only be 3 scum, possible who knows. I could see him being in a cell with the deceased Cubfanpgh, and one other townie,perhaps we call their cell the villagers, I could easily see that as being their tie together.

I firmly believe that there is a character Angela out there who is either a cop or a poisoner.

I am guessing that there are 3 or 4 living scum, absolute maximum 5 (no space for there to be more, and 1/3 starting as scum seems high)

Personally the only person who strikes me as scummy is MeDeFe, mainly as a process of elimination, Duday and Safariguy strike me as town (gut feel no proof),UTAlan and thezzarus haven't posted much or at all, and Gregwolf is well versed in the Wheel of Time.

My thoughts on how to proceed is either a mass claim, or failing that due to actively protesting scum, voting any of the non claimed people and see what they have too say. Seems to be the most logical way to find out more about the game, it has served us decently so far.

My .02, thought it was worth sharing.

[edocsil]

Sorry I vanished for so long! I've had a busy time these past few weeks.
Not much to go on really, that's the problem with missing the first lynch...
let's see going though the pages again:

Hahaha yeah I believe him i'm a farmer with the same set up but only the role I don't know is active

I find this slightly odd, if you had two inactive members they should possibly be modkilled, I would this your mason would be captainwalrus (Human) then, right?
Well if you are in the same situation as us
Cena (Dwarve)
/(Dwarve)
Rainbow (Dwarve)
Why would you be a "Farmer"?

QFT, I could see him as scum easily, but if he was with UTAlan as some other villager-ish role I cold see him with cubfanpgh, forming his complete cell.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I am edocsil's supposed third mason partner but I am unsure now that he is who he says he is. Mason blocks seem to be set up in threes in this game, but edocsil makes a very suspicious 4th member of our (Me, naxus, and cubfan) group. My pm instructed me that I was masoned with naxus, cubfan, and spiesr but no one else. When edocsil began pming me, I had no idea we were allowed to and I had to pm wercool to confirm the legitimacy of our communication. Originally I thought that edocsil might have been accidently left out of my pm but I dont think that is the case anymore.

I think edocsil is some sort of infiltrator to our mason group. My evidence is as follows:

1) He was not mentioned in my pm. I was told that Naxus was king and cubfan and I were his two guards. Nothing else. And edocsil knew nothing about cubfan. He did not know that he was a part of naxus's and my mason block. And ironically, Edocsil in one of his pm's claimed that his role was identical to mine. If he didnt know about cubfan then he was obviously lying.

2) The NK of naxus seems a little too convenient. While it is still possible to have a lucky hit as scum it definitely doesnt happen a lot.

3) Wercool said my action last night failed. I tried to protect/roleblock safariguy last night but it failed somehow. I must have been roleblocked. Edocsil told me that he tried to protect/roleblock cena last night. Doesnt that seem a little strange? Cena claimed to be a vanilla dwarf and her claim held up. Why would someone protect a 3rd party or roleblock a survivor? Its a complete waste of an ability. Instead I think a mafia roleblocker targeted me based on edocsil's knowledge of my role.

4) Edocsil just pm'd me and asked if he could reveal me as his mason partner because it would add weight to his words. Why would a mason partner want to reveal a power role like that?

In short, having a the king killed in the night and his guard roleblocked seems like an extremely lucky night for scum, too lucky. Trying to protect/roleblock a survivor is a stupid move and even a new mafia player wouldnt do such a thing. Finally, edocsil claimed he was a mason with me, but my original pm did not say he was and when I got clarification from wercool it did not seem like it was a mistake.
unvote vote edocsil

[Khiva]

Oh, my masons were CW and Vodean's second role.

[edocsil]

You’re masoned with cubfan? That explains a lot, I couldn't understand why you were so hesitant to talk to me. I blocked Cena because at the time I did not believe he was a vanilla dwarf, I thought he was at worst scum, at best a third party with unknown intentions and abilities. Also a bit of CYA, notice how he made several accusations of me, I did not exactly make friends with him on day 1.

Naxus knew who I was, and that I was on his side, I have pm's to confirm that, what was odd was that he seemed to think I was a recruiter of some sort. What I am getting at is that what we know of our mason partners may not be true; I think more than a few of the role pm's conflict. This would explain why wercool thought this would be such a twisty game.

If any of my reasoning is faulty, well this is my first game to make it to day 2, I have not had much experience with these games.

I would also like to know how you know your roleblock failed, I received no confirmation that my roleblock was successful of not.

I have no inkling why there are four in this group, I don’t know if others are set up with odd men out. I am telling the hones truth. I am a Jailkeeper, assigned to protect the king. I was told I was his personal bodyguard and that I was masoned with Naxus, squirrel and spiesr. I am town, don't know how to say it any clearer.

Also, I told you my role, Jailkeeper, well before you told me yours, so I did not just go and "copy" your role. Also my claiming of our roles to be identical was true, we are two Jailkeeper assigned to protect the king. I did not intend it to mean that our roles were word for word the same, but I suspected that we were at least able to talk to the same people.

One last thing, did wercool check the pm's he sent to you and I and make sure that they were correct? You mentioned you pm'ed him, but you seem a little unsure about the clarification.

Basically what it comes down to is that I was unaware of cubfan, so you think I am scum. Not terribly illogical, but none the less untrue.

[Khiva]

Well easy enough to solve we'll lynch you and then him if he is lying. You would likely be dead eitherway tonight anyway. Vote Edocsil

Anyway I figure there are only two active scum left if there are three (or four) who know each other/have the same win conditions this game has been almost lost from the beginning, and if they don't they would seem very disadvantaged.

[edocsil]

He isn't lying he is mistaken. Both of us are town, he is just thinks lynching me is a good idea. I am not kidding, if I get lynched don't lynch him, you can't afford to lose that many townies. I am town. He is town. If you lynch me you well find that one out the hard way.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Naxus knew who I was, and that I was on his side, I have pm's to confirm that, what was odd was that he seemed to think I was a recruiter of some sort. What I am getting at is that what we know of our mason partners may not be true; I think more than a few of the role pm's conflict. This would explain why wercool thought this would be such a twisty game.

That's funny because naxus never mentioned you at all. I know he was masoned with me and cubfan, but he never mentioned you in any of his pm's with me.

I would also like to know how you know your roleblock failed, I received no confirmation that my roleblock was successful of not.

I received a pm from wercool that said my night action failed. I assume that means that someone roleblocked me, unless safariguy has any strange role abilities. So if we are to assume that you are not the cause of my roleblock (either directly or indirectly) then that would mean we have at least 4 roleblocking roles in this game. That seems highly unlikely given the fact that we have so many vanillas.

Also, I told you my role, Jailkeeper, well before you told me yours, so I did not just go and "copy" your role. Also my claiming of our roles to be identical was true, we are two Jailkeeper assigned to protect the king. I did not intend it to mean that our roles were word for word the same, but I suspected that we were at least able to talk to the same people.

You may have given your role first, but that doesn't mean its necessarily true. Maybe you somehow knew my role from the beginning. It wouldnt be the first time this has happened in a mafia game.

One last thing, did wercool check the pm's he sent to you and I and make sure that they were correct? You mentioned you pm'ed him, but you seem a little unsure about the clarification.

I'm not sure what I can and cannot say about those pm's, but from the way he said it, it didn't seem like it was just some mistake in my pm.

Basically what it comes down to is that I was unaware of cubfan, so you think I am scum. Not terribly illogical, but none the less untrue.

It comes down to the fact that last night the king was killed and his guard was roleblocked. while this is possible in any mafia game, when there is one shady member of our mason group, I have to assume the worst.

[Khiva]

He isn't lying he is mistaken. Both of us are town, he is just thinks lynching me is a good idea. I am not kidding, if I get lynched don't lynch him, you can't afford to lose that many townies. I am town. He is town. If you lynch me you well find that one out the hard way.

I appreciate you are saying it's a mistake. I'm saying all told one of you has to be lying I hope. Leaving aside that if it's all true we're in a game of 18 with 8 neutral roles and counting, a town of four that has three roleblockers who don't all know each other (and none of whom are particularly eragonish). So that wouldn't be twisty so much as just twisted, but if it is a mistake and you are all town then half of you are dead, the scum know who the other half are, and have a roleblocker of their own. (I would lean towards an unblockable role myself) Luckily half of us are neutral anyway, so it wouldn't be the hard way in any case.

[edocsil]

I am surprised he never mentioned me, I talked quite extensivly with him.

I would agree that there are only the three of us jailkeepers/role blockers in light of recent revelations\. I do not know if anyone kept up with the MW mafia, but there was an interesting character called the busdriver who ... complicated ... matters for both sides of the game. There are more explainations then the conclusion you have jumped to.

We will see if the others agree with you and khiva or not.

[edocsil]

So do the 3rd partiers win if the scum win? That seems possible, but odd. I would assume it would be unfortunate for your average farmer for kull to over run the Empire...

[edocsil]

Triple post, sorry... But hey, my ass is on the line here. Let me put it this way Mr. Squirrel, there are three possibilities. One, I am scum, lynch me and you are the last townie standing and you have killed one of the scum. Congratulations. They night kill you. Option two, I am town, lynch me, feel bad, and get promptly NKed. Option 3, I am town and a roleblocker, the scum now have 2 people to NK. Your odds are now a bit better. Also considering we could yet go on today to lynch a scum, and we also have 2 roleblocks, posible we could continue to live.

[safariguy5]

I'm guessing the 3rd party players are survivors which means they win if they survive the game. As long as they don't get killed before the game ends, they win. This is why I'm leery of 3rd party survivors, because in the Star Wars mafia, the scum convinced them to kill the remaining town power roles and win with the scum.

The evidence for edocil is a bit sketchy. Again, it feels like we're grasping for straws here. I'm more willing to lynch an inactive over possibly killing a town role. Since cubfan has been vouched for to be in a mason group, I'm willing to believe he is town.

unvote vote vodean

[duday53]

Holy shit.

This last two pages is quality mafia! My brain can't even comprehend everything that has been said, but I'll try and give some good info in this post.

I like edocsil's attitude towards this game, you put lots of effort and thought into it and I don't think you are scum.

I firmly believe that there is a character Angela out there who is either a cop or a poisoner.

I am guessing that there are 3 or 4 living scum, absolute maximum 5 (no space for there to be more, and 1/3 starting as scum seems high)

Personally the only person who strikes me as scummy is MeDeFe, mainly as a process of elimination, Duday and Safariguy strike me as town (gut feel no proof),UTAlan and thezzarus haven't posted much or at all, and Gregwolf is well versed in the Wheel of Time.

My thoughts on how to proceed is either a mass claim, or failing that due to actively protesting scum, voting any of the non claimed people and see what they have too say. Seems to be the most logical way to find out more about the game, it has served us decently so far.

Out of the remaining players, one must be eragon (possibly having saphira), and maybe an Angela.To add some info to this, My cell includes only UTAlan and I. I will explain if you want me to claim.

I can verify that edocsil blocked cena because my action got blocked.

About the star wars mafia, I can see a similar thing happening in this game. The 3rd party will just have to pick the stronger side.

[edocsil]

Duday I think you just saved my ass there. Thanks.

My thoughts would be for a mass claim, would love to hear some good arguments about it. It would only be effective if we have all but the scum on board.

And safari, I belive that both of vodean's characters have been mod killed.

[safariguy5]

And safari, I belive that both of vodean's characters have been mod killed.

If that were true, he wouldn't still be listed as under "alive". Also, Rainbow Eater and Thez (as previously mentioned) have contributed nothing to this game.

So for now
FOS RE and Thez for submarining.

[safariguy5]

Oh wait, RE and vodean are listed as dead. It would help if you removed their names from the alive to prevent confusion wercool. In that case...

unvote vote Thezzaurus for submarining.

[spiesr]

So do the 3rd partiers win if the scum win? That seems possible, but odd. I would assume it would be unfortunate for your average farmer for kull to over run the Empire...

Possinly, it depends on their specific conditions, and they might not all be the same. One thought, in a game with as many survivors/third party as this game seems to have the mafia might be required to outnumber all non-mafia, not just all the actual town, in order to win. If this is the case then it would be unwise for all the third partiers to go with the mafia as the mafia would have to kill at least half of them of in order to win.
At this point squirrel's case against ecodsil seems like the best thing we have had all game. It really should get us something to go on by following it up. Vote edocsil