Platoon Mafia - VC lynched! Survivors win!

[ga7]

Uh, well I didn't plan to submarine but I don't really understand why my vote on Saf was unwarranted. I didn't expect him to not answer before being away for 10 days though so it's pretty much a moot point now. I'll reread and see if there's something to answer in detail (that and find an actual case, your wagonning freaks )

[ga7]

Ok, I did find something which made me tick but it involves battling Mandy with a slice of bread for 4 days under the sun and I don't think I have that kind of energy for day 1. I do wonder though why I'm getting wagonned for voting a (now) inactive when Pancake did exactly the same thing here minus reasoning:

Just to let you know guys, theres a 90% chance I wont be online for the next week but please let me keep my place!!

If you wish that place to be swinging from the gallows, then can be arranged . LOL, thanks for the heads up. We won't bandwagon the 90% chance absent person....

Well... not too much...

Unvote Vote cena

And got a FOS out of it. Sure I wasn't active at that time, but neither has Pcm since then. I'm not particularly finding it fishy except it looks more like a lazy move, but I wonder why my accusers didn't notice it

Just make sure that Flores doesn't find out about this demanding housewife, because if she kills you before Thursday then we'll have to lynch you for inactivity.

Lmao, yes I should have put "psycho killer housewife" that fits the bill better

Well, concerning my case I don't know what else to answer, I don't feel there's much of an accusation about that vote and my inactivity was sadly not on purpose. For good or bad I'm free now so it shouldn't happen again.

I'd like to prod Lovo as he seems the closest thing to a real submariner to me so far. He didn't post since he said he was going to watch the movie, and hadn't any content before then. Unvote Vote Lovo

FOS Spiesr as that "Love conquers all old" avi is fishy in our warmongering context

[cena-rules]

Right, well I'm back and all I see is a bandwagon on a frenchie, I disagree with it entirely

Well, ga7 said he should be available tomorrow. I think that, in the interests of pursuing about the only thing we have going, I will up his vote count to 4 to give him something to do when he gets here.
Unvote Vote ga7

The only thing we have going? other than voting someone the was going to be away for 10 days, he has done nothing scummy......Jeez

[Mr. Squirrel]

The only thing we have going? other than voting someone the was going to be away for 10 days, he has done nothing scummy......Jeez

Do you have any other leads?

[safariguy5]

Well, I'm back and battling the stomach flu. Damn my luck. Will read up.

[safariguy5]

Ok, I was dreading showing up and having to wade through a long long post by someone, but thankfully that hasn't happened. While I admit that inactivity is definitely grounds for a lynch, at least cena and myself said that we would be afk. I haven't seen LSU Tiger Josh post much however.

unvote vote LSU Tiger Josh

[pancakemix]

Ok, I did find something which made me tick but it involves battling Mandy with a slice of bread for 4 days under the sun and I don't think I have that kind of energy for day 1. I do wonder though why I'm getting wagonned for voting a (now) inactive when Pancake did exactly the same thing here minus reasoning:

Just to let you know guys, theres a 90% chance I wont be online for the next week but please let me keep my place!!

If you wish that place to be swinging from the gallows, then can be arranged . LOL, thanks for the heads up. We won't bandwagon the 90% chance absent person....

Well... not too much...

Unvote Vote cena

And got a FOS out of it. Sure I wasn't active at that time, but neither has Pcm since then. I'm not particularly finding it fishy except it looks more like a lazy move, but I wonder why my accusers didn't notice it

I think I got off the hook a little more because mine was a joke vote. That said, what you say is true; I haven't been able to post lately and the double standard here is apparent. FOS the bandwagoners, but Unvote vote spiesr because first he criticizes an inactivity bandwagon vote...

Any reason for choosing that particular bandwagon?

... and then does it himself.

Well, ga7 said he should be available tomorrow. I think that, in the interests of pursuing about the only thing we have going, I will up his vote count to 4 to give him something to do when he gets here.
Unvote Vote ga7

Not only is this hypocritical, it is also pointless. Ga7 needed no pressure, his already high vote count is acknowledged in the post, and that cryptic comment about giving him something to do sounds awfully odd to me. Care to explain that?

[spiesr]

Not only is this hypocritical, it is also pointless. Ga7 needed no pressure, his already high vote count is acknowledged in the post, and that cryptic comment about giving him something to do sounds awfully odd to me. Care to explain that?

Giving him something to do? I was suggesting that when he got back he would need to defend himself somehow and sort of prove his innocence. As for the hypocrisy of criticizing /'s bandwagon vote and then later making my own, my primary reason for that criticism was that / failed to offer any reason for his vote. At least I mentioned my brief and admittedly weak reasoning. Also, are you suggesting that a vote count of 3 is high in a game with 14 players? That isn't even halfway to a lynch.

[/]

Eh? I thought it was obvious that it was for America (you commie)

[Army of GOD]

Haha, I always hate the first round mafia games. It always turns into people speculating the craziest s***. I'm thinking about no-lynch voting, but everyone's probably going to eat my face off if I do.

[mandalorian2298]

Haha, I always hate the first round mafia games. It always turns into people speculating the craziest s***. I'm thinking about no-lynch voting, but everyone's probably going to eat my face off if I do.

Your foresight is impressive. Unvote vote Army of God

Putting aside crazy theories, this post is as clear a scumtell as you can get on Day 1.

It reads: "I don't understand why all this people try so hard to find scum when they have so little to go on. Lucky for me that finding out scum doesn't concern me so I can just lie down and relax."

And I think that we all know what you call a player who doesn't have to lynch scum to win.

[pancakemix]

Not only is this hypocritical, it is also pointless. Ga7 needed no pressure, his already high vote count is acknowledged in the post, and that cryptic comment about giving him something to do sounds awfully odd to me. Care to explain that?

Giving him something to do? I was suggesting that when he got back he would need to defend himself somehow and sort of prove his innocence. As for the hypocrisy of criticizing /'s bandwagon vote and then later making my own, my primary reason for that criticism was that / failed to offer any reason for his vote. At least I mentioned my brief and admittedly weak reasoning. Also, are you suggesting that a vote count of 3 is high in a game with 14 players? That isn't even halfway to a lynch.

And as I pointed out, this served no purpose. He had every intention of responding.

So If you give a reason for bandwagoning it's OK?

Well, for one, votes can pile up on Day 1 quite quickly. Your nitpicking argument fails. Secondly, the third vote is generally the catalyst for a full bandwagon (as a rule of thumb). So yes, that is high. Especially for Day 1.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

3 votes isn't that high when it takes 8 to lynch. More times than not scum tend to try to hide in the middle of the pack such as the 4th-6th votes in this case to "blend in" instead of leading a lynch or hammering someone unless they are trying to bus themselves which in this case is quite early. Mandy's argument does make sense so I'll Unvote vote army of god.

P.S. I do tend to keep up with the reading. Just haven't really posted much since I'm finishing up buying a house right now and my wedding date is July 3 this year so I'm getting that done as well right now.

[Army of GOD]

Oo, I'm going to a wedding on July 4, I'm hope I'm invited to yours too LSU!

But...c'mon! ANY argument makes sense on the first day. Nobody's perfect, and people always look too far into stuff in these kinds of games, and if a townie gets lynched it's "whoops, my bad," and if it's scum it's "ZOMG! I TOLD YOU GUIZ!". The first day is literally always a crapshoot, and odds say that you're more likely to lynch an innocent.

Putting aside crazy theories, this post is as clear a scumtell as you can get on Day 1.

It reads: "I don't understand why all this people try so hard to find scum when they have so little to go on. Lucky for me that finding out scum doesn't concern me so I can just lie down and relax."
)

Finding scum DOES concern me, but just because you interpret a move differently than I do doesn't mean that person IS scum. I can interpret "scumtells" in every single post in this thread (with varying degrees of scumminess) but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump all over them!

And, if I WAS scum, do you think I'd be as moronic as to be so strongly opposed to lynching someone on the first day? If I were scum right now, it'd be open season to try and get people to vote for others who seem like innocents or town-power-roles.

(I don't necessarily get the last line of your post, but I think that's because I'm not as l337 as you)

[icedagger]

Oo, I'm going to a wedding on July 4, I'm hope I'm invited to yours too LSU!

But...c'mon! ANY argument makes sense on the first day. Nobody's perfect, and people always look too far into stuff in these kinds of games, and if a townie gets lynched it's "whoops, my bad," and if it's scum it's "ZOMG! I TOLD YOU GUIZ!". The first day is literally always a crapshoot, and odds say that you're more likely to lynch an innocent.

The first day has to happen at some point. If it doesn't happen on day one, it will happen on day two. If we no lynch today, the chances are we'll have no more info tomorrow and will have to lynch under the same circumstances only having handed scum a free NK.

And the thing is it's almost always not a crapshoot. Most scum will resist voting for their scum buddies (I mean meaningful votes where they're not either already doomed or in little danger of actually getting lynched), especially in a large game like this. So in fact you have an even worse than expected chance of lynching scum day one. But the reward is when patterns emerge later on- no one's likely to blatantly incriminate themselves on the first day but innocuous actions can fit a pattern which lead to scum getting nabbed later on. If we no lynch, however, scum have no reason to act anything other than the perfect townie since they have nothing to lose.

The rest of your post is some horrible wifom which almost tempts me to vote you, but it smells more of noob than scum to me

[icedagger]

Eh? I thought it was obvious that it was for America (you commie)

I would like to point out that approaching our third week and despite a couple of posts now, / still hasn't actually contributed anything.

[strike wolf]

fos: spiesr while I don't completely find PCM to be completely unsuspicious myself, I do agree that with 3 votes (whether you consider that high or not) is a reasonable amount for Ga7 to make some kind of defense when he came back. I find your additional vote along with you changing your opinion to do so fairly suspicious.

Haha, I always hate the first round mafia games. It always turns into people speculating the craziest s***. I'm thinking about no-lynch voting, but everyone's probably going to eat my face off if I do.

A very strong FOS: Aog I want to say this is just inexperience on his part but if you're smart enough to know that it's not a popular thing to do why even mention it? You could at least do a better job of explaining your reasons. As far as a no-lynch, in the games I've played no-lynching day 1 has only paid off once and that was actually in a situation where the cop was both good and lucky enough to find 3 straight scums w/o being killed (including me who was godfather but framed the same night.) That being said, this is a different game with a different set up, a different number of people and different rules and given what little we do know about this game, voting for a no-lynch with no threat of deadline would be a mistake.

finally, and while this may seem hypocritical that I am doing so as I haven't been the most active myself since replacing PMC. fos: /, LSU and all the others who have yet to contribute anything of value in this game or have become inactive without giving excuse

[strike wolf]

fos: spiesr while I don't completely find PCM to be completely unsuspicious myself, I do agree that with 3 votes (whether you consider that high or not) is a reasonable amount for Ga7 to make some kind of defense when he came back. I find your additional vote along with you changing your opinion to do so fairly suspicious.

Haha, I always hate the first round mafia games. It always turns into people speculating the craziest s***. I'm thinking about no-lynch voting, but everyone's probably going to eat my face off if I do.

A very strong FOS: Aog I want to say this is just inexperience on his part but if you're smart enough to know that it's not a popular thing to do why even mention it? You could at least do a better job of explaining your reasons. As far as a no-lynch, in the games I've played no-lynching day 1 has only paid off once and that was actually in a situation where the cop was both good and lucky enough to find 3 straight scums w/o being killed (including me who was godfather but framed the same night.) That being said, this is a different game with a different set up, a different number of people and different rules and given what little we do know about this game, voting for a no-lynch with no threat of deadline would be a mistake.

finally, and while this may seem hypocritical that I am doing so as I haven't been the most active myself since replacing PMC. fos: / and all the others who have yet to contribute anything of value in this game or have become inactive without giving excuse

Edit: sorry LSU I just reread and saw that I had missed that post you made. Also congrats.

[/]

Eh? I thought it was obvious that it was for America (you commie)

I would like to point out that approaching our third week and despite a couple of posts now, / still hasn't actually contributed anything.

oh yeah? Well I counter that without the obvious pointlessness of my votes, you would inevitably be making pointless posts as well since the only point to your posts is to point out the pointlessness to peoples posts.
In seriousness however, I wonder why you choose to single me out of the crowd when talking about a lack of "contribution", I suppose it may have been justified when you first accused me, but for you to bring it up a second time makes me wonder if my joke vote against LoVo (who hasn't posted in two weeks mind you) hasn't struck some sort of fear of your scum buddy being bandwaggoned, making you try to direct "scumariner " focus to me instead? FOS Ice, especially if Lovo turns out to be scum

[icedagger]

Firstly, thankyou for making a post more than tangentially related to the game

Eh? I thought it was obvious that it was for America (you commie)

I would like to point out that approaching our third week and despite a couple of posts now, / still hasn't actually contributed anything.

oh yeah? Well I counter that without the obvious pointlessness of my votes, you would inevitably be making pointless posts as well since the only point to your posts is to point out the pointlessness to peoples posts.

While I certainly take your point on pointing out the pointlessness of pointing out pointlessness in other people's pointless posts, I would make a counterpoint by pointing to several points I have made in other posts pointing to game discussion unrelated to pointless posts, deriding your theory that the point of all my posts has been to point out pointlessness.

In seriousness however, I wonder why you choose to single me out of the crowd when talking about a lack of "contribution", I suppose it may have been justified when you first accused me, but for you to bring it up a second time makes me wonder if my joke vote against LoVo (who hasn't posted in two weeks mind you) hasn't struck some sort of fear of your scum buddy being bandwaggoned, making you try to direct "scumariner " focus to me instead? FOS Ice, especially if Lovo turns out to be scum

Well, up until this post you were unique in not making any posts that progressed the game. You had a random vote and a bandwagon vote. Everyone else had contributed to game discussion in some way. It's also uncharacteristic of you, usually you make several well argued posts every game day. My vote was mainly to prod you into action. What starts becoming scummy is when you come back, achknowledge you haven't been posting and then cast an unreasoned bandawgon vote. At this point your contributions were submarning, bandwagoning, and more submarining. If my vote wasn't already on you I would have voted you then- unvoting was out of the question.

...and now in your first real post we have what looks to me a lot like omgus, although clearly I'm not in the best position to judge this. Adding this to the previous charges I'm very happy keeping my vote where it is

[safariguy5]

fos: /, LSU and all the others who have yet to contribute anything of value in this game or have become inactive without giving excuse

So who exactly else were you talking about who are inactive? / and LSU have both posted, and besides the raised point that LoVo hasn't posted, being vague about submariners day 1 isn't really helping the discussion.
Congrats btw LSU.
unvote

[ga7]

Haha, I always hate the first round mafia games. It always turns into people speculating the craziest s***. I'm thinking about no-lynch voting, but everyone's probably going to eat my face off if I do.

I agree with the reaction towards this comment, it's quite ludicrous especially when it happens at the moment things are perking up with lots of accusations back and forth. That said, I feel AoG is probably the noobest of the lineup and doesn't have a feel yet to get in arguments. So FOS AoG but I don't think it's the 'scummiest thing that happened so far' either.

Congrats LSU, wish you well Besides july weddings pwn.

Reading along the thread I find AoG's answer scummier than his original post

And, if I WAS scum, do you think I'd be as moronic as to be so strongly opposed to lynching someone on the first day? If I were scum right now, it'd be open season to try and get people to vote for others who seem like innocents or town-power-roles.

That's total WIFOM, and completely irrelevant. Scum can either press for lynches or try hard to act like a good little townie on day 1, it's all about perspective. The fact you bring it up and seem so defensive is definitely fishier.

Anyway, my money is still more on noob than scum on this, and I would feel better on a Lovo lynch just because he speaks less here than /. Except / doesn't post anywhere else meanwhile. Please prod him Nag, so we can have either a vague answer and a decent wagon going on, or I can go without regrets for another option

[safariguy5]

I'd like to make a quick clarification ga7. Apologies to icedagger if he's an old hand, but since I started playing mafia, AoG has played in more games with me than icedagger has. In terms of "least amount of experience" in CC mafia anyways, I'd say icedagger is newcomer and not AoG. Which makes AoG's statement all the stranger because I believe he knows better.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'd like to make a quick clarification ga7. Apologies to icedagger if he's an old hand, but since I started playing mafia, AoG has played in more games with me than icedagger has. In terms of "least amount of experience" in CC mafia anyways, I'd say icedagger is newcomer and not AoG. Which makes AoG's statement all the stranger because I believe he knows better.

I'm not sure if you're defending him or throwing him under the bus....

[spiesr]

It's also uncharacteristic of you, usually you make several well argued posts every game day. My vote was mainly to prod you into action. What starts becoming scummy is when you come back, acknowledge you haven't been posting and then cast an unreasoned bandwagon vote. At this point your contributions were submarning, bandwagoning, and more submarining.

It really isn't that uncharacteristic of / in more some more recent games; at least in my opinion. He has often appeared to be struggling to keep up activity. Maybe he is losing interest, or he could be just busy. Either way, the lowered level of activity seems to not be far off of /'s normal for his contributions as of late. (Not that I am one to complain. My activity has not been good lately, especially this game.)