Congrats to CC's New Conqueror Blitz!

[karelpietertje]

can you please not post if you dont intend on forming proper legible sentances....

Although I am still not entirely sure whether or not you meant to write that sentence down with the errors that it contains, it is, in one word, hilarious!
As for the inconsistency in your first reply in this topic, I think Bones2484 did a fine job crushing it. It's a little sad how ljex tries to defend you when eddie2 is pointing out the strange definitions of baiting the moderating team uses.

See, the whole point of this thread is to criticize the way Blitzaholic tends to put his verdict on people, and not even seeming to realize that he, by going the same ways he used to judge others on and not putting the same verdicts on himself right now, is being a (tiny bit at least) hypocrit. Be it with sarcasm, but that's the point I think Fruitcake is trying to make. I do hope sarcasm, as a mere figure of speech, is still allowed on these forums. The way you reacted to it, however, made me feel like either you did not feel the same, or you didn't think before you post something.
Please, if there is one thing we have a sufficient amount of on this beautiful planet, it is people not thinking before they say something.

So, to summarize my plea, I have some criticism towards the moderating team, and I think Blitzaholic should at least realize that he is firmly on his way to becoming what he once, in such obstinate manners, used to call a farmer. Nevertheless, reaching a score that high, even though it's impossible to do without certain focus on specific game types with certain types of teammembers and opponents, is a very impressive achievement, and I am going over to the other thread to congratulate the good man right now!

Cheers!
karelpietertje

[karelpietertje]

Great job! Not many people have what it takes to get to such dazzling scores. Don't you think the new Conqueror badge is so nice and shiny bytheway ?
Cheers mate

[Blitzaholic]

thx guys, I started teaming with some lower ranks when I got closer to 4000 score so I would not get crippled as much in points. Fc you did this when you were colonel to manipulate the relative rank, but, if you are trying to get to conqueror, it is quite common to try this, still very challenging to do.

Well actually I did this as I rose from Brig to general Blitz, but hey why let facts get in the way of your opinion, you generally don't.

I have never hidden the fact that the key is to utilise lower ranks to help lift one on the scoreboard, Changsha pointed out it was a standard practice of mine to 'reverse farm' in that I would take on high ranking teams with low ranking team mates to max the return. I have often mentioned there is a symbiotic relationship that ends once the low ranker achieves a certain level.

What I find particularly galling of you is the (usual) manner in which you preached from your own skewed pulpit at me that this kind of practice would 'raise eyebrows' then a few months later indulge in the same practice yourself! Then, to add to the issue, you never bother to be open about this until some one (yours truly) brings it to the attention of the wider membership. Furthermore, you even try to rationalise your betrayal of your own (ahem) principles by your usual method of pedantry.

I can only assume you will revisit the lecture you delivered regarding this practice and eat your words...but this I doubt.

Fc I think you misunderstood me, I have nothing wrong with you or anyone ever teaming with lower ranks. I mentioned this when chipv came out with relative rank and you posting yours was pretty good at the time and I shared the reason yours looks good is because you teamed with a ton of low ranked players to make your relative rank look better, that was my whole point, that relative rank is over valued. When you get to general and higher, especially over 4000 score (which you never have accomplished) you really do not have much of a choice but to try to team with partners that are good that have some lower scores. This has nothing to do with relative ranks, because I still have to win around or at 80% to barely come ahead maybe by a few points. My sole purpose of this was for points and trying to maintain which is near impossible, because with my score nearing 4600 and the higher I go, my relative rank worsens even when I team with some lower ranks, because a fair amount of the teams I face in total points are still lower than ours as a team.

I think you should shift your focus on your clan fruity cakes because if I remember right, I was giving brett and owen some credit saying they were better than their scores and I teamed with them in a fair amount of games, and yet you come in posting later laughing at your own clan mates? What type of player does this and rags on their own clan mates? Clean your own back yard and get your facts str8 before spraying off at the mouth and trying to sarcastically congratz me and my team for an achievement you could never do! Also, if I remember correct, me and my low partners as you call them played you and beat you after joining one of ours games. I suggest you listen to volde and not bait me or others if that is what you are trying to do. You need to fix your clan internally first for making fun of them, this would be my suggestion and stop focusing on me, unless you have a crush, if so, get in line and join the club, if not, move along and fix your clan mates tension within. Thx

[Blitzaholic]

thanks a lot key and nash.

NIce work blitz... was gonna make you a congrats thread but my net cut out last night.,.. my bad gl keeping it... so you shooting for conqueror??

not sure yet, I got some vacation time coming after nemesis clan cup challenge.

Of course he is d'oh.. not sure yet ? Chuckles. Keep it up Blitzy-- you deserve it !

We shall see, thx for the encouragement scotty.

go blitz

thank you LC

[Army of GOD]

I actually think this is a better "Congrats Blitz" thread than the others, as there is less ball-licking in this one.

[Fruitcake]

thx guys, I started teaming with some lower ranks when I got closer to 4000 score so I would not get crippled as much in points. Fc you did this when you were colonel to manipulate the relative rank, but, if you are trying to get to conqueror, it is quite common to try this, still very challenging to do.

Well actually I did this as I rose from Brig to general Blitz, but hey why let facts get in the way of your opinion, you generally don't.

I have never hidden the fact that the key is to utilise lower ranks to help lift one on the scoreboard, Changsha pointed out it was a standard practice of mine to 'reverse farm' in that I would take on high ranking teams with low ranking team mates to max the return. I have often mentioned there is a symbiotic relationship that ends once the low ranker achieves a certain level.

What I find particularly galling of you is the (usual) manner in which you preached from your own skewed pulpit at me that this kind of practice would 'raise eyebrows' then a few months later indulge in the same practice yourself! Then, to add to the issue, you never bother to be open about this until some one (yours truly) brings it to the attention of the wider membership. Furthermore, you even try to rationalise your betrayal of your own (ahem) principles by your usual method of pedantry.

I can only assume you will revisit the lecture you delivered regarding this practice and eat your words...but this I doubt.

Fc I think you misunderstood me, I have nothing wrong with you or anyone ever teaming with lower ranks. I mentioned this when chipv came out with relative rank and you posting yours was pretty good at the time and I shared the reason yours looks good is because you teamed with a ton of low ranked players to make your relative rank look better, that was my whole point, that relative rank is over valued. When you get to general and higher, especially over 4000 score (which you never have accomplished) you really do not have much of a choice but to try to team with partners that are good that have some lower scores. This has nothing to do with relative ranks, because I still have to win around or at 80% to barely come ahead maybe by a few points. My sole purpose of this was for points and trying to maintain which is near impossible, because with my score nearing 4600 and the higher I go, my relative rank worsens even when I team with some lower ranks, because a fair amount of the teams I face in total points are still lower than ours as a team.

I think you should shift your focus on your clan fruity cakes because if I remember right, I was giving brett and owen some credit saying they were better than their scores and I teamed with them in a fair amount of games, and yet you come in posting later laughing at your own clan mates? What type of player does this and rags on their own clan mates? Clean your own back yard and get your facts str8 before spraying off at the mouth and trying to sarcastically congratz me and my team for an achievement you could never do! Also, if I remember correct, me and my low partners as you call them played you and beat you after joining one of ours games. I suggest you listen to volde and not bait me or others if that is what you are trying to do. You need to fix your clan internally first for making fun of them, this would be my suggestion and stop focusing on me, unless you have a crush, if so, get in line and join the club, if not, move along and fix your clan mates tension within. Thx

Crikey...you do go on sometimes don't you, could you repeat in shortened form, because here's mine.

1. You preached against this tactic of using lower ranks.
2. You now apply this tactic of using lower ranks.

Conclusion, you have completely reversed your position. One hopes that you will have the decency to withdraw your preaching previously, otherwise it is hypocrisy.

As for the second paragraph...well I really have no idea what it is to do with the topic of your hypocrisy.

[ljex]

can you please not post if you dont intend on forming proper legible sentances....

Although I am still not entirely sure whether or not you meant to write that sentence down with the errors that it contains, it is, in one word, hilarious!
As for the inconsistency in your first reply in this topic, I think Bones2484 did a fine job crushing it. It's a little sad how ljex tries to defend you when eddie2 is pointing out the strange definitions of baiting the moderating team uses.

To be completely honest i was not defending LV or at least that was not my intention. I posted that more with the hopes that this thread would not result in flames thus making someone lock it.

I for one think blitz is tarnishing an otherwise good reputation with his current tactic of point gain and agree that he is being a hypocrite. The fact that he sits on some high and mighty throne saying that speed freestyle is farming but then uses this method to gain points has made me lose all the respect i used to have for him.

[Blitzaholic]

can you please not post if you dont intend on forming proper legible sentances....

Although I am still not entirely sure whether or not you meant to write that sentence down with the errors that it contains, it is, in one word, hilarious!
As for the inconsistency in your first reply in this topic, I think Bones2484 did a fine job crushing it. It's a little sad how ljex tries to defend you when eddie2 is pointing out the strange definitions of baiting the moderating team uses.

To be completely honest i was not defending LV or at least that was not my intention. I posted that more with the hopes that this thread would not result in flames thus making someone lock it.

I for one think blitz is tarnishing an otherwise good reputation with his current tactic of point gain and agree that he is being a hypocrite. The fact that he sits on some high and mighty throne saying that speed freestyle is farming but then uses this method to gain points has made me lose all the respect i used to have for him.

That is just it ljex, I do not freestyle speed, and you also seem to have misunderstood. There is a difference between sequential and freestyle. The point I was trying to make about freestyle or speed or both back then was that some players had faster computers and clickies and snapshots, etc., a fair amount of tools that others did not have, so in my opinion it was easier to exploit rank this way and take advantage, and if you noticed on the conqueror's thread I took farming away from this area weeks ago but, you must not of been paying attention.

[nagerous]

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[Bones2484]

and if you noticed on the conqueror's thread I took farming away from this area weeks ago but, you must not of been paying attention.

Just in time for you to make a run at Conq, right?

And not to be a stickler... but since this thread seems to be pointing out your hypocrisy, I might as well stay on topic:

9. Yosevuk (31 days) mostly by freestyle farming
...
19. Rabbiton (50 days) mostly by 1 vs 1 noob farming

That is just it ljex, I do not freestyle speed, and you also seem to have misunderstood.

This is correct, you don't. But the point is that you called Fruitcake out for farming low ranks with low rank partners and now you are doing it. And not only this, but you're doing it with manual on a Feudal-esque map. That's just begging for free and easy points.

I was more impressed with your high score when you were playing in mostly tournament games. Granted you farmed your way to tons of medals there too (and they changed the rules because of you), but at least I could respect your rank.

[khazalid]

well f*ck me raw... someone just accused blitzaholic of fuckin' pedantry. what next, klobber for fuckin' euphuist of the fuckin' year? fuckin' gravy's what's pourin'.

[Blitzaholic]

and if you noticed on the conqueror's thread I took farming away from this area weeks ago but, you must not of been paying attention.

Just in time for you to make a run at Conq, right?

And not to be a stickler... but since this thread seems to be pointing out your hypocrisy, I might as well stay on topic:

9. Yosevuk (31 days) mostly by freestyle farming
...
19. Rabbiton (50 days) mostly by 1 vs 1 noob farming

That is just it ljex, I do not freestyle speed, and you also seem to have misunderstood.

This is correct, you don't. But the point is that you called Fruitcake out for farming low ranks with low rank partners and now you are doing it. And not only this, but you're doing it with manual on a Feudal-esque map. That's just begging for free and easy points.

I was more impressed with your high score when you were playing in mostly tournament games. Granted you farmed your way to tons of medals there too (and they changed the rules because of you), but at least I could respect your rank.

bones you are lost yosevuk was freestyle farming because he joined that style of game as team 2 against ? marks and, not setting it up as team 1, and rabbiton did the same thing but for 1 vs 1, he joined over 200 games str8 as player 2 against questions marks (?). I did not call fruitcake out for farming, this is where you are wrong again, I called him out when he posted he had a high relative rank, and I said he does due to him playing a ton with low ranks, period, that was all. It had nothing to do with teaming with partners or score, it was a relative rank conversation, and I never cared, I was just saying that is why his looks pretty good at the time, you are interpreting this different than it was, you and others are taking things out of context. Bones, I took farming away from some of them as I got pm's from some of those players, and technically according to the cc rules, they did not farm, this is why I took them off for those players. Farming form CC as I understand is playing a ton against ?'s mark players, yosevuk and rabbiton are the only 2 that fit the bill, this is why I took the others off. Perhaps I misinterpreted the word or maybe it has different meanings for different players, but, I am trying to align it with cc's definition as I am a supporter of CC and it's guidelines, so I took my interpretation of it out to be fair.

[Blitzaholic]

thx all

and thx for all who teamed with me during that time, you are deserve the credit as well, could not of done it without you all, which includes:

kab
eye
hatch
clapper
leo
ninja
glorious
spike
art
Inc
hwh
nester
BW
jobi
mttw
mepps
RT
owen
brett
conquer
manic
nash
nik
BYR
zips
Natascha
Dbz
gray berd
eddy
JR
Osu
RL
truenorth
HA
alstergren
unknown
key
neph

sorry if I forgot anyone.

[enter_name]

You're still a low respected, only liked by your dumb clan mates, hypocrite! HYPOCRITE!

[billy07]

face facts. most conquerers specialise on a map with certain settings. or they join freestyle quads and immediately have the upperhand. or they farm. they are playing the cc system.

it is however perfectly above board. if blitz has found a game style with players where he can rake in the points thats his buisness. if it makes him happy getting to conquerer via this route and ignoring his own beliefs, then let him be.

[Scott-Land]

Surprise-- another player that reaches the top and yet another thread dissin' the player. Does jealousy have no bounds? Blitz like Jr tried to separate the 'farmers' and cheats that used an illegal way of obtaining points. Blitz since then have tried to make adjustments to the term farming in his thread by yielding to reasonable discussions in that thread by Poo and some others. Is that what you call a hypocrite? I call it being fair, objective and open to reason.

I mean c'mon... are all you guys really that fucking pathetic that anytime someone makes a run, their name has to be smeared by unfounded accusations. At least wait until he makes Conqueror before you sling the mud and let the man enjoy his ascent to the top because for 99% of you, you don't know what it feels like to be that good ( so I understand your frustrations-- well not really ).

Only a couple of players that I disrespected that reached Conqueror and those are the players that used the ignore list to protect their points and you both know who you are. The funny thing is they were good enough not to use those tactics. So all you kids that don't like Blitz's methods or want to prevent a particular player from getting to the top, do what I did... I joined against them and took more away in points than I would ever in a thread. Gather your best team and play the man on Pelop War and beat 'em so he doesn't get to the top, don't bitch about it. Sometimes I'd lose but more times than not I would win-- that's where you should fight the fight, not in some bullshit jealousy thread. But again for 99% of you, you'd get your asses handed to you so you'd rather hide behind your posts instead of playing.

[Timminz]

Everyone misses the point once in a while....

[Master Fenrir]

I'm a bit curious why Blitz is making another run at conqueror. Having already reached it, and held it for quite some time from what I've read, what's the point really? Reaching conqueror again will not effect my opinion of Blitz's gameplay in the least. Honestly, I'd take more notice if Blitz hit lieutenant than if he hit conqueror again.

you really do not have much of a choice but to try to team with partners that are good that have some lower scores.

But...it's Pelop War. If you were even playing Classic, I'd say "okay," but it's Pelop War. How good does one need to be to read "load Skyros" in the game chat and drop accordingly?

I think you should shift your focus on your clan fruity cakes because if I remember right, I was giving brett and owen some credit saying they were better than their scores and I teamed with them in a fair amount of games, and yet you come in posting later laughing at your own clan mates? What type of player does this and rags on their own clan mates?

Well, I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to (link?) but if the ragging is warranted, a player I would greatly respect. It takes a stronger backbone to rag your friends in a serious manner than to rag somebody you don't care about.

For the record, I'm not attacking you here, Blitz, because I don't care what you do. As I said, my opinion of your gameplay won't change regardless of the rank you hold, just responding to a few points.

[ljex]

That is just it ljex, I do not freestyle speed, and you also seem to have misunderstood. There is a difference between sequential and freestyle. The point I was trying to make about freestyle or speed or both back then was that some players had faster computers and clickies and snapshots, etc., a fair amount of tools that others did not have, so in my opinion it was easier to exploit rank this way and take advantage, and if you noticed on the conqueror's thread I took farming away from this area weeks ago but, you must not of been paying attention.

First off why do you need to send me this in a pm and post it here as well? Second if david hokestra makes it to conqueror will you list him as a farmer? You complain about clickies, snapshots (literally no effect on fs speed so i dont know why you mention them here), and etc which i assume means other addons which no one uses for freestyle speed except maybe chatglove but that wasn't around then so there is no etc either. Also there is no way it is easier to exploit rank that way then they way you are currently doing. I would be willing to bet that in the majority of your games your opponents dont even stack one player and you slowly go around and eliminate them, how hard can that be? Also I could care less about this tactic if you didnt partner with low ranks as it discourages any real team from joining as they are going to lose more than they will win...this is the true issue i have with your strategy. You are farming in the fact that you are setting up games which you know low ranking players will join and of which you will probably win 95% of the time. You keep saying its hard to maintain but the only thing making it hard is the fact that you are have to wait for them to make it to the first page to fill and you cant play as many other games with good opponents against good opponents as you will lose points on those settings.

Also with respects to me not paying attention to that thread, I did know about that and agree with bones that you did it in time for you not to be listed as a farmer either...

Only a couple of players that I disrespected that reached Conqueror and those are the players that used the ignore list to protect their points and you both know who you are. The funny thing is they were good enough not to use those tactics. So all you kids that don't like Blitz's methods or want to prevent a particular player from getting to the top, do what I did... I joined against them and took more away in points than I would ever in a thread. Gather your best team and play the man on Pelop War and beat 'em so he doesn't get to the top, don't bitch about it. Sometimes I'd lose but more times than not I would win-- that's where you should fight the fight, not in some bullshit jealousy thread. But again for 99% of you, you'd get your asses handed to you so you'd rather hide behind your posts instead of playing.

See now this is the problem with him having low ranking players join, even if i take my best team and join 10 games. He doesn't even need to win 50% of games to gain points because he is partnering with low ranking players, It will only stall him from getting tot he top not stop him. Also the only way to stop him would be if someone joins against him with low rankers who also know what their doing, and how would the player who does that have any fun...thus no one is going to do it. I am not jealous of blitz at all for this game type because i dont perceive him to have a great deal of superior skill in the way he achieved such a high score as he didnt show a great deal of superior strategy in his quest to be #1. Lets be honest, there are many more players who could become #1 this way if they wanted, its not that hard to beat low raking players who dont communicate and just play for themselves. Especially on a map like this where to have any chance you need to stack one player. No doubt blitz is a great player, one of the best on the site, i just dont agree with this method of gaining points...

[eddie2]

That is just it ljex, I do not freestyle speed, and you also seem to have misunderstood. There is a difference between sequential and freestyle. The point I was trying to make about freestyle or speed or both back then was that some players had faster computers and clickies and snapshots, etc., a fair amount of tools that others did not have, so in my opinion it was easier to exploit rank this way and take advantage, and if you noticed on the conqueror's thread I took farming away from this area weeks ago but, you must not of been paying attention.

First off why do you need to send me this in a pm and post it here as well? Second if david hokestra makes it to conqueror will you list him as a farmer? You complain about clickies, snapshots (literally no effect on fs speed so i dont know why you mention them here), and etc which i assume means other addons which no one uses for freestyle speed except maybe chatglove but that wasn't around then so there is no etc either. Also there is no way it is easier to exploit rank that way then they way you are currently doing. I would be willing to bet that in the majority of your games your opponents dont even stack one player and you slowly go around and eliminate them, how hard can that be? Also I could care less about this tactic if you didnt partner with low ranks as it discourages any real team from joining as they are going to lose more than they will win...this is the true issue i have with your strategy. You are farming in the fact that you are setting up games which you know low ranking players will join and of which you will probably win 95% of the time. You keep saying its hard to maintain but the only thing making it hard is the fact that you are have to wait for them to make it to the first page to fill and you cant play as many other games with good opponents against good opponents as you will lose points on those settings.

Also with respects to me not paying attention to that thread, I did know about that and agree with bones that you did it in time for you not to be listed as a farmer either...

Only a couple of players that I disrespected that reached Conqueror and those are the players that used the ignore list to protect their points and you both know who you are. The funny thing is they were good enough not to use those tactics. So all you kids that don't like Blitz's methods or want to prevent a particular player from getting to the top, do what I did... I joined against them and took more away in points than I would ever in a thread. Gather your best team and play the man on Pelop War and beat 'em so he doesn't get to the top, don't bitch about it. Sometimes I'd lose but more times than not I would win-- that's where you should fight the fight, not in some bullshit jealousy thread. But again for 99% of you, you'd get your asses handed to you so you'd rather hide behind your posts instead of playing.

See now this is the problem with him having low ranking players join, even if i take my best team and join 10 games. He doesn't even need to win 50% of games to gain points because he is partnering with low ranking players, It will only stall him from getting tot he top not stop him. Also the only way to stop him would be if someone joins against him with low rankers who also know what their doing, and how would the player who does that have any fun...thus no one is going to do it. I am not jealous of blitz at all for this game type because i dont perceive him to have a great deal of superior skill in the way he achieved such a high score as he didnt show a great deal of superior strategy in his quest to be #1. Lets be honest, there are many more players who could become #1 this way if they wanted, its not that hard to beat low raking players who dont communicate and just play for themselves. Especially on a map like this where to have any chance you need to stack one player. No doubt blitz is a great player, one of the best on the site, i just dont agree with this method of gaining points...

lol well said now all we need is for lv and his friendly mods to join in and say there is nothing wrong with it again(ljex im starting to like you more)

[Bones2484]

lol well said now all we need is for lv and his friendly mods to join in and say there is nothing wrong with it again(ljex im starting to like you more)

Yes, very well said by both ljex and Master Fenrir.

Eddie, the only thing I'd disagree with is "nothing wrong it it". By definition, there really isn't anything "wrong" with it. It's not breaking any rules. It's just... cheap. I just don't really see it as something to be proud of one bit and I'm not about to congratulate him on something like this.

It's just a shame to me that someone who really is a good player (one of the best) would resort to simple farming for points, especially after criticizing someone else a few months ago for doing this same exact thing. And that's the whole point of this thread, the hypocrisy that spews out of Blitz on a daily basis.

[eddie2]

lol well said now all we need is for lv and his friendly mods to join in and say there is nothing wrong with it again(ljex im starting to like you more)

Yes, very well said by both ljex and Master Fenrir.

Eddie, the only thing I'd disagree with is "nothing wrong it it". By definition, there really isn't anything "wrong" with it. It's not breaking any rules. It's just... cheap. I just don't really see it as something to be proud of one bit and I'm not about to congratulate him on something like this. It's just a shame to me that someone who really is a good player (one of the best) would resort to simple farming for points.

yes bones i agree i should not of put that bit in but as ljex was saying there is a rule change coming up (do you think his mod friends told him this so he has done it now because he wont be able to in the future)


give me a min i have to find a majic quote for this

[Bones2484]

give me a min i have to find a majic quote for this

I'd like to see that, I'm not too sure what you are trying to reference here.

[eddie2]

give me a min i have to find a majic quote for this

I'd like to see that, I'm not too sure what you are trying to reference here.

name the mod who said this lol

well the one thing about this is that he is one of the few of the higher ranks (there is a few out there that will) play with the lower ranks. Thus including myself (note the lower rank i have? )
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[ljex]

lol well said now all we need is for lv and his friendly mods to join in and say there is nothing wrong with it again(ljex im starting to like you more)

Yes, very well said by both ljex and Master Fenrir.

Eddie, the only thing I'd disagree with is "nothing wrong it it". By definition, there really isn't anything "wrong" with it. It's not breaking any rules. It's just... cheap. I just don't really see it as something to be proud of one bit and I'm not about to congratulate him on something like this. It's just a shame to me that someone who really is a good player (one of the best) would resort to simple farming for points.

yes bones i agree i should not of put that bit in but as ljex was saying there is a rule change coming up (do you think his mod friends told him this so he has done it now because he wont be able to in the future)


give me a min i have to find a majic quote for this

I have no knowledge of a rule change coming up so that is not what i was trying to say