Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually + Longevity]

[slowreactor]

I would put Myth below G1 and Legion. They're getting stronger & stronger, but I don't think they're quite on the calibre of those 2 clans yet.

[jpcloet]

No lovo love for AOD it appears.

[MTIceman41]

I would put Myth below G1 and Legion. They're getting stronger & stronger, but I don't think they're quite on the calibre of those 2 clans yet.

I would disagree 100%

We have re-tooled alot during this season...10-15 ranked in my opinion...

I think that would be a great war against G1 or the Legion

[Beckytheblondie]

my perception of top clans.

1. CLNBKY... top shelf... simply top shelf.
2. tofu....i suspect they have number 1 by years end
3. tsm
4. empire....biased..maybe...
5. ia
6. low....back on the rise...
7. kort
8. id
9. nemisis
10. mythology
11. g1
12. legion

honorable mention...bpb....they prolly fit in here somewhere...

Thanks for the CLNBKY love.

[slowreactor]

I would put Myth below G1 and Legion. They're getting stronger & stronger, but I don't think they're quite on the calibre of those 2 clans yet.

I would disagree 100%

We have re-tooled alot during this season...10-15 ranked in my opinion...

I think that would be a great war against G1 or the Legion

now THAT would be a great war to watch!

[fumandomuerte]

I would put Myth below G1 and Legion. They're getting stronger & stronger, but I don't think they're quite on the calibre of those 2 clans yet.

I would disagree 100%

We have re-tooled alot during this season...10-15 ranked in my opinion...

I think that would be a great war against G1 or the Legion

Speaking for myself, I love to be underrated

[Blitzaholic]

my perception of top clans.

1. thota...simply they have proved them selves...though they are certainly not on the high pedestal any more
2. tofu....i suspect they have number 1 by years end
3. tsm
4. empire....biased..maybe...
5. ia
6. low....back on the rise...
7. kort
8. id
9. nemisis
10. mythology
11. g1
12. legion

honorable mention...bpb....they prolly fit in here somewhere...

You have to swap out TOFU and TSM. Until someone beats the Monkis, they are number 2. I want to play IA before we are above them as well. Their only loss is to the Monkis, and they did well there. (Of course I think we would beat them).

agreed, and I think the Tofu and Tsm match up would be superb to watch. Clash of the Titans part 2.

[Blitzaholic]

how many clans are no CC? is it over 40?

[nikola_milicki]

my perception of top clans.

1. thota...simply they have proved them selves...though they are certainly not on the high pedestal any more
2. tofu....i suspect they have number 1 by years end
3. tsm
4. empire....biased..maybe...
5. ia
6. low....back on the rise...
7. kort
8. id
9. nemisis
10. mythology
11. g1
12. legion

honorable mention...bpb....they prolly fit in here somewhere...

I see ur not much of a thota clan lover are ya? I wonder what would be the reason for that?

we were on the high pedestal? why not any more?

and tofu would have to beat us for number one so I dunno about that

btw clan ladder kinda sucks if tofu can take first place just by beating us, I mean we won like 8-9 challenges so far, and a big part of tofu was in one of those clans we beat, low, also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

[Chuuuuck]

my perception of top clans.

1. thota...simply they have proved them selves...though they are certainly not on the high pedestal any more
2. tofu....i suspect they have number 1 by years end
3. tsm
4. empire....biased..maybe...
5. ia
6. low....back on the rise...
7. kort
8. id
9. nemisis
10. mythology
11. g1
12. legion

honorable mention...bpb....they prolly fit in here somewhere...

I see ur not much of a thota clan lover are ya? I wonder what would be the reason for that?

we were on the high pedestal? why not any more?

and tofu would have to beat us for number one so I dunno about that

btw clan ladder kinda sucks if tofu can take first place just by beating us, I mean we won like 8-9 challenges so far, and a big part of tofu was in one of those clans we beat, low, also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

If the conqueror's cup plays out as 1v2 then there will be no vote necessary. TOFU will get their shot regardless. I am hoping they don't though. 1v3 sounds much better!

Regardless, there is no doubt you will have to play 2 top 5 clans very shortly as long as you keep winning.

[tdans]

my perception of top clans.

1. CLNBKY... top shelf... simply top shelf.
2. tofu....i suspect they have number 1 by years end
3. tsm
4. empire....biased..maybe...
5. ia
6. low....back on the rise...
7. kort
8. id
9. nemisis
10. mythology
11. g1
12. legion

honorable mention...bpb....they prolly fit in here somewhere...

Thanks for the CLNBKY love.

HAHAHAHAHHA funny becky

[nikola_milicki]

my perception of top clans.

1. thota...simply they have proved them selves...though they are certainly not on the high pedestal any more
2. tofu....i suspect they have number 1 by years end
3. tsm
4. empire....biased..maybe...
5. ia
6. low....back on the rise...
7. kort
8. id
9. nemisis
10. mythology
11. g1
12. legion

honorable mention...bpb....they prolly fit in here somewhere...

I see ur not much of a thota clan lover are ya? I wonder what would be the reason for that?

we were on the high pedestal? why not any more?

and tofu would have to beat us for number one so I dunno about that

btw clan ladder kinda sucks if tofu can take first place just by beating us, I mean we won like 8-9 challenges so far, and a big part of tofu was in one of those clans we beat, low, also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

If the conqueror's cup plays out as 1v2 then there will be no vote necessary. TOFU will get their shot regardless. I am hoping they don't though. 1v3 sounds much better!

Regardless, there is no doubt you will have to play 2 top 5 clans very shortly as long as you keep winning.

oh ofc we'll keep winning we wouldnt want to disappoint all our fans

[pmchugh]

my perception of top clans.

1. thota...simply they have proved them selves...though they are certainly not on the high pedestal any more
2. tofu....i suspect they have number 1 by years end
3. tsm
4. empire....biased..maybe...
5. ia
6. low....back on the rise...
7. kort
8. id
9. nemisis
10. mythology
11. g1
12. legion

honorable mention...bpb....they prolly fit in here somewhere...

I see ur not much of a thota clan lover are ya? I wonder what would be the reason for that?

we were on the high pedestal? why not any more?

and tofu would have to beat us for number one so I dunno about that

btw clan ladder kinda sucks if tofu can take first place just by beating us, I mean we won like 8-9 challenges so far, and a big part of tofu was in one of those clans we beat, low, also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

If the conqueror's cup plays out as 1v2 then there will be no vote necessary. TOFU will get their shot regardless. I am hoping they don't though. 1v3 sounds much better!

Regardless, there is no doubt you will have to play 2 top 5 clans very shortly as long as you keep winning.

oh ofc we'll keep winning we wouldnt want to disappoint all our fans

Pffft! We'll see about that

[Chariot of Fire]

I see ur not much of a thota clan lover are ya? I wonder what would be the reason for that?

we were on the high pedestal? why not any more?

and tofu would have to beat us for number one so I dunno about that

btw clan ladder kinda sucks if tofu can take first place just by beating us, I mean we won like 8-9 challenges so far, and a big part of tofu was in one of those clans we beat, low, also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

Not sure what lord v. has said that makes you think he's not a THOTA lover. He still has you at No.1, but just not as invincible as you once were (I guess CLA has some bearing on that, plus a very close series against TSM). Seems like a well-informed opinion to me.

Not sure if a clan has to beat another to surpass them in the ladder. A series of better results against the same or similar opposition would surely suffice, otherwise the leading clan could simply dodge the challenge of the leading contender (to quote nik "also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis").

A big part of TOFU does indeed comprise ex-LoW players, though for the most part they are the ones who had the best results for LoW (including that series against THOTA) so there's really not much merit in your argument there Nik. We also happen to have complemented those guys (of which there are just five remaining active in TOFU) with some outstanding players whose results speak for themselves (Dako 51-15, Knight 27-5, Tyche 24-8, etc etc).

It would be nice to think it could possibly come down to a 1st v 2nd seed final in the Conqueror's Cup, though the way things are looking right now I'm not sure we'll make it through the first round One thing I've noticed with the clans these days is that a lot of the 'new kids on the block' have some very capable players as the vanguard - which is wonderful for CC and the clan scene in general - so there's rarely a series of games that can be described as 'easy'.

[jpcloet]

I agree to a point, TOFU has yet to play one of the "Elite" clans. That should be a criteria for a shot at the top. I think TOFU - IA should be the match personally, then THOTA. I have to say that based on the skill level currently displayed in the AOD-TOFU war, I would rank TOFU higher than TSM, although AOD has always matched up to TSM generally in the leagues etc.

[jpeter15]

I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

Not quite sure I understand your logic here. Why would you vote "no" to a challenge vs TOFU? Would you vote "yes" to a challenge vs another clan who has not played TSM yet? Are you saying that any potential challenger must face TSM as a prerequisite to facing THOTA?

THOTA is without a doubt the #1 clan right now, followed very closely by TSM. I don't think anyone in TOFU would claim we deserve to be ranked higher. It is reasonable to say a clan would need to beat both TSM and THOTA to be viewed as the #1 clan, but to flat out turn down a challenge from us just makes it look like you are afraid of the outcome. That being said, a challenge of TOFU-THOTA or TOFU-TSM would be a lot of fun and while TOFU would be underdogs in both, I think we could give you guys a run for your money.

[Big Whiskey]

I see ur not much of a thota clan lover are ya? I wonder what would be the reason for that?

we were on the high pedestal? why not any more?

and tofu would have to beat us for number one so I dunno about that

btw clan ladder kinda sucks if tofu can take first place just by beating us, I mean we won like 8-9 challenges so far, and a big part of tofu was in one of those clans we beat, low, also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

Not sure what lord v. has said that makes you think he's not a THOTA lover. He still has you at No.1, but just not as invincible as you once were (I guess CLA has some bearing on that, plus a very close series against TSM). Seems like a well-informed opinion to me.

Not sure if a clan has to beat another to surpass them in the ladder. A series of better results against the same or similar opposition would surely suffice, otherwise the leading clan could simply dodge the challenge of the leading contender (to quote nik "also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis").

A big part of TOFU does indeed comprise ex-LoW players, though for the most part they are the ones who had the best results for LoW (including that series against THOTA) so there's really not much merit in your argument there Nik. We also happen to have complemented those guys (of which there are just five remaining active in TOFU) with some outstanding players whose results speak for themselves (Dako 51-15, Knight 27-5, Tyche 24-8, etc etc).

It would be nice to think it could possibly come down to a 1st v 2nd seed final in the Conqueror's Cup, though the way things are looking right now I'm not sure we'll make it through the first round One thing I've noticed with the clans these days is that a lot of the 'new kids on the block' have some very capable players as the vanguard - which is wonderful for CC and the clan scene in general - so there's rarely a series of games that can be described as 'easy'.

I can only speak for myself pal but I for one have always wanted to face the best clans out there.It doesn't matter to me what the ladder has you guys(TOFU) ranked.After we defeated TSM(barely),TOFU imo is the next clan I would want to go against.It could happen in the near future in the C.C.I do know that many in THOTA are ready for a break.Myself included.As for the current clan league,hey we can't win em all.It's nice to see KORT,TOFU,TSM and a few others fighting for the win.As always I wish you and your clan the best Simon.Take care m8

[Big Whiskey]

I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

Not quite sure I understand your logic here. Why would you vote "no" to a challenge vs TOFU? Would you vote "yes" to a challenge vs another clan who has not played TSM yet? Are you saying that any potential challenger must face TSM as a prerequisite to facing THOTA?

THOTA is without a doubt the #1 clan right now, followed very closely by TSM. I don't think anyone in TOFU would claim we deserve to be ranked higher. It is reasonable to say a clan would need to beat both TSM and THOTA to be viewed as the #1 clan, but to flat out turn down a challenge from us just makes it look like you are afraid of the outcome. That being said, a challenge of TOFU-THOTA or TOFU-TSM would be a lot of fun and while TOFU would be underdogs in both, I think we could give you guys a run for your money.

I will wait for nik to respond to you jpeter but I would not say that TOFU would be the underdog if and when they go against TSM or THOTA.You guys have some of the best team players on CC.Would I like to see TOFU go against IA,TSM or LOW b4 us?Yes,but that would not change my mind on what I just said b4.What makes this site fun for me is the high level of competition.And there is no doubt in my mind that TOFU vs. THOTA would be one hell of a clan challenge.

[Chariot of Fire]

I can only speak for myself pal but I for one have always wanted to face the best clans out there.It doesn't matter to me what the ladder has you guys(TOFU) ranked.After we defeated TSM(barely),TOFU imo is the next clan I would want to go against.It could happen in the near future in the C.C.I do know that many in THOTA are ready for a break.Myself included.As for the current clan league,hey we can't win em all.It's nice to see KORT,TOFU,TSM and a few others fighting for the win.As always I wish you and your clan the best Simon.Take care m8

Very nicely put Frank. I hearken that statement entirely.

[Master Fenrir]

I think TOFU vs. LoW would be awesome. I'm imagining the posts in the thread for the clan war now and it's brining a smile to my face.

[nikola_milicki]

I see ur not much of a thota clan lover are ya? I wonder what would be the reason for that?

we were on the high pedestal? why not any more?

and tofu would have to beat us for number one so I dunno about that

btw clan ladder kinda sucks if tofu can take first place just by beating us, I mean we won like 8-9 challenges so far, and a big part of tofu was in one of those clans we beat, low, also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

Not sure what lord v. has said that makes you think he's not a THOTA lover. He still has you at No.1, but just not as invincible as you once were (I guess CLA has some bearing on that, plus a very close series against TSM). Seems like a well-informed opinion to me.

Not sure if . A series of better results against the same or similar opposition would surely suffice, otherwise the leading clan could simply dodge the challenge of the leading contender (to quote nik "also I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis").

A big part of TOFU does indeed comprise ex-LoW players, though for the most part they are the ones who had the best results for LoW (including that series against THOTA) so there's really not much merit in your argument there Nik. We also happen to have complemented those guys (of which there are just five remaining active in TOFU) with some outstanding players whose results speak for themselves (Dako 51-15, Knight 27-5, Tyche 24-8, etc etc).

It would be nice to think it could possibly come down to a 1st v 2nd seed final in the Conqueror's Cup, though the way things are looking right now I'm not sure we'll make it through the first round One thing I've noticed with the clans these days is that a lot of the 'new kids on the block' have some very capable players as the vanguard - which is wonderful for CC and the clan scene in general - so there's rarely a series of games that can be described as 'easy'.

well he sounded a bit sarcastic or w/e with the pedestal thing and like he was glad we were not high on it any more, think I saw him cheering for the other clan in some of our challenges too lol plus he said tofu has number 1 by years end, seriously how is that going to happen?? how many challenges would u guys need to play to take number 1 this year, its prolly impossible, and not like thota wont be playing any as well

I didnt really say "a clan has to beat another to surpass them in the ladder", what I said is that if tofu beats thota next week it simply cant be enough to take first place cuz thota played a lot more challenges then tofu, and with what I said in first paragraph it seems impossible for u guys to take number 1 by years end

we beat low by 2 games and monkis by 1, not much of a difference, and at that time low was just as strong as tsm today, prolly even stronger, just look at the names playing for low in that challenge also I think thota was a bit stronger back then

interesting fact - 6 present tofu members were part of low in that challenge and thats 1/3 of your clan today

[pmchugh]

I think its entirely possible for tofu to be number 1 by the end of the year, they have simply blown everyone away so far albiet without really facing any top top competition. If they were to get 2 or 3 wins against top clans and thansk to the CC they will get a chance or two, then who says the couldnt go top of the ladder? (also note you don't know how the ladder will change when its updated).

And no one can argue that TOFU aren't capable of beating every clan there is, whether they do or not is a different matter.

[Dako]

Well, we have 8 months to do so :-).

[Chuuuuck]

We can all argue the ifs and buts, but the bottom line is we don't even have a reliable way of placing clans. Since clan wars are so large and you can only play in a few a year then it is impossible to go by win% or most other data. But at the same time you can't strictly go by number of wins either because we get to pick our competition and someone at the top can just pick people they know they will beat and never face top competition.

I think everyone in clans agree that right now is THOTA is #1, end of story. But we shouldn't argue over what would happen if someone beat them because there won't be a definitive answer to that question if it happened, much less before it happens. I look at it like sports, in college basketball this year Duke won the championship, well Kentucky can claim, "we have a better track record, we beat better people, we have won more games" but it doesn't matter. They didn't win the game that counted. So in all reality, I think if someone beats THOTA then they can make a claim to the top spot. Yes, most people can still say 9 times out of 10 THOTA would beat that clan but that clan has a right to make their claim to fame IMO.

It is my opinion that all ladders should be shown out and there isn't a #1 at all times. There should be a league/tournament every year and the winner of that is considered the best that year. Then the records are kept for who won the championship. Clan wars are much more comparable to sporting matches than other video games because you are limited to how many you can play in a period of time.

[nikola_milicki]

I for one will be voting no on tofu-thota challenge till they beat well lets say monkis

Not quite sure I understand your logic here. Why would you vote "no" to a challenge vs TOFU? Would you vote "yes" to a challenge vs another clan who has not played TSM yet? Are you saying that any potential challenger must face TSM as a prerequisite to facing THOTA?

THOTA is without a doubt the #1 clan right now, followed very closely by TSM. I don't think anyone in TOFU would claim we deserve to be ranked higher. It is reasonable to say a clan would need to beat both TSM and THOTA to be viewed as the #1 clan, but to flat out turn down a challenge from us just makes it look like you are afraid of the outcome. That being said, a challenge of TOFU-THOTA or TOFU-TSM would be a lot of fun and while TOFU would be underdogs in both, I think we could give you guys a run for your money.

well maybe Im wrong about voting no, dunno, I just feel like u guys need to wait a bit longer, play more challenges, get up to third or second place, ur a new clan and we won a challenge against 1/3 of tofu already (there are 6 ppl in tofu who are former low members and have played in thota-low challenge), plus there are still other good clans out there we havent played yet and think they shud get a shot b4 tofu does

fact is a few players who lost to thota left their clan, gathered up some new players, doesnt really mather how many, and now they think they deserve a rematch just like that, doesnt feel right to me, and other 2/3 of tofu played only like 100 challenge games so far, think u guys need to do some more work to deserve a challenge, thota doesnt have to say 'yes sure, right away' just bcuz u have great players on the list

edit:
look at it this way, we beat goons, monkis, low (1/3 tofu), G1, KOE, regulators and others over last 3 years, who did tofu beat???