Conqueror's Cup 2010. Winners Knights of the round table !!

[Chuuuuck]

and not surprised to see TOFU still didnt post their votes, CoF usually replay on PM after 2-3 weeks

Well, maybe I like to do my homework first

"'Tis better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"

nah, people removed their doubts about me long time ago

That would have been a great idea to assure no foul play. We got ours in right away, and I am happy to post them if anyone would like to see. I'm all for transparency

i dont think anyone would cheat, although it looks like right thing to do
and transparency would be bad idea, trust me people here just wait for something to complain about, so lets not give them anything

Agreed

[Chuuuuck]

*Updated play-in game format on first post*

-20 games
-1 singles, 3 doubles, 3 triples, 3 quads from each side.

[khazalid]

we didnt know how to order everyone, so in the end we just made comic draw some straws. everyone alright with that?

[Chuuuuck]

The first post of this forum has been updated under "organization" to show how the progression of the clan wars will be handled to make sure everyone is keeping up and one clan can not slow down the rest of the tournament.

It has also been determined that if any player gets kicked off of the site while playing in any tournament games, those games will stand AS IS regardless of the result of the game. It will not be thrown out and it will not be replayed no matter what.

[Kinnison]

Request Clarification on 1v1s.

I don't think I saw this addressed. Two similar questions:
Given: Best of 5 for a 1v1. All games made by the "home" player of that 1v1 match.

1> Does a 1v1 match count as ONE or FIVE games against that player's game load? i.e. in an early (not play in) CW, a player can participate in only 15 games. If one player plays both 1v1 matches, is he then only able to participate in FIVE other games?

2> Each map only usable one per side per Clan War. So the 5 1v1 maps used must all be different as well? and may not be used by THAT SIDE in any multiplayer games?

I'm pretty sure I know the answers to these, especially the second one. But the way the 1v1s are noted in organization made me wonder JUST enough to ask, and make sure EVERYONE is reading it the same way.

[Chuuuuck]

Request Clarification on 1v1s.

I don't think I saw this addressed. Two similar questions:
Given: Best of 5 for a 1v1. All games made by the "home" player of that 1v1 match.

1> Does a 1v1 match count as ONE or FIVE games against that player's game load? i.e. in an early (not play in) CW, a player can participate in only 15 games. If one player plays both 1v1 matches, is he then only able to participate in FIVE other games?

2> Each map only usable one per side per Clan War. So the 5 1v1 maps used must all be different as well? and may not be used by THAT SIDE in any multiplayer games?

I'm pretty sure I know the answers to these, especially the second one. But the way the 1v1s are noted in organization made me wonder JUST enough to ask, and make sure EVERYONE is reading it the same way.

Thank you for asking. I want to make sure everyone is on the same page. 5 1v1 games make up 1 set. That set counts as only 1 game for a player, not 5. That set also only counts as that map being used 1 time by the clan that presented that map, meaning they can still use it 1 more time in another game type (doubles, triples, or quads). I hope this clarifies it. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

[Kinnison]

Request Clarification on 1v1s.

I don't think I saw this addressed. Two similar questions:
Given: Best of 5 for a 1v1. All games made by the "home" player of that 1v1 match.

1> Does a 1v1 match count as ONE or FIVE games against that player's game load? i.e. in an early (not play in) CW, a player can participate in only 15 games. If one player plays both 1v1 matches, is he then only able to participate in FIVE other games?

2> Each map only usable one per side per Clan War. So the 5 1v1 maps used must all be different as well? and may not be used by THAT SIDE in any multiplayer games?

I'm pretty sure I know the answers to these, especially the second one. But the way the 1v1s are noted in organization made me wonder JUST enough to ask, and make sure EVERYONE is reading it the same way.

Thank you for asking. I want to make sure everyone is on the same page. 5 1v1 games make up 1 set. That set counts as only 1 game for a player, not 5. That set also only counts as that map being used 1 time by the clan that presented that map, meaning they can still use it 1 more time in another game type (doubles, triples, or quads). I hope this clarifies it. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

Actually, yes. Your statement makes it sound as though all 5 games are to be played with identical settings on the same map. Is that correct, or MAY the home team vary it?

And in the play in roundss, where a map can only be used once, the 1v1 games would "use up" the map... okay, thanks.

[Lubawski]

Actually, yes. Your statement makes it sound as though all 5 games are to be played with identical settings on the same map. Is that correct, or MAY the home team vary it?

And in the play in roundss, where a map can only be used once, the 1v1 games would "use up" the map... okay, thanks.

All five 1v1s must have identical settings on the same map (if you want multiple maps, the way to get around the rule is to choose the random map, but then you don't control where you play). You may not have your five games be on different maps otherwise.

The 1v1 set of five games only counts as one map. If you put forward the Random map, that would not count against your map count regardless of how the random played out.

Hope that helped. If you want an example, you can look at http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=442&t=96650&start=0. It is our challenge against Nemesis which had 1v1s (best of 5, same as here).

[pmchugh]

Actually, yes. Your statement makes it sound as though all 5 games are to be played with identical settings on the same map. Is that correct, or MAY the home team vary it?

And in the play in roundss, where a map can only be used once, the 1v1 games would "use up" the map... okay, thanks.

All five 1v1s must have identical settings on the same map (if you want multiple maps, the way to get around the rule is to choose the random map, but then you don't control where you play). You may not have your five games be on different maps otherwise.

The 1v1 set of five games only counts as one map. If you put forward the Random map, that would not count against your map count regardless of how the random played out.

Hope that helped. If you want an example, you can look at http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=442&t=96650&start=0. It is our challenge against Nemesis which had 1v1s (best of 5, same as here).

Just had to point out those 1v1's didn't you

[Blitzaholic]

Request Clarification on 1v1s.

I don't think I saw this addressed. Two similar questions:
Given: Best of 5 for a 1v1. All games made by the "home" player of that 1v1 match.

1> Does a 1v1 match count as ONE or FIVE games against that player's game load? i.e. in an early (not play in) CW, a player can participate in only 15 games. If one player plays both 1v1 matches, is he then only able to participate in FIVE other games?

2> Each map only usable one per side per Clan War. So the 5 1v1 maps used must all be different as well? and may not be used by THAT SIDE in any multiplayer games?

I'm pretty sure I know the answers to these, especially the second one. But the way the 1v1s are noted in organization made me wonder JUST enough to ask, and make sure EVERYONE is reading it the same way.

Thank you for asking. I want to make sure everyone is on the same page. 5 1v1 games make up 1 set. That set counts as only 1 game for a player, not 5. That set also only counts as that map being used 1 time by the clan that presented that map, meaning they can still use it 1 more time in another game type (doubles, triples, or quads). I hope this clarifies it. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

Thx for the clarification

now, does all 5 (1 v 1) games have to be played all by one player?

[Chuuuuck]

Request Clarification on 1v1s.

I don't think I saw this addressed. Two similar questions:
Given: Best of 5 for a 1v1. All games made by the "home" player of that 1v1 match.

1> Does a 1v1 match count as ONE or FIVE games against that player's game load? i.e. in an early (not play in) CW, a player can participate in only 15 games. If one player plays both 1v1 matches, is he then only able to participate in FIVE other games?

2> Each map only usable one per side per Clan War. So the 5 1v1 maps used must all be different as well? and may not be used by THAT SIDE in any multiplayer games?

I'm pretty sure I know the answers to these, especially the second one. But the way the 1v1s are noted in organization made me wonder JUST enough to ask, and make sure EVERYONE is reading it the same way.

Thank you for asking. I want to make sure everyone is on the same page. 5 1v1 games make up 1 set. That set counts as only 1 game for a player, not 5. That set also only counts as that map being used 1 time by the clan that presented that map, meaning they can still use it 1 more time in another game type (doubles, triples, or quads). I hope this clarifies it. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

Thx for the clarification

now, does all 5 (1 v 1) games have to be played all by one player?

Yes, they do.

[ahunda]

Is the use of Random map unlimited ? Or does it count the same as all other maps & can be used only twice per challenge ?

[freakns]

If you want an example, you can look at http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=442&t=96650&start=0. It is our challenge against Nemesis which had 1v1s (best of 5, same as here).

yeah, take that challenge, sure! pfffffffff! someone delete that thread! mods, hello! anyone! i want to claim that never happen and kind of cant do that while there is a thread that would prove me wrong!

ps. how much more lazy asses should give us their ladder? i want to know how good bad we are!

[Lubawski]

If you want an example, you can look at http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=442&t=96650&start=0. It is our challenge against Nemesis which had 1v1s (best of 5, same as here).

yeah, take that challenge, sure! pfffffffff! someone delete that thread! mods, hello! anyone! i want to claim that never happen and kind of cant do that while there is a thread that would prove me wrong!

ps. how much more lazy asses should give us their ladder? i want to know how good bad we are!

Freak, that challenge was one of our toughest. I know the score is lopsided, but that was all the 2nd half. Our guys really buckled down tight. I think people will quickly find how tough you are in this tourney. I don't think there will be many (if any) easy wins out there. It's the reason I love the NCAA college basketball tournament. Any of the teams out there can win. It's the upsets that make it great.

[freakns]

It's the reason I love the NCAA college basketball tournament. Any of the teams out there can win. It's the upsets that make it great.

you know that i will always agree with you on sports metaphors(Kentucky loosing to South Carolina, wth was that?! )

[Chuuuuck]

Is the use of Random map unlimited ? Or does it count the same as all other maps & can be used only twice per challenge ?

Interesting question. I would say the use of Random is unlimited because the reason behind map restrictions is to keep clans from playing the same map over and over which they are good at and to encourage using more maps to show all around strategy. Using random maps accomplishes both of those things. I would love to hear if someone has a differing opinion but I would think it is unlimited.

[ahunda]

I would say the use of Random is unlimited because the reason behind map restrictions is to keep clans from playing the same map over and over which they are good at and to encourage using more maps to show all around strategy. Using random maps accomplishes both of those things.

I personally disagree. I think, random map is actually a gamble, that adds just another luck factor.

A set of random maps is a bit like a lottery: Clan A might get lucky & get all the right maps for their teams, whilst Clan B might get it all wrong and have their Waterloo experts stuck on City Mogul, their Iraq experts stuck on AoR, their Feudal experts on Iraq, etc.

I think, it´s the fairer & more meaningful competition to have the strongest teams of each clan compete on their maps.

It´s one strength of a clan to know their members strengths & weaknesses and play those as effective as possible. Forming the right teams for the right maps & settings.

IA would probably not play an all-random challenge right now. And I don´t think, many of our members would be happy to be forced to play an all-random set in this tourney.

[Bruceswar]

I would say the use of Random is unlimited because the reason behind map restrictions is to keep clans from playing the same map over and over which they are good at and to encourage using more maps to show all around strategy. Using random maps accomplishes both of those things.

I personally disagree. I think, random map is actually a gamble, that adds just another luck factor.

A set of random maps is a bit like a lottery: Clan A might get lucky & get all the right maps for their teams, whilst Clan B might get it all wrong and have their Waterloo experts stuck on City Mogul, their Iraq experts stuck on AoR, their Feudal experts on Iraq, etc.

I think, it´s the fairer & more meaningful competition to have the strongest teams of each clan compete on their maps.

It´s one strength of a clan to know their members strengths & weaknesses and play those as effective as possible. Forming the right teams for the right maps & settings.

IA would probably not play an all-random challenge right now. And I don´t think, many of our members would be happy to be forced to play an all-random set in this tourney.

100% agree with Ahunda. Randoms need to be limited.

[Namor]

Request Clarification on 1v1s.

I don't think I saw this addressed. Two similar questions:
Given: Best of 5 for a 1v1. All games made by the "home" player of that 1v1 match.

1> Does a 1v1 match count as ONE or FIVE games against that player's game load? i.e. in an early (not play in) CW, a player can participate in only 15 games. If one player plays both 1v1 matches, is he then only able to participate in FIVE other games?

2> Each map only usable one per side per Clan War. So the 5 1v1 maps used must all be different as well? and may not be used by THAT SIDE in any multiplayer games?

I'm pretty sure I know the answers to these, especially the second one. But the way the 1v1s are noted in organization made me wonder JUST enough to ask, and make sure EVERYONE is reading it the same way.

Thank you for asking. I want to make sure everyone is on the same page. 5 1v1 games make up 1 set. That set counts as only 1 game for a player, not 5. That set also only counts as that map being used 1 time by the clan that presented that map, meaning they can still use it 1 more time in another game type (doubles, triples, or quads). I hope this clarifies it. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

Thx for the clarification

now, does all 5 (1 v 1) games have to be played all by one player?

Yes, they do.

Thanks for the clarification.

Do all 5 games have to be played with the same set of crappy dice.

[Chuuuuck]

I would say the use of Random is unlimited because the reason behind map restrictions is to keep clans from playing the same map over and over which they are good at and to encourage using more maps to show all around strategy. Using random maps accomplishes both of those things.

I personally disagree. I think, random map is actually a gamble, that adds just another luck factor.

A set of random maps is a bit like a lottery: Clan A might get lucky & get all the right maps for their teams, whilst Clan B might get it all wrong and have their Waterloo experts stuck on City Mogul, their Iraq experts stuck on AoR, their Feudal experts on Iraq, etc.

I think, it´s the fairer & more meaningful competition to have the strongest teams of each clan compete on their maps.

It´s one strength of a clan to know their members strengths & weaknesses and play those as effective as possible. Forming the right teams for the right maps & settings.

IA would probably not play an all-random challenge right now. And I don´t think, many of our members would be happy to be forced to play an all-random set in this tourney.

100% agree with Ahunda. Randoms need to be limited.

That is fine with me. Do you think randoms should be allowed the same number of times as any other map or do you think we should allow at least a few more since it isn't like a clan is taking advantage of one specific map?

[Bruceswar]

That is fine with me. Do you think randoms should be allowed the same number of times as any other map or do you think we should allow at least a few more since it isn't like a clan is taking advantage of one specific map?

Same as the other maps, to keep things even. It will also eliminate any chance for debate on how many are fair.

[Georgerx7di]

It's the reason I love the NCAA college basketball tournament. Any of the teams out there can win. It's the upsets that make it great.

you know that i will always agree with you on sports metaphors(Kentucky loosing to South Carolina, wth was that?! )

I personally would rank Nemesis 8th, but I think that you will get something a little bit lower than that. Perhaps between 10 and 12, because many will discount you a bit based on you guys loosing HA. Also the lose to Empire being by a good margin. Like I said though, I would vote you guys 8th if I were voting.


As for random maps, 2 times seems a bit low. Perhaps a separate number for random, something between 5 and 10 sounds reasonable.

[Bruceswar]

It's the reason I love the NCAA college basketball tournament. Any of the teams out there can win. It's the upsets that make it great.

you know that i will always agree with you on sports metaphors(Kentucky loosing to South Carolina, wth was that?! )

I personally would rank Nemesis 8th, but I think that you will get something a little bit lower than that. Perhaps between 10 and 12, because many will discount you a bit based on you guys loosing HA. Also the lose to Empire being by a good margin. Like I said though, I would vote you guys 8th if I were voting.


As for random maps, 2 times seems a bit low. Perhaps a separate number for random, something between 5 and 10 sounds reasonable.

10 of 40 is way too much 25% random is a no go for KORT.

[Chuuuuck]

Ya, I don't want to start a large debate here. Random will just be recognized like any other map. You can use it the same number of times and in the same manner you can use any other map.

[hiddendragon]

Random is another map so it should be same as any map