Jesse, Bad Boy: a discussion

[flashleg8]

I'd also point out that using Che as your avatar with no apparent irony... lord, that's sad.

Explain?

@ everywhere116: Your point about Cuba's poverty? Americas insistence of a blockade is purposely keeping the people of Cuba in poverty buy restricting their trade market, a blight on the conscience of the supposed capitalist free market economy of the USA.

And your points about education: Well its fine for you (going to a posh private school) to espouse to wonders of education on the poverty stricken underclass’s. I feel I have covered why there exists social barriers to lower class people receiving similar standards of education to rich kids like yourself.

[millej11]

XenWho, why don't you post you own logic instead of popping your head in here and there and saying " " And by applauding at what Neutrino said, it shows what kind of person you are.

Neutrino, there is so much flawed logic in what you said that it's hard to even begin commenting on that bullshit.

flashleg, your arguement is a load of crap.

First off, you claim that people cannot get an education based on where they live, but all public schools here are free all the way to high school, and community colleges are not expensive. If someone doesnt have the education to get a job, it means they dropped out of high school, not a good choice at all.

And all of your public schools are full of uninspired teachers, outdated learning materials, viscous bullys, and precisely no reason to continue going there.

So what do you propose we do? Teachers in Cuba are uninspired to work because they don't have to. The "government" will just supply their needs. Here in America, the teachers work for money, they have to be inspired to keep their job. Even in the slums the learning material is better than most other places in the world.

Viscous bullies??? Are you kidding me? No reason? Your logic is that of a two year old.

Second, you claim that it is not easy to get a job. Yet unemployment is going down. That means that jobs are being created, thus employing the poor. You say that people do not want to move from town to town looking for work. I call that laziness. If that is what you have to do to get a job, that is what you have to do. If you are not qualified to get a job, that goes back to education.

So are they supposed to walk, dragging their 60-70 year old parents with them as they walk the 50-100 km to the next town, that is almost identical to th one they just left?

No, they up and move to the next town. If they don't have a job, are poor, and live with a gang, then why would they have strong connections with their parents and the community? Once again you prove nothing.

You also talk of people who are in gang, commit crimes, and are addicted to drugs. Don't get me started about that. If you are a criminal or have a criminal record, let me ask you, why did you break the law? For all those people who think it is cool, I have no sympathy for you if you cannot find a job because of it. Same goes for gangs and drugs. Did people force you to commit crimes? Of course not!

So... these 15 year old kids, with minimal education, ruled buy their hormones, and egged on buy their peers are supposed to calmly refuse to do anything

So you're assuming that they can't think for themselves? Do you think that they need Hilary Clinton to guide them? Once they get a couple buck from the government do you think they will somehow turn their lives around?
Regardless of their education, they have the ability to think for themselves and think for the best of themselves. Period.

Then you rant about kids. I do believe that you cause yourself to have kids. A stork doesnt just bring them to you. You are not saying that they have a right to children, you are saying that people have a right to sex. I am saying that if they cannot take care of the children that may result, they shouldn't have had sex in the first place. Learn to take responsibility for your own actions.

And these hormone saturated, bored teenagers are supposed to restrain all their natural urges in the face of logic? I think not!

How immature and sub retarded are these "kids"??? Once again, they can think for themselves and they can think for the best of themselves.

benmore's lifestyle is based on his smart financial choices. If someone cannot handle money properly, they should go back to school/have finished thier education in the first place. Refer to my arguement on education.

How are they supposed to know how to invest properly if they have minimal education, and no money in the bank?

It doesn't take a college or even highschool education to get a job. It will be a shitty job, but if being poor and homeless is better than money in the bank, than I show them no pity.

If someone is in debt, it is thier own fault for borroweing so much that you cannot pay back. If poor people take thier loans and go on shopping sprees, I will not have any sympathy when they want thier creditors to pardon them. As I said before, learn to take responsibility for your own actions.

But people want to get out of their class, pretend they are better than everyone else. When they come into a bit of money, they will use it to try to get some basic luxeries for themself.

People don't drop out to pretend they are better than someone else. And what can a kid, who is still in school, buy that will make him poor and homeless?

You close your arguement by saying your a communist. I will bet that Cuba's lowest poverty rate since Castro took over is higher than America's highest.

And Cubas population of (Insert correct number here) is supposed to work at how many low paying agricultural jobs (all thats available) exactly?

I'll answer your question with a question. What percent of Cuba is in poverty?

[XenHu]

XenWho, why don't you post you own logic instead of popping your head in here and there and saying " " And by applauding at what Neutrino said, it shows what kind of person you are.

Just because I like pissing you off...

Seriously, I doesn't matter what I say to you, you've spent too much time in Bush's bed to listen to reason..


There will come a day, Mille, when my opinion will be heard.. Until then..


-X

[flashleg8]

I'll answer your question with a question. What percent of Cuba is in poverty?

Since the early 1960s, Cuba had been (and still is) subject to a US-imposed economic blockade. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Eastern European socialist bloc in 1989-91 deprived Cuba of between 50-80% of essential imports such as energy, food, agricultural inputs and medicine.

Cuba has already made poverty history, with indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality, accessibility of health care, nutrition and employment and education equalling or bettering the West. (Before the revolution, life expectancy was 55 years’ old.) The economic crisis of the 1990s was combatted while maintaining the social infrastructure. While in the rest of the world, living standards are counterposed to environmental sustainability, in Cuba living standards were maintained during the 1990s by pioneering developments in transportation, energy and particularly agriculture that have made Cuba a world leader in sustainable development.

Cuban President Fidel Castro described his country’s achievements as being “thanks to its privileged position as a non-member of the IMF”. By taking a socialist path, the Cuban revolution has shown the potential of the non-market in tackling poverty.

[everywhere116]

@ everywhere116: Your point about Cuba's poverty? Americas insistence of a blockade is purposely keeping the people of Cuba in poverty buy restricting their trade market, a blight on the conscience of the supposed capitalist free market economy of the USA.

And why do you think we have an embargo on Cuba? Because they are a communist, militant regime that wants to destroy us that is 30 miles of our shores? Even so, thier poverty isn't our fault. Our country was formed on capitalism. 200 years later we are the greatest nation in the world. The Soviet Union was formed on communism. It didn't last 70 years. Cuba is communist. Makes sense?

[benmor78]

Since the early 1960s, Cuba had been (and still is) subject to a US-imposed economic blockade. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Eastern European socialist bloc in 1989-91 deprived Cuba of between 50-80% of essential imports such as energy, food, agricultural inputs and medicine.

There's another small country that is bullied by a larger neighbor that's constantly threatening to invade, and Taiwan does just fine.

[flashleg8]

Since the early 1960s, Cuba had been (and still is) subject to a US-imposed economic blockade. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Eastern European socialist bloc in 1989-91 deprived Cuba of between 50-80% of essential imports such as energy, food, agricultural inputs and medicine.

There's another small country that is bullied by a larger neighbor that's constantly threatening to invade, and Taiwan does just fine.

Propped up economically and militarily by a corrupt regime (USA).

[everywhere116]

I'll answer your question with a question. What percent of Cuba is in poverty?

Since the early 1960s, Cuba had been (and still is) subject to a US-imposed economic blockade. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Eastern European socialist bloc in 1989-91 deprived Cuba of between 50-80% of essential imports such as energy, food, agricultural inputs and medicine.

Cuba has already made poverty history, with indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality, accessibility of health care, nutrition and employment and education equalling or bettering the West. (Before the revolution, life expectancy was 55 years’ old.) The economic crisis of the 1990s was combatted while maintaining the social infrastructure. While in the rest of the world, living standards are counterposed to environmental sustainability, in Cuba living standards were maintained during the 1990s by pioneering developments in transportation, energy and particularly agriculture that have made Cuba a world leader in sustainable development.

Cuban President Fidel Castro described his country’s achievements as being “thanks to its privileged position as a non-member of the IMF”. By taking a socialist path, the Cuban revolution has shown the potential of the non-market in tackling poverty.

This is worse than your arguement on page 6! Congratulations, you gave me some comedic relef, lost soul.

[flashleg8]

@ everywhere116: Your point about Cuba's poverty? Americas insistence of a blockade is purposely keeping the people of Cuba in poverty buy restricting their trade market, a blight on the conscience of the supposed capitalist free market economy of the USA.

And why do you think we have an embargo on Cuba? Because they are a communist, militant regime that wants to destroy us that is 30 miles of our shores? Even so, thier poverty isn't our fault. Our country was formed on capitalism. 200 years later we are the greatest nation in the world. The Soviet Union was formed on communism. It didn't last 70 years. Cuba is communist. Makes sense?

So your argument is the longest running political structure is the best? Go and find a Pharaoh!

[benmor78]

Since the early 1960s, Cuba had been (and still is) subject to a US-imposed economic blockade. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Eastern European socialist bloc in 1989-91 deprived Cuba of between 50-80% of essential imports such as energy, food, agricultural inputs and medicine.

There's another small country that is bullied by a larger neighbor that's constantly threatening to invade, and Taiwan does just fine.

Propped up economically and militarily by a corrupt regime (USA).

Wow, you're a nut.

[everywhere116]

@ everywhere116: Your point about Cuba's poverty? Americas insistence of a blockade is purposely keeping the people of Cuba in poverty buy restricting their trade market, a blight on the conscience of the supposed capitalist free market economy of the USA.

And why do you think we have an embargo on Cuba? Because they are a communist, militant regime that wants to destroy us that is 30 miles of our shores? Even so, thier poverty isn't our fault. Our country was formed on capitalism. 200 years later we are the greatest nation in the world. The Soviet Union was formed on communism. It didn't last 70 years. Cuba is communist. Makes sense?

So your argument is the longest running political structure is the best? Go and find a Pharaoh!

That isnt what I am saying. I'm saying that we have been economically stable for 200 years. You cant say that Cuba is economically stable at all, let alone longer than the US.

[Huguenots]

why are we talking about cuba this should be about jesse ,badboy

[everywhere116]

why are we talking about cuba this should be about jesse ,badboy

This started going off topic on page 2.

[benmor78]

I'm not sure how Taiwan is bad because it's propped up by the U.S., but Cuba was and is good when it was propped up by the USSR. And, if the U.S. is corrupt, surely you'll admit that the USSR was even more corrupt.

[everywhere116]

I'm not sure how Taiwan is bad because it's propped up by the U.S., but Cuba was and is good when it was propped up by the USSR. And, if the U.S. is corrupt, surely you'll admit that the USSR was even more corrupt.

We are speaking to a genious here.

[flashleg8]

I'm saying that we have been economically stable for 200 years. You cant say that Cuba is economically stable at all, let alone longer than the US.

You've hardly been economically stable for 200 years, Great Depression anyone? Your system of economics goes through bear and bull markets constantly leading to boom and bust economics. I am not saying Cuba (or the USSR) is perfect - these are not true communist societies, merely state capitalist. But these do represent an advance (in my opinion) on the philosophy of greed and selfishness that permeate Western society.

millej11 previously posted about Cuban teachers not working hard because they get paid less, I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

[benmor78]

I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

Except in the U.S. obviously. U.S. teachers are money grubbing whores, right?

[flashleg8]

I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

Except in the U.S. obviously. U.S. teachers are money grubbing whores, right?

No if you read my post, I would believe this to be the same the world over. I'm certain in the US a highly educated graduate could have their pick of highly paid jobs - why would they choose a lower paid teaching job. I believe it’s down to altruism and the fact that a job can be rewarding in other ways than just remuneration.

[Jesse, Bad Boy]

I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

Except in the U.S. obviously. U.S. teachers are money grubbing whores, right?

Having worked in the education system before my current job, that's precisely what it is like.

Or, at least in New York it is.

[millej11]

millej11 previously posted about Cuban teachers not working hard because they get paid less, I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

So what do you propose we do? Teachers in Cuba are uninspired to work because they don't have to. The "government" will just supply their needs. Here in America, the teachers work for money, they have to be inspired to keep their job. Even in the slums the learning material is better than most other places in the world.

don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing remotely close to that.

[flashleg8]

millej11 previously posted about Cuban teachers not working hard because they get paid less, I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

So what do you propose we do? Teachers in Cuba are uninspired to work because they don't have to. The "government" will just supply their needs. Here in America, the teachers work for money, they have to be inspired to keep their job. Even in the slums the learning material is better than most other places in the world.

don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing remotely close to that.

That's exactly what you said!?
Edit: Or possibly I misunderstood your point, which is what exactly?

[millej11]

I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

Except in the U.S. obviously. U.S. teachers are money grubbing whores, right?

Having worked in the education system before my current job, that's precisely what it is like.

Or, at least in New York it is.

No, it isn't like that. Both my parents are teachers, and I am close friends with many teachers both public and private, weather it be college professors or grade school teachers. And teachers aren't payed nearly enough to be "money grubbing whores."

[millej11]

millej11 previously posted about Cuban teachers not working hard because they get paid less, I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

So what do you propose we do? Teachers in Cuba are uninspired to work because they don't have to. The "government" will just supply their needs. Here in America, the teachers work for money, they have to be inspired to keep their job. Even in the slums the learning material is better than most other places in the world.

don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing remotely close to that.

That's exactly what you said!?

Please bold the section of my text where I said that.

[flashleg8]

Please bold the section of my text where I said that.

Sorry, I edited my previous reply. I apologise, I seem to have misunder stood your point. What is it you are saying exactly?

[Jesse, Bad Boy]

I completely disagree - Cuban teachers work harder because they love what they are doing and wish to help educate the people to help improve the community, not merely 9-5 to pick up a quick buck. I'm sure this is the same motivation for teachers the world over, teachers can often get a higher paid job in industry than they ever will in academia.

Except in the U.S. obviously. U.S. teachers are money grubbing whores, right?

Having worked in the education system before my current job, that's precisely what it is like.

Or, at least in New York it is.

No, it isn't like that. Both my parents are teachers, and I am close friends with many teachers both public and private, weather it be college professors or grade school teachers. And teachers aren't payed nearly enough to be "money grubbing whores."

Are we both talking about New York State here?