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Jesse, Bad Boy: a discussion

Postby benmor78 on Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:57 pm

First, let us look at the choice of moniker. Jesse is a sexually ambiguous name, like Pat. However, the appellation "bad boy" seems to eliminate any of that ambiguity. Thus, we can deduce that Jesse is in fact a male, though the choice of "boy" rather than "guy" or some other more age-neutral descriptor is interesting. Does Jesse see himself as a "boy" rather than "man?" There are several possible interpretations:

1) Jesse sees himself as lacking authority or physical presence. Perhaps Jesse lacks power or control over his present circumstances. If Jesse feels powerless in the daily conduct of his life, it's possible that he feels infantilized, i.e., that he feels a lack of ownership of his own destiny.

2) Jesse is, in fact, young. This seems to be invalidated by the fact that Jesse says that he graduated from college 6 years ago, which would put his age in the 26-30 range. Perhaps Jesse sees himself as emotionally immature? There is some validity in this, as Jesse feels a need to pick fights with religious types and chooses the location "Instigating Revolution," diplaying a iconoclastic behavior that is common among adolescents. Of course, this begs the question: is Jesse a bad boy or an attention craving mental adolescent in an elderly body?

What about the choice of Zoidberg as an avatar? Futurama is a derivative program, and Zoidberg is essentially an ancillary character. Picking what is considered a vastly inferior program and an ancillary character validates Jesse's view of himself as someone who tears down the traditional view. Where the unwashed masses might pick Milhouse as an avatar, Jesse stands above it all and picks Zoidberg. Telling, and interesting. I won't even get into the possible interpretatiosn of the phallic symbols dangling in front of Zoidberg's mouth.

I invite you to analyze the avatar and moniker of someone who irritates you.
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Postby areyouincahoots on Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:00 pm

^^^good read! Funniest/most original thing I've read around here in awhile

I'd analyze someone, but no one irritates me at the moment...

I'll get back to you on this one.
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Re: Jesse, Bad Boy: a discussion

Postby XenHu on Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:00 pm

benmor78 wrote:First, let us look at the choice of moniker. Jesse is a sexually ambiguous name, like Pat. However, the appellation "bad boy" seems to eliminate any of that ambiguity. Thus, we can deduce that Jesse is in fact a male, though the choice of "boy" rather than "guy" or some other more age-neutral descriptor is interesting. Does Jesse see himself as a "boy" rather than "man?" There are several possible interpretations:

1) Jesse sees himself as lacking authority or physical presence. Perhaps Jesse lacks power or control over his present circumstances. If Jesse feels powerless in the daily conduct of his life, it's possible that he feels infantilized, i.e., that he feels a lack of ownership of his own destiny.

2) Jesse is, in fact, young. This seems to be invalidated by the fact that Jesse says that he graduated from college 6 years ago, which would put his age in the 26-30 range. Perhaps Jesse sees himself as emotionally immature? There is some validity in this, as Jesse feels a need to pick fights with religious types and chooses the location "Instigating Revolution," diplaying a iconoclastic behavior that is common among adolescents. Of course, this begs the question: is Jesse a bad boy or an attention craving mental adolescent in an elderly body?

What about the choice of Zoidberg as an avatar? Futurama is a derivative program, and Zoidberg is essentially an ancillary character. Picking what is considered a vastly inferior program and an ancillary character validates Jesse's view of himself as someone who tears down the traditional view. Where the unwashed masses might pick Milhouse as an avatar, Jesse stands above it all and picks Zoidberg. Telling, and interesting. I won't even get into the possible interpretatiosn of the phallic symbols dangling in front of Zoidberg's mouth.

I invite you to analyze the avatar and moniker of someone who irritates you.


Are you a Christian?

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Postby benmor78 on Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:04 pm

No. Although I'm sympathetic to religious people, in general. I'd say that I'm "spiritual."
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Postby Ronaldinho on Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:09 pm

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Postby Guiscard on Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:32 pm

Jesus, some people are taking not being on the list pretty hard!
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Postby vtmarik on Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:37 am

I don't believe in his existence either, but he seems to like insisting in his existing, so I guess we'll just have to deal with him...

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Postby reverend_kyle on Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:56 am

Do people really analyze names/avatars that closely? I better get some rainbows in mine.
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Postby MeDeFe on Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:24 am

Have fun analyzing me then.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:32 am

Hates socialized healthcare, and is pro aids.
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Postby Dariune on Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:29 am

Why feel the need to analyse anyone here?

That was funny but certainly not profound in any stretch of the imagination
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Postby millej11 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:43 am

If anyone puts enough thought into their avatar so that they may be completely picked apart and tossed into a corner, then I think they need to try harder at life.
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Re: Jesse, Bad Boy: a discussion

Postby Jesse, Bad Boy on Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:49 pm

benmor78 wrote:First, let us look at the choice of moniker. Jesse is a sexually ambiguous name, like Pat. However, the appellation "bad boy" seems to eliminate any of that ambiguity. Thus, we can deduce that Jesse is in fact a male, though the choice of "boy" rather than "guy" or some other more age-neutral descriptor is interesting. Does Jesse see himself as a "boy" rather than "man?" There are several possible interpretations:

1) Jesse sees himself as lacking authority or physical presence. Perhaps Jesse lacks power or control over his present circumstances. If Jesse feels powerless in the daily conduct of his life, it's possible that he feels infantilized, i.e., that he feels a lack of ownership of his own destiny.

2) Jesse is, in fact, young. This seems to be invalidated by the fact that Jesse says that he graduated from college 6 years ago, which would put his age in the 26-30 range. Perhaps Jesse sees himself as emotionally immature? There is some validity in this, as Jesse feels a need to pick fights with religious types and chooses the location "Instigating Revolution," diplaying a iconoclastic behavior that is common among adolescents. Of course, this begs the question: is Jesse a bad boy or an attention craving mental adolescent in an elderly body?

What about the choice of Zoidberg as an avatar? Futurama is a derivative program, and Zoidberg is essentially an ancillary character. Picking what is considered a vastly inferior program and an ancillary character validates Jesse's view of himself as someone who tears down the traditional view. Where the unwashed masses might pick Milhouse as an avatar, Jesse stands above it all and picks Zoidberg. Telling, and interesting. I won't even get into the possible interpretatiosn of the phallic symbols dangling in front of Zoidberg's mouth.

I invite you to analyze the avatar and moniker of someone who irritates you.


For all you're cut psychobabble, you're wrong.

For all your petualant little flailing about and faux intellectuality, you have done very little research on the name itself. If I may display where I derive my name from:

Jesse, bad boy
Just come look at what your brother did,
To that girl's precious little whore of a body


Jesse, is a hero in the rock opera "Armory Wars", a concept spanning across several albums created by prog-rock band Coheed and Cambria. The lyrics happen to be among my favorite (the way they just melt into the music, and that it was an important part of the Armory Wars story in that Jesse is killed), and I felt that the persona of Jesse was by far the most interesting (with the nickname of Prize Fighter Inferno and the ability to destroy planets at the hint of falling into the Delirium Trigger, how is that NOT interesting?).

In short, it's no different then me naming myself "Gandalf, Cool Wizard". No hidden meaning, just a reference to something that I enjoy.

As for my avatar, it is a reference to a message board I belonged to ages ago (LUE). I can't remember all the details, but we were carrying on some conversation about the best created Futurama character, and I argued pretty well for Zoidberg, and as an internet splurge, we all used the characters we thought had the most creative merit in our avatars. I have been using Zoidberg here for almost 3 years.

In regards to my location, I am an Anarcho-Capitalist, and spend a good portion of my free time working with local libertarian institutions and especially with a group known as the Free State Project. It's just a somewhat exaggerated view of what I am doing.

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Postby benmor78 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:53 pm

Oh, my... a prog rock fan. A fan of rock operas, no less. Que lastima...
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Postby Jesse, Bad Boy on Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:09 pm

benmor78 wrote:Oh, my... a prog rock fan. A fan of rock operas, no less. Que lastima...



Oh no! What does your earth and field shattering ability to psycho-analyze without the proper knowledge of the subject tell you about me now?
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Re: Jesse, Bad Boy: a discussion

Postby XenHu on Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:12 pm

In regards to my location, I am an Anarcho-Capitalist




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Postby benmor78 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:18 pm

Jesse, Bad Boy wrote:
benmor78 wrote:Oh, my... a prog rock fan. A fan of rock operas, no less. Que lastima...



Oh no! What does your earth and field shattering ability to psycho-analyze without the proper knowledge of the subject tell you about me now?


That you're a jackass. But I had deduced that earlier.
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Postby Jesse, Bad Boy on Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:29 pm

benmor78 wrote:
Jesse, Bad Boy wrote:
benmor78 wrote:Oh, my... a prog rock fan. A fan of rock operas, no less. Que lastima...



Oh no! What does your earth and field shattering ability to psycho-analyze without the proper knowledge of the subject tell you about me now?


That you're a jackass. But I had deduced that earlier.


*shrugs*

Whatever. You hardly know me, much less have seen a good portion of my posts. On the other hand, I really don't care. I have had people dislike me all through my life, and people will continue to dislike me. Just because you make a comedic (and I use the word "comedic" loosely) post attempting to belittle me doesn't mean you deserve some special recognition on the list of people who dislike me.

I think this whole ordeal has given us a bit of insight into your personality; you don't like being made to look stupid, so you must compensate it by attacking those you feel to be superior to you.
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Postby benmor78 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:31 pm

And, pray tell, how have I been made to look stupid?

And yes, I imagine that you have been disliked by a goodly number of people of the years. That doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Postby Backglass on Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:32 pm

benmor78 wrote:Oh, my... a prog rock fan.


No...a Coheed and Cambria fan!! I have new respect for Jesse.

They are an awesome band, although I never considered them "prog rock" and never knew they wrote a rock opera.

I just like their song "The Suffering"..a lot.
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Postby vtmarik on Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:13 pm

Coheed and Cambria? Progressive Rock?

I might've liked them if their music didn't make my gullet turn inside-out.

*goes to the Free State Project site*

So the whole point is to get 20,000 people to move to New Hampshire? That's it? That's your big plan? You think that by moving 20,000 people into a new state is going to change how that state votes?

Well, good luck. Hope it works out for you. If it doesn't, well, New Hampshire's a great state to live in anyhow.
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Postby Jesse, Bad Boy on Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:20 pm

vtmarik wrote:Coheed and Cambria? Progressive Rock?

I might've liked them if their music didn't make my gullet turn inside-out.


*shrugs*

One mans trash is another mans dinner.

*goes to the Free State Project site*

So the whole point is to get 20,000 people to move to New Hampshire? That's it? That's your big plan? You think that by moving 20,000 people into a new state is going to change how that state votes?


Sure, if you water it down like that. If I may quote a friend of mine who wrote a more detailed (as he is more involved then I am) review of the goals, I think you'll see the concepts behind it:

I am a member of the Free State Project, which is an informal group that has decided to take one small step in an effort to restore the principles of liberty back into american values, something which has been lost due to the tactic of "incrementalism" which politicians have used to chisel away at this countries foundation for the last two hundred, year and the last 50 years in particular when it has gotten exponentially worse.

While every member of the Free State Project has their own personal belief and ideology, the one common denominator is that we are absolute believers in liberty. We are silly enough to believe in the principles upon which this country were founded.

No member can speak for any other, other than to say we all believe absolutely in liberty. However, as for myself, I believe in promoting laissez-faire capitalism, and as a start, would like to see this country get back to its Constitutional roots. I would like to see the U.S. Constitution interpreted and applied, the way the Founders of this country wanted it to be applied. Specifically, this starts with the abolition of about 90+ percent of the current federal government, whos myriad alphabet soup agencies are not authorized to exist as per constitutional mandate.

Doing this has many beneficial effects. First, it goes a long way towards restoring liberty in this country. Secondly, it puts approximately 90 percent more money back in your pocket, where it belongs. You earned it. It is yours. So many people in this country are concerned about the fact that they cannot afford the necessities of life. They cannot afford it, primarily because Uncle Sam has reached into your pocket and taken the majority of your money.

What exactly are "Free Staters" doing?

Well, what we are doing is pretty bold, and takes a bit of committment. We are taking over the state of New Hampshire, slowly but surely. We are people from all over the country, who have vowed to move to New Hampshire, get involved one way or another, and change that state for the better. Ultimately, our goal would be for the "domino theory" to take effect, and to change other states. However, this country is so far gone, that we're just taking things one state at a time.

Why New Hampshire? Well, for one.... because thats the state members chose in a vote. Secondly, it happens to be one of the freest states in the entire country. Fewer states stack up against New Hampshire, other than Wyoming (which many members consider NH's equal), and a few other states like Montana.

The state motto is "Live Free or Die" and the state has had a long history of liberty oriented attitude which is embodied in the state motto. We are the only state in the entire country that allows the Right of Revolution against tyranny, and this Right is actually codified in the NH state Constitution! In these politically-correct times, few or no other states would dare to have such an audacious pro-liberty attitude... but New Hampshire has always had that attitude, as we were one of the original colonies, and one of the more staunch supporters of revolt against Britain, who at the time was our opressor.

Well... now, there is a new spectre that haunts this country. It is not England. It is leviathan. It is, the federal government who has expanded to near omnipotent levels, something this countries Founders had never intended. We know that they did not intend this, because thousands of pages of writing to verify this exists to this day to prove this point. Constititional scholars know this. Arguably, many politicians know this also, as many are quite educated. Problem is, politicians just dont care. We live in new times, and big government is simply where its at. With "big government" comes less liberty, and less money in your pocket.

So how many Free Staters are there? ... Well, I am not exactly sure what the current number is, but many thousands of people support the project in one way or another, and many people have made the move their already.

Recently, 1,000 additional people pledged to move to New Hampshire within approximately 2 years. Thats on top of the people who have moved there already, and have been there for about 2 years now.

The work these 'early-movers' have done is just phenomenal. These people have real intenstinal fortitude. They are really sticking it to 'big government' every chance they get (and are getting arrest records to prove that they are so dedicated that their willing to put their ass on the line). Of course, every Free Stater tackles the big government problem in his own way. Some work inside the system by actually running for office (and getting elected!), while others take more unorthodox approaches.


Well, good luck. Hope it works out for you. If it doesn't, well, New Hampshire's a great state to live in anyhow.


I lived there for a while myself. I can't wait to get back.
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Postby millej11 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:29 pm

If the government has taken enough money from you so that you are living in poverty, you either:
A: Suck at life
B: Are very unintelligent, resulting in that you suck at life.
C: Can't manage your own funds, the result of being very unintelligent. Which your klan seems to be supporting. Hey everyone, just be poor and waste your money, these guys will bail you out.

Fighting for a the rights of people who don't know enough to invest in private accounts and/or are too lazy to do so is a huge waste of time and life. And we all know that time is money, so quit wasting money.

I pity you and your attempts at inevitable failure.
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Postby Guiscard on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:32 pm

millej11 wrote:If the government has taken enough money from you so that you are living in poverty, you either:
A: Suck at life
B: Are very unintelligent, resulting in that you suck at life.
C: Can't manage your own funds, the result of being very unintelligent. Which your klan seems to be supporting. Hey everyone, just be poor and waste your money, these guys will bail you out.

Fighting for a the rights of people who don't know enough to invest in private accounts and/or are too lazy to do so is a huge waste of time and life. And we all know that time is money, so quit wasting money.

I pity you and your attempts at inevitable failure.


Or you're born into a poor area, sink estate, in a family with no prospects and completely inadequate government benefits. Its a cycle some people cannot break.
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Postby millej11 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:40 pm

My friend in highschool came from the poorest family in the town. On top of that, his house was burned down once and severely damaged in a tornado. He ended up being the valedictorian and got a full ride to one of the top colleges in the state.

no way out huh :roll:

Lets just throw money on them so that never have to work hard for what they want.
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