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Presidential Hostility, Media Hostility

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... Teabagging, defined by urban dictionary as:

1. The act of putting your balls in and out of a persons mouth.

2. The act of lowering one's balls onto someones face, or into their mouth while they are laying down. Kind of resembles dipping a tea bag into a hot cup of water.

... During a meeting with Dems to push for votes on the healthcare grab:

“Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.”

... Now, perhaps it was meant with the sexual slant and perhaps it was not. I am thinking it wasn't, but who knows with this guy?

... And everybody on the left is throwing this word, "teabaggers", about, with snide agression. Take a look at just about any leftward web site and this word is everywhere, as is "birthers", "flat-earthers", and of course, "right-wing extremists". Hell, these terms have been used on major television media. Perhaps this is their approach when reasonable argument fails, when the battle of ideas has been lost?

... What is at least as objectionable is the President's reference to those in opposition to his policies as "Extremists".

... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...
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Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Well, Obama's experience with the teabag crowd so far hasn't been great. First they accused him of being Kenyan despite reams of evidence that would indicate otherwise. Then they called him a socialist when he tried to reform our miserable health care system. Now they are calling him limp-wristed because he hasn't succeeded.

They have kind of been huge douche bags. Should the guy be smiling down at this or something? Plus, he's trying to make the point that their arguments are entirely emotional based, with any vague grounding in logic only there for show (I am not saying this about all right-wingers, rather that segment of the right wing that feels Glenn Beck would be a good president).
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Frigidus wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Well, Obama's experience with the teabag crowd so far hasn't been great. First they accused him of being Kenyan despite reams of evidence that would indicate otherwise. Then they called him a socialist when he tried to reform our miserable health care system. Now they are calling him limp-wristed because he hasn't succeeded.

They have kind of been huge douche bags. Should the guy be smiling down at this or something? Plus, he's trying to make the point that their arguments are entirely emotional based, with any vague grounding in logic only there for show (I am not saying this about all right-wingers, rather that segment of the right wing that feels Glenn Beck would be a good president).


... It's pretty obvious you've never actually spoken to any of these people. Kenyan birth? Emotionally based? I am sure you haven't. I'd guess you've only seen what was put on your television.

...<EDIT> Or what's been put on MoveOn.org, et al.

...
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Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Bush (both), Ronald Reagan ... etc. Yes, Clinton also.

This is just the first time in a while it is conservatives and not liberals who are more under fire.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Bush (both), Ronald Reagan ... etc. Yes, Clinton also.

This is just the first time in a while it is conservatives and not liberals who are more under fire.


... Please cite specific incidents of this hostility.

...
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Nobunaga wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Bush (both), Ronald Reagan ... etc. Yes, Clinton also.

This is just the first time in a while it is conservatives and not liberals who are more under fire.


... Please cite specific incidents of this hostility.

...


Reagan making AIDS jokes in 1987?
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Nobunaga wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Well, Obama's experience with the teabag crowd so far hasn't been great. First they accused him of being Kenyan despite reams of evidence that would indicate otherwise. Then they called him a socialist when he tried to reform our miserable health care system. Now they are calling him limp-wristed because he hasn't succeeded.

They have kind of been huge douche bags. Should the guy be smiling down at this or something? Plus, he's trying to make the point that their arguments are entirely emotional based, with any vague grounding in logic only there for show (I am not saying this about all right-wingers, rather that segment of the right wing that feels Glenn Beck would be a good president).


... It's pretty obvious you've never actually spoken to any of these people. Kenyan birth? Emotionally based? I am sure you haven't. I'd guess you've only seen what was put on your television.

...<EDIT> Or what's been put on MoveOn.org, et al.

...


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Nobunaga wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Bush (both), Ronald Reagan ... etc. Yes, Clinton also.

This is just the first time in a while it is conservatives and not liberals who are more under fire.


... Please cite specific incidents of this hostility.

...


Oh, let's see...

references to Global warming as "garbage science"; talk of the "coming of socialism" for even the smallest of increased funding for social service type issues...

many references to Christianity and such.

Reagan was admittedly much more subtle, but that was back when liberal was no longer painted by most of the media as meaning "out there people who just want to sponge off the government".

For better answers, I would have to dig deeper. This is more difficult because the internet has expanded by many magnitudes almost yearly. Go back to even early Bush years and its more sketchy than today.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Bush (both), Ronald Reagan ... etc. Yes, Clinton also.

This is just the first time in a while it is conservatives and not liberals who are more under fire.


... Please cite specific incidents of this hostility.

...


Oh, let's see...

references to Global warming as "garbage science"; talk of the "coming of socialism" for even the smallest of increased funding for social service type issues...

many references to Christianity and such.

Reagan was admittedly much more subtle, but that was back when liberal was no longer painted by most of the media as meaning "out there people who just want to sponge off the government".

For better answers, I would have to dig deeper. This is more difficult because the internet has expanded by many magnitudes almost yearly. Go back to even early Bush years and its more sketchy than today.


... That is not what I am asking for. I am asking for examples of disdain/hostility toward a huge portion of the electorate.

...
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Nobunaga wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Bush (both), Ronald Reagan ... etc. Yes, Clinton also.

This is just the first time in a while it is conservatives and not liberals who are more under fire.


... Please cite specific incidents of this hostility.

...


Oh, let's see...

references to Global warming as "garbage science"; talk of the "coming of socialism" for even the smallest of increased funding for social service type issues...

many references to Christianity and such.

Reagan was admittedly much more subtle, but that was back when liberal was no longer painted by most of the media as meaning "out there people who just want to sponge off the government".

For better answers, I would have to dig deeper. This is more difficult because the internet has expanded by many magnitudes almost yearly. Go back to even early Bush years and its more sketchy than today.


... That is not what I am asking for. I am asking for examples of disdain/hostility toward a huge portion of the electorate.

...


>implying anyone cares about your childish rant
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TeletubbyPrincess:>implying anyone cares about your childish rant

... You really have no argument, do you? What do you kids learn in school up in Canada? Fishing?

...
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Nobunaga wrote:TeletubbyPrincess:>implying anyone cares about your childish rant

... You really have no argument, do you? What do you kids learn in school up in Canada? Fishing?

...

Same thing as 'merican kids. How to fake homework assignments at the last minute, elemetry reading, some math, spitball gunnery, tight T-shirts start to be spectacular in grade 7 or 8, smokin' aint allowed in school, don't cross the immigrant gang kids, etc. Can't recall anything else that seems particularly usefull.
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2dimes wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:TeletubbyPrincess:>implying anyone cares about your childish rant

... You really have no argument, do you? What do you kids learn in school up in Canada? Fishing?

...

Same thing as 'merican kids. How to fake homework assignments at the last minute, elemetry reading, some math, spitball gunnery, tight T-shirts start to be spectacular in grade 7 or 8, smokin' aint allowed in school, don't cross the immigrant gang kids, etc. Can't recall anything else that seems particularly usefull.


... Okay, I cannot argue against this.

... Just read a report stating that 90% of high school grads in New York cannot do basic algebra.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/edu ... gebra.html

... Depressing.

...
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Yeah sorry educashun sucks. Note I can't even spell elementry. I went to the first parent teacher interview for our daughter hoping to make a difference. I asked in earnist, "I am terrible at spelling, is there any thing I can do to help my daughter?" I was told, "Don't worry about it, spelling isn't even a part of carriculum. Sigh.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...


Bush (both), Ronald Reagan ... etc. Yes, Clinton also.

This is just the first time in a while it is conservatives and not liberals who are more under fire.


Player, you're not talking about the same thing. Calling people who disagree with you "extremists" is being hostile to Americans. Calling global warming "junk science" is hardly the same thing.

No one in this thread has been able to give any semblance of an argument to oppose Nobunaga's position.
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Nobunaga wrote:... Teabagging, defined by urban dictionary as:

1. The act of putting your balls in and out of a persons mouth.

2. The act of lowering one's balls onto someones face, or into their mouth while they are laying down. Kind of resembles dipping a tea bag into a hot cup of water.

... During a meeting with Dems to push for votes on the healthcare grab:

“Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.”

... Now, perhaps it was meant with the sexual slant and perhaps it was not. I am thinking it wasn't, but who knows with this guy?

... And everybody on the left is throwing this word, "teabaggers", about, with snide agression. Take a look at just about any leftward web site and this word is everywhere, as is "birthers", "flat-earthers", and of course, "right-wing extremists". Hell, these terms have been used on major television media. Perhaps this is their approach when reasonable argument fails, when the battle of ideas has been lost?

... What is at least as objectionable is the President's reference to those in opposition to his policies as "Extremists".

... Can anybody recall a President so hostile to his electorate?

...

Typical to the T. How better to define someone who participates with free speech at a tea party, or T.axed E.nough A.lready, than to make a perverted, twisted sexual reference, thereby completely skipping over the issues at hand. Liberalism 101....Name calling is a losing position. Glad to see it's still all the lefties have in their arsenal.
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Serbia wrote:No one in this thread has been able to give any semblance of an argument to oppose Nobunaga's position.


For starters he hasn't presented a position. Secondly, the topic is very dull and it's not surprising that no one wants to respond to nobumga's temper tantrum. 3rdly, you're stating that as if it were some sort of victory - no it is not, this thread is merely proving my theory about you guys being pathetic manchildren.
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TeletubbyPrince wrote:
Serbia wrote:No one in this thread has been able to give any semblance of an argument to oppose Nobunaga's position.


For starters he hasn't presented a position. Secondly, the topic is very dull and it's not surprising that no one wants to respond to nobumga's temper tantrum. 3rdly, you're stating that as if it were some sort of victory - no it is not, this thread is merely proving my theory about you guys being pathetic manchildren.


... And the princess quotes Rush Limbaugh! Priceless.

... It's no wonder this kid cannot comprehend. He is obviously a child, and he's Canadian. Might as well be from Mozambique, as familiar as he is with the ideas of self-determination and a nation founded with the idea of limited government at its core.

... (Has yet to respond with an actual argument)...

...
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2dimes wrote:Yeah sorry educashun sucks. Note I can't even spell elementry. I went to the first parent teacher interview for our daughter hoping to make a difference. I asked in earnist, "I am terrible at spelling, is there any thing I can do to help my daughter?" I was told, "Don't worry about it, spelling isn't even a part of carriculum. Sigh.



:lol: :lol:

Sorry could not help it.


Education would be a good thing for you. Spelling is also key. Primary school would serve spelling well. :)
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Nobunaga, why don't you frame your argument in an honest manner, then you might get some interesting replies. But why would you, its is pretty clear with the idiotic strawman you're creating you're not interested in honest debate or understanding why a President who in ten months has on numerous occasions stated that he is not just the president of those that elected him. His position is not just to push through leftist agenda(which is pretty fucking obvious from the decisions he has taken up to this point), that this president who claims to want to listen to all the (rational) people in the country, is getting pretty tired of the obstructionist crazies on the right, and the media paying attention, instead of focussing on the actual substantive points in an issue, to the crazies on the right who don't bring anything to the discussion, other than outright lies, and whacko conspiracy theories.

Why you would want to defend those fringe lunatics, I have no idea.
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2dimes wrote:Yeah sorry educashun sucks. Note I can't even spell elementry. I went to the first parent teacher interview for our daughter hoping to make a difference. I asked in earnist, "I am terrible at spelling, is there any thing I can do to help my daughter?" I was told, "Don't worry about it, spelling isn't even a part of carriculum. Sigh.


Stick with plain old-fashioned drills and flash cards.

And .. encourage her to read (plus, you might think about changing school systems, if that is an option).
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Aradhus wrote:Nobunaga, why don't you frame your argument in an honest manner, then you might get some interesting replies. But why would you, its is pretty clear with the 1. idiotic strawman you're creating you're not interested in honest debate or understanding why a President who in ten months has on numerous occasions stated that he is not just the president of those that elected him. His position is not just to push through leftist agenda(which is pretty fucking obvious from the decisions he has taken up to this point), that 2. this president who claims to want to listen to all the (rational) people in the country, is getting pretty tired of the 3.obstructionist crazies on the right, and the media paying attention, instead of focussing on the actual substantive points in an issue, to the 4. crazies on the right who don't bring anything to the discussion, other than outright lies, and whacko conspiracy theories.

Why you would want to defend those fringe lunatics, I have no idea.


... 1. Define the idiotic strawman you see in the argument please.

... 2. At least half of his electorate is opposed to his (and congress') agenda. Is he listening? You really think so?

... 3. Who are these obstructionist crazies you speak of? Be specific if you are going to make such claims.

... 4. Bring nothing to the discussion? This administration and the congress are urinating on the US Constitution. This upsets people in this country. Questions as to the basis of the authority through which our government is doing what it is doing is certainly bringing something to the discussion. ... but you don't have a constitution, so I don't really expect you to understand. We (right wing nut jobs) don't want to be like you (your country).

... And back to my main point - nobody else can pull it off, maybe you can. Show me any instance of hostility by another president which compares to that shown by the Bamster for half his electorate. Teabaggers clinging to their god and guns, what have you.

... So far I'm hearing crickets.

...
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Timminz wrote:Topical.


... "video not found". :(

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Nobunaga wrote:
Timminz wrote:Topical.


... "video not found". :(

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