PMC's Newbie Game. Mafia winz!

[pmchugh]

Vote Count

falko 1 - (simon)
neanderpual 1 - (falko)

Not Voting: Sully, Stroop, Mr. Squirrel, Suspect

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

[Mr. Squirrel]

So, if you say you are a doctor....who did you protect? Because that person must be town, since the mafia tried to lynch and failed.

I know that this will sound strange, but I chose to protect stroop. My choice was based on a WIFOM situation. The obvious choice for me to protect would have been falko, but I figured the mafia would have expected that from me and aimed for a random townie instead. I knew the mafia wouldn't aim for me directly because that would confirm neanderpaul's and sully's guilt.

I'd like to see who neanderpaul claims to have protected. vote neanderpaul

[Simon Viavant]

Oh, yeah, and the squirrel is also in on it, caught red handed chum.

[neanderpaul14]

The scum no doubt about it is neardenpaul. The Doctor is Mr. Squirel, who has to have great information about who protected last night. I have large evidence about it, as all the messages that we had in that time, when I propose him to be his spokesman, to not put him in danger. But when we was arranging that, neardenpaul came with that fake claim.

vote neardenpaul

I would suggest a quicklynch here, since he is 100% scum.

Strange how the little squirrel only posted he was the doctor after I had called you a liar. Scum protecting scum. And by the way I am the doctor and I protected Sully.

Vote Falko

And tomorrow we string up the furry rodent.

[Mr. Squirrel]

The scum no doubt about it is neardenpaul. The Doctor is Mr. Squirel, who has to have great information about who protected last night. I have large evidence about it, as all the messages that we had in that time, when I propose him to be his spokesman, to not put him in danger. But when we was arranging that, neardenpaul came with that fake claim.

vote neardenpaul

I would suggest a quicklynch here, since he is 100% scum.

Strange how the little squirrel only posted he was the doctor after I had called you a liar. Scum protecting scum. And by the way I am the doctor and I protected Sully.

Vote Falko

And tomorrow we string up the furry rodent.

If I wanted to protect a scumbuddy, I wouldn't claim to hold your role. It would put me into too vulnerable of a position. Why would I put both of our lives at risk just to protect his? If we were scum buddies, I would let him die, maybe even join in on the kill, so that I looked innocent.

The only reason I waited to claim was so the mafia wouldn't know my role. I cannot protect myself so revealing my role paints a huge target on my chest. But I couldn't let falko, a proven townie, to die yesterday due to your lying.

Oh, yeah, and the squirrel is also in on it, caught red handed chum.

I don't know why you think falko and I are guilty? Can you give some reasons instead of just blindly siding with paul, you scum?

[Simon Viavant]

Time for the annoying little furball to shut up.

[neanderpaul14]

If I wanted to protect a scumbuddy, I wouldn't claim to hold your role. It would put me into too vulnerable of a position. Why would I put both of our lives at risk just to protect his? If we were scum buddies, I would let him die, maybe even join in on the kill, so that I looked innocent.

There he admits it is my role not his I am the doctor

The only reason I waited to claim was so the mafia wouldn't know my role. I cannot protect myself so revealing my role paints a huge target on my chest. But I couldn't let falko, a proven townie, to die yesterday due to your lying.

And here he says Falko is a proven townie.......HUH???? When and how was this proven??? It Wasn't

Lynch Falko Tomorrow lets lynch the squirrel

[Falkomagno]

well, if this can help to know who is lying and who is not, I'm going to post the dialog that we had before neardental has fakeclaiming.

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 am
by Falkomagno
I think that it's just perfect. Besides, i'm going to sleep right now...so, I'll put that post just as you write it (in fact, english is not my mother tongue, so I doubt I could add style and fancy words )

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:03 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Alright, you can be my spokesman. Why don't you write something like this:

I have been discussing with the doctor who is my mason-partner about the current situation and we have come to some interesting conclusions. We believe we have unequivocal evidence that fuzzy is in fact scum. The doctor still wishes to remain unknown however because if he reveals his role, he will most definitely be targetted by the mafia tonight and he cannot protect himself.

Now, if you look back on the voting history, I was at L-2 for a little while. This would be the perfect opportunity for the mafia to quicklynch me, but they didn't. The only reason for this could be because their members were already in on the bandwagon. The people voting for me were simon, sully, and the penguin. Now, in order for the mafia to be unable to quicklynch me, there would have to already have been two of their members in my bandwagon. This alone gives us a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. Plus, if you look at their recent posts, you will see that sully has been defending fuzzy. Does anyone else see the correlation?

Plus, although both sully and fuzzy deny it, the tracker and watcher roles are pretty straightforward. It is kind of strange to forget something as important as your own role. It seems more than convenient that fuzzy did not have any sort of information for us on his nightly investigation. And it seems even more convenient that he 'accidently' deleted his PM.

And now look at the vote count. Fuzzy is at L-1 (the last vote count is wrong since pmc seems to have not noticed stroop voting for fuzzy). This is the perfect opportunity for a quicklynch by the mafia, yet fuzzy remains safe. Sully refuses to vote for him.

It is in light of this information that my mason partner and I believe that Fuzzy and Sully are scumbuddies.


I think that pretty much sums up our points. The mafia will figure out that the doctor has to be someone already voting for fuzzy, but there's nothing we can do about that. Do you have anything to add?
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:40 am
by Falkomagno
yeah. and there is another fact. Right now you, simon, stroop and me are in the penguin Band wagon. If he were town it's so improbable that he would be still alive. You, and I of course, and 75% sure about simon as well are town, that leads that if penguin is innocent they could quicklynch him long ago. But they don't

So, I propose you, to post the information about the protection of ace...what do yo say?? I could say this or even a stronger post that I can write and give it to you before post, so you can add whatever, and I could be your spokesman, without putting you in risk of being NKed. If that doesn't works, you can claim.

That's because if suspect is scum, the real intention to make you claim is to kill the doc tonight, if we could lynch a mafia right now (penguin). So i think that lose you would be a bad town move...

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:30 am
by Mr. Squirrel
I also just read sully's latest post where he is defending fuzzy. He was also on your bandwagon. It is highly likely that the two of them are scum buddies. And those two are the reason that there was no quicklynch on you.

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:26 am
by Mr. Squirrel
I admit that suspect is acting pretty scummy, but I think fuzzy is even more scummy. For starters, he was very confused with his role. His role is very simple so I find it hard that he would have gotten it confused if that was his actual role. Plus, you were at L-2 at one point. The people voting for you were simon, sully, and fuzzy. The mafia could have easily lynched you at that point, unless two (or more?) of their members were already in on the bandwagon. This means that even if we guessed randomly there is at least a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. That, coupled with his recent behavior makes me believe that he should be the next target for our lynch.

Should I reveal this evidence? I'm asking you because if I'm wrong, we are screwed.
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:06 am
by Falkomagno
No. I'm trying to say that this scenario:

penguin: Town
Suspect: Scum
Neardenpaul: Scum

is not possible.(that three aligments simultaneously)

My second conclusion is about what you just tell me. That you actually protected Ace last night but he was killed anyway. I only can see one way, and the version of Simon makes sense. -you know, simon has claimed that he is an paranoid gun owner- as the only way to get Ace killed. Probably scum tried to kill him, but since you protect him, he wasn't "murdered" by scum. But if he tried to investigate simon, he could received a bullet an that's it.

Now, re-reading, I think likely suspect as scum. What do you think??

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:57 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Sorry but I'm not understanding your conclusions. Are you are saying that Penguin, neanderpaul and suspect are innocent and that simon is scum? If so, please explain further. I'm not sure how you arrive at these conclusions.
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:50 am
by Falkomagno
I was about to post something when I just received your message...that's a relief...

well, first, I'm realized that the VC is wrong, and stroop has voted for fuzzy. So fuzzy is at L-1.

I think that with my vote ,and the vote of simon later, was clear that, if suspect and neardenpaul was scum and penguin innocent they could easily win this, but that didn't happend. So, we can conclude :

1. Penguin townie and Suspec+neardenpaul scum is not possible.

2. If you protect ace yesterday, it's possible that simon has tell the truth...but he was my first suspect so far...even more that fuzzy.

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:40 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Yea, I tried to protect him. I'm not sure what happened though. I never got another message from pmc after I sent him my choice.

Suspect is acting pretty strange but I'm not sure he's scum. He makes a good point that there is no point in hiding any identities at this point since we are at lynch or lose. I just think he is trying to keep us from lynching the wrong person.

Fuzzy is acting very strange. I don't completely trust him and his story but that is what everyone else is saying as well. If it does come to a lynch, I sure hope he is lying.

I'm considering roleclaiming. Fuzzy said that unless the doctor comes out, he will keep his vote on you. His vote brings us one step closer to your lynch, something we can't afford. However, his statement also puts even more suspicion on him (in my eyes at least). It is possible that he is scum trying to stick a bandwagon to you and reveal the doctor's role at the same time. Plus the fact that you haven't been quicklynched yet leads me to believe he might be the scum we are looking for. What's your thoughts?
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:45 pm
by Falkomagno
Hey...I have a question for you...You tried tyo protect ace last night??


It seems like town is with us, well...all but suspect, that is suspicious.

What do you think about fuzzy???

Thats textual writne from my pm box.

Any further comments I'm willing to discuss.

Btw simon, you case is that you believe in neardenpaul? o you have something else against me??

[neanderpaul14]

well, if this can help to know who is lying and who is not, I'm going to post the dialog that we had before neardental has fakeclaiming.

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 am
by Falkomagno
I think that it's just perfect. Besides, i'm going to sleep right now...so, I'll put that post just as you write it (in fact, english is not my mother tongue, so I doubt I could add style and fancy words )

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:03 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Alright, you can be my spokesman. Why don't you write something like this:

I have been discussing with the doctor who is my mason-partner about the current situation and we have come to some interesting conclusions. We believe we have unequivocal evidence that fuzzy is in fact scum. The doctor still wishes to remain unknown however because if he reveals his role, he will most definitely be targetted by the mafia tonight and he cannot protect himself.

Now, if you look back on the voting history, I was at L-2 for a little while. This would be the perfect opportunity for the mafia to quicklynch me, but they didn't. The only reason for this could be because their members were already in on the bandwagon. The people voting for me were simon, sully, and the penguin. Now, in order for the mafia to be unable to quicklynch me, there would have to already have been two of their members in my bandwagon. This alone gives us a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. Plus, if you look at their recent posts, you will see that sully has been defending fuzzy. Does anyone else see the correlation?

Plus, although both sully and fuzzy deny it, the tracker and watcher roles are pretty straightforward. It is kind of strange to forget something as important as your own role. It seems more than convenient that fuzzy did not have any sort of information for us on his nightly investigation. And it seems even more convenient that he 'accidently' deleted his PM.

And now look at the vote count. Fuzzy is at L-1 (the last vote count is wrong since pmc seems to have not noticed stroop voting for fuzzy). This is the perfect opportunity for a quicklynch by the mafia, yet fuzzy remains safe. Sully refuses to vote for him.

It is in light of this information that my mason partner and I believe that Fuzzy and Sully are scumbuddies.


I think that pretty much sums up our points. The mafia will figure out that the doctor has to be someone already voting for fuzzy, but there's nothing we can do about that. Do you have anything to add?
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:40 am
by Falkomagno
yeah. and there is another fact. Right now you, simon, stroop and me are in the penguin Band wagon. If he were town it's so improbable that he would be still alive. You, and I of course, and 75% sure about simon as well are town, that leads that if penguin is innocent they could quicklynch him long ago. But they don't

So, I propose you, to post the information about the protection of ace...what do yo say?? I could say this or even a stronger post that I can write and give it to you before post, so you can add whatever, and I could be your spokesman, without putting you in risk of being NKed. If that doesn't works, you can claim.

That's because if suspect is scum, the real intention to make you claim is to kill the doc tonight, if we could lynch a mafia right now (penguin). So i think that lose you would be a bad town move...

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:30 am
by Mr. Squirrel
I also just read sully's latest post where he is defending fuzzy. He was also on your bandwagon. It is highly likely that the two of them are scum buddies. And those two are the reason that there was no quicklynch on you.

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:26 am
by Mr. Squirrel
I admit that suspect is acting pretty scummy, but I think fuzzy is even more scummy. For starters, he was very confused with his role. His role is very simple so I find it hard that he would have gotten it confused if that was his actual role. Plus, you were at L-2 at one point. The people voting for you were simon, sully, and fuzzy. The mafia could have easily lynched you at that point, unless two (or more?) of their members were already in on the bandwagon. This means that even if we guessed randomly there is at least a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. That, coupled with his recent behavior makes me believe that he should be the next target for our lynch.

Should I reveal this evidence? I'm asking you because if I'm wrong, we are screwed.
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:06 am
by Falkomagno
No. I'm trying to say that this scenario:

penguin: Town
Suspect: Scum
Neardenpaul: Scum

is not possible.(that three aligments simultaneously)

My second conclusion is about what you just tell me. That you actually protected Ace last night but he was killed anyway. I only can see one way, and the version of Simon makes sense. -you know, simon has claimed that he is an paranoid gun owner- as the only way to get Ace killed. Probably scum tried to kill him, but since you protect him, he wasn't "murdered" by scum. But if he tried to investigate simon, he could received a bullet an that's it.

Now, re-reading, I think likely suspect as scum. What do you think??

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:57 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Sorry but I'm not understanding your conclusions. Are you are saying that Penguin, neanderpaul and suspect are innocent and that simon is scum? If so, please explain further. I'm not sure how you arrive at these conclusions.
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:50 am
by Falkomagno
I was about to post something when I just received your message...that's a relief...

well, first, I'm realized that the VC is wrong, and stroop has voted for fuzzy. So fuzzy is at L-1.

I think that with my vote ,and the vote of simon later, was clear that, if suspect and neardenpaul was scum and penguin innocent they could easily win this, but that didn't happend. So, we can conclude :

1. Penguin townie and Suspec+neardenpaul scum is not possible.

2. If you protect ace yesterday, it's possible that simon has tell the truth...but he was my first suspect so far...even more that fuzzy.

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:40 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Yea, I tried to protect him. I'm not sure what happened though. I never got another message from pmc after I sent him my choice.

Suspect is acting pretty strange but I'm not sure he's scum. He makes a good point that there is no point in hiding any identities at this point since we are at lynch or lose. I just think he is trying to keep us from lynching the wrong person.

Fuzzy is acting very strange. I don't completely trust him and his story but that is what everyone else is saying as well. If it does come to a lynch, I sure hope he is lying.

I'm considering roleclaiming. Fuzzy said that unless the doctor comes out, he will keep his vote on you. His vote brings us one step closer to your lynch, something we can't afford. However, his statement also puts even more suspicion on him (in my eyes at least). It is possible that he is scum trying to stick a bandwagon to you and reveal the doctor's role at the same time. Plus the fact that you haven't been quicklynched yet leads me to believe he might be the scum we are looking for. What's your thoughts?
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:45 pm
by Falkomagno
Hey...I have a question for you...You tried tyo protect ace last night??


It seems like town is with us, well...all but suspect, that is suspicious.

What do you think about fuzzy???

Thats textual writne from my pm box.

Any further comments I'm willing to discuss.

Btw simon, you case is that you believe in neardenpaul? o you have something else against me??

Wow I'm very impressed with your ability to manufacture fake PMs, now show me the PMs that prove the existence of the Tooth Fairy.

[Suspect101]

I have something to post that will give us lots of information, but first I would like stroop and sully to claim. so I do not put my foot in my mouth.

Role Claims:

Mr Squirrel - Dr.
Stroop - ?
neanderpaul14 - Dr.
falkomagno - Nurse Mason
sully800 - ?
suspect101 - will claim in a few
simon v - PGO

Can I ask your roles stroop and sully and your actions last night? after all you two were on the tail end of the fuzzy lynch, which seemed shady from the start.

[Mr. Squirrel]

well, if this can help to know who is lying and who is not, I'm going to post the dialog that we had before neardental has fakeclaiming.

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 am
by Falkomagno
I think that it's just perfect. Besides, i'm going to sleep right now...so, I'll put that post just as you write it (in fact, english is not my mother tongue, so I doubt I could add style and fancy words )

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:03 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Alright, you can be my spokesman. Why don't you write something like this:

I have been discussing with the doctor who is my mason-partner about the current situation and we have come to some interesting conclusions. We believe we have unequivocal evidence that fuzzy is in fact scum. The doctor still wishes to remain unknown however because if he reveals his role, he will most definitely be targetted by the mafia tonight and he cannot protect himself.

Now, if you look back on the voting history, I was at L-2 for a little while. This would be the perfect opportunity for the mafia to quicklynch me, but they didn't. The only reason for this could be because their members were already in on the bandwagon. The people voting for me were simon, sully, and the penguin. Now, in order for the mafia to be unable to quicklynch me, there would have to already have been two of their members in my bandwagon. This alone gives us a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. Plus, if you look at their recent posts, you will see that sully has been defending fuzzy. Does anyone else see the correlation?

Plus, although both sully and fuzzy deny it, the tracker and watcher roles are pretty straightforward. It is kind of strange to forget something as important as your own role. It seems more than convenient that fuzzy did not have any sort of information for us on his nightly investigation. And it seems even more convenient that he 'accidently' deleted his PM.

And now look at the vote count. Fuzzy is at L-1 (the last vote count is wrong since pmc seems to have not noticed stroop voting for fuzzy). This is the perfect opportunity for a quicklynch by the mafia, yet fuzzy remains safe. Sully refuses to vote for him.

It is in light of this information that my mason partner and I believe that Fuzzy and Sully are scumbuddies.


I think that pretty much sums up our points. The mafia will figure out that the doctor has to be someone already voting for fuzzy, but there's nothing we can do about that. Do you have anything to add?
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:40 am
by Falkomagno
yeah. and there is another fact. Right now you, simon, stroop and me are in the penguin Band wagon. If he were town it's so improbable that he would be still alive. You, and I of course, and 75% sure about simon as well are town, that leads that if penguin is innocent they could quicklynch him long ago. But they don't

So, I propose you, to post the information about the protection of ace...what do yo say?? I could say this or even a stronger post that I can write and give it to you before post, so you can add whatever, and I could be your spokesman, without putting you in risk of being NKed. If that doesn't works, you can claim.

That's because if suspect is scum, the real intention to make you claim is to kill the doc tonight, if we could lynch a mafia right now (penguin). So i think that lose you would be a bad town move...

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:30 am
by Mr. Squirrel
I also just read sully's latest post where he is defending fuzzy. He was also on your bandwagon. It is highly likely that the two of them are scum buddies. And those two are the reason that there was no quicklynch on you.

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:26 am
by Mr. Squirrel
I admit that suspect is acting pretty scummy, but I think fuzzy is even more scummy. For starters, he was very confused with his role. His role is very simple so I find it hard that he would have gotten it confused if that was his actual role. Plus, you were at L-2 at one point. The people voting for you were simon, sully, and fuzzy. The mafia could have easily lynched you at that point, unless two (or more?) of their members were already in on the bandwagon. This means that even if we guessed randomly there is at least a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. That, coupled with his recent behavior makes me believe that he should be the next target for our lynch.

Should I reveal this evidence? I'm asking you because if I'm wrong, we are screwed.
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:06 am
by Falkomagno
No. I'm trying to say that this scenario:

penguin: Town
Suspect: Scum
Neardenpaul: Scum

is not possible.(that three aligments simultaneously)

My second conclusion is about what you just tell me. That you actually protected Ace last night but he was killed anyway. I only can see one way, and the version of Simon makes sense. -you know, simon has claimed that he is an paranoid gun owner- as the only way to get Ace killed. Probably scum tried to kill him, but since you protect him, he wasn't "murdered" by scum. But if he tried to investigate simon, he could received a bullet an that's it.

Now, re-reading, I think likely suspect as scum. What do you think??

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:57 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Sorry but I'm not understanding your conclusions. Are you are saying that Penguin, neanderpaul and suspect are innocent and that simon is scum? If so, please explain further. I'm not sure how you arrive at these conclusions.
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:50 am
by Falkomagno
I was about to post something when I just received your message...that's a relief...

well, first, I'm realized that the VC is wrong, and stroop has voted for fuzzy. So fuzzy is at L-1.

I think that with my vote ,and the vote of simon later, was clear that, if suspect and neardenpaul was scum and penguin innocent they could easily win this, but that didn't happend. So, we can conclude :

1. Penguin townie and Suspec+neardenpaul scum is not possible.

2. If you protect ace yesterday, it's possible that simon has tell the truth...but he was my first suspect so far...even more that fuzzy.

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:40 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Yea, I tried to protect him. I'm not sure what happened though. I never got another message from pmc after I sent him my choice.

Suspect is acting pretty strange but I'm not sure he's scum. He makes a good point that there is no point in hiding any identities at this point since we are at lynch or lose. I just think he is trying to keep us from lynching the wrong person.

Fuzzy is acting very strange. I don't completely trust him and his story but that is what everyone else is saying as well. If it does come to a lynch, I sure hope he is lying.

I'm considering roleclaiming. Fuzzy said that unless the doctor comes out, he will keep his vote on you. His vote brings us one step closer to your lynch, something we can't afford. However, his statement also puts even more suspicion on him (in my eyes at least). It is possible that he is scum trying to stick a bandwagon to you and reveal the doctor's role at the same time. Plus the fact that you haven't been quicklynched yet leads me to believe he might be the scum we are looking for. What's your thoughts?
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:45 pm
by Falkomagno
Hey...I have a question for you...You tried tyo protect ace last night??


It seems like town is with us, well...all but suspect, that is suspicious.

What do you think about fuzzy???

Thats textual writne from my pm box.

Any further comments I'm willing to discuss.

Btw simon, you case is that you believe in neardenpaul? o you have something else against me??

Wow I'm very impressed with your ability to manufacture fake PMs, now show me the PMs that prove the existence of the Tooth Fairy.

Manufacture fake PMs?!?!? Did you even read them? If you notice, falko and I speak (type) very differently. His first language isn't english. I highly doubt he could create two different writing styles on his own. Half of those PMs have to be from me.

[neanderpaul14]

well, if this can help to know who is lying and who is not, I'm going to post the dialog that we had before neardental has fakeclaiming.

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 am
by Falkomagno
I think that it's just perfect. Besides, i'm going to sleep right now...so, I'll put that post just as you write it (in fact, english is not my mother tongue, so I doubt I could add style and fancy words )

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:03 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Alright, you can be my spokesman. Why don't you write something like this:

I have been discussing with the doctor who is my mason-partner about the current situation and we have come to some interesting conclusions. We believe we have unequivocal evidence that fuzzy is in fact scum. The doctor still wishes to remain unknown however because if he reveals his role, he will most definitely be targetted by the mafia tonight and he cannot protect himself.

Now, if you look back on the voting history, I was at L-2 for a little while. This would be the perfect opportunity for the mafia to quicklynch me, but they didn't. The only reason for this could be because their members were already in on the bandwagon. The people voting for me were simon, sully, and the penguin. Now, in order for the mafia to be unable to quicklynch me, there would have to already have been two of their members in my bandwagon. This alone gives us a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. Plus, if you look at their recent posts, you will see that sully has been defending fuzzy. Does anyone else see the correlation?

Plus, although both sully and fuzzy deny it, the tracker and watcher roles are pretty straightforward. It is kind of strange to forget something as important as your own role. It seems more than convenient that fuzzy did not have any sort of information for us on his nightly investigation. And it seems even more convenient that he 'accidently' deleted his PM.

And now look at the vote count. Fuzzy is at L-1 (the last vote count is wrong since pmc seems to have not noticed stroop voting for fuzzy). This is the perfect opportunity for a quicklynch by the mafia, yet fuzzy remains safe. Sully refuses to vote for him.

It is in light of this information that my mason partner and I believe that Fuzzy and Sully are scumbuddies.


I think that pretty much sums up our points. The mafia will figure out that the doctor has to be someone already voting for fuzzy, but there's nothing we can do about that. Do you have anything to add?
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:40 am
by Falkomagno
yeah. and there is another fact. Right now you, simon, stroop and me are in the penguin Band wagon. If he were town it's so improbable that he would be still alive. You, and I of course, and 75% sure about simon as well are town, that leads that if penguin is innocent they could quicklynch him long ago. But they don't

So, I propose you, to post the information about the protection of ace...what do yo say?? I could say this or even a stronger post that I can write and give it to you before post, so you can add whatever, and I could be your spokesman, without putting you in risk of being NKed. If that doesn't works, you can claim.

That's because if suspect is scum, the real intention to make you claim is to kill the doc tonight, if we could lynch a mafia right now (penguin). So i think that lose you would be a bad town move...

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:30 am
by Mr. Squirrel
I also just read sully's latest post where he is defending fuzzy. He was also on your bandwagon. It is highly likely that the two of them are scum buddies. And those two are the reason that there was no quicklynch on you.

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:26 am
by Mr. Squirrel
I admit that suspect is acting pretty scummy, but I think fuzzy is even more scummy. For starters, he was very confused with his role. His role is very simple so I find it hard that he would have gotten it confused if that was his actual role. Plus, you were at L-2 at one point. The people voting for you were simon, sully, and fuzzy. The mafia could have easily lynched you at that point, unless two (or more?) of their members were already in on the bandwagon. This means that even if we guessed randomly there is at least a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. That, coupled with his recent behavior makes me believe that he should be the next target for our lynch.

Should I reveal this evidence? I'm asking you because if I'm wrong, we are screwed.
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:06 am
by Falkomagno
No. I'm trying to say that this scenario:

penguin: Town
Suspect: Scum
Neardenpaul: Scum

is not possible.(that three aligments simultaneously)

My second conclusion is about what you just tell me. That you actually protected Ace last night but he was killed anyway. I only can see one way, and the version of Simon makes sense. -you know, simon has claimed that he is an paranoid gun owner- as the only way to get Ace killed. Probably scum tried to kill him, but since you protect him, he wasn't "murdered" by scum. But if he tried to investigate simon, he could received a bullet an that's it.

Now, re-reading, I think likely suspect as scum. What do you think??

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:57 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Sorry but I'm not understanding your conclusions. Are you are saying that Penguin, neanderpaul and suspect are innocent and that simon is scum? If so, please explain further. I'm not sure how you arrive at these conclusions.
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:50 am
by Falkomagno
I was about to post something when I just received your message...that's a relief...

well, first, I'm realized that the VC is wrong, and stroop has voted for fuzzy. So fuzzy is at L-1.

I think that with my vote ,and the vote of simon later, was clear that, if suspect and neardenpaul was scum and penguin innocent they could easily win this, but that didn't happend. So, we can conclude :

1. Penguin townie and Suspec+neardenpaul scum is not possible.

2. If you protect ace yesterday, it's possible that simon has tell the truth...but he was my first suspect so far...even more that fuzzy.

* Quote Mr. Squirrel

Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:40 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Yea, I tried to protect him. I'm not sure what happened though. I never got another message from pmc after I sent him my choice.

Suspect is acting pretty strange but I'm not sure he's scum. He makes a good point that there is no point in hiding any identities at this point since we are at lynch or lose. I just think he is trying to keep us from lynching the wrong person.

Fuzzy is acting very strange. I don't completely trust him and his story but that is what everyone else is saying as well. If it does come to a lynch, I sure hope he is lying.

I'm considering roleclaiming. Fuzzy said that unless the doctor comes out, he will keep his vote on you. His vote brings us one step closer to your lynch, something we can't afford. However, his statement also puts even more suspicion on him (in my eyes at least). It is possible that he is scum trying to stick a bandwagon to you and reveal the doctor's role at the same time. Plus the fact that you haven't been quicklynched yet leads me to believe he might be the scum we are looking for. What's your thoughts?
Re: PMC's Newbie Game. Day 2- Another cop down!

Sent: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:45 pm
by Falkomagno
Hey...I have a question for you...You tried tyo protect ace last night??


It seems like town is with us, well...all but suspect, that is suspicious.

What do you think about fuzzy???

Thats textual writne from my pm box.

Any further comments I'm willing to discuss.

Btw simon, you case is that you believe in neardenpaul? o you have something else against me??

Wow I'm very impressed with your ability to manufacture fake PMs, now show me the PMs that prove the existence of the Tooth Fairy.

Manufacture fake PMs?!?!? Did you even read them? If you notice, falko and I speak (type) very differently. His first language isn't english. I highly doubt he could create two different writing styles on his own. Half of those PMs have to be from me.

I didn't say he didn't do a good job I'm just saying they are faked, Falko probably spelled my name wrong on purpose.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Now this is just sad. You are still gonna claim that these were faked when you compare his language to mine?

Let's compare here. This is an example of my post in this thread:

I'm now very conflicted. I would like to switch my vote over to you to put some pressure there, but i also think my vote should stay on CW since until now he has done very little. I guess I'll change it for now, since my vote hasn't gotten in any more activity out of CW in the last two pages anyway.

And here is me in a PM:

I admit that suspect is acting pretty scummy, but I think fuzzy is even more scummy. For starters, he was very confused with his role. His role is very simple so I find it hard that he would have gotten it confused if that was his actual role. Plus, you were at L-2 at one point. The people voting for you were simon, sully, and fuzzy. The mafia could have easily lynched you at that point, unless two (or more?) of their members were already in on the bandwagon. This means that even if we guessed randomly there is at least a 66% chance that fuzzy is scum. That, coupled with his recent behavior makes me believe that he should be the next target for our lynch.

Notice how I speak well and use plenty of transitions to make my writing flow fairly smoothly. Now let's look at Falko's post in this thread:

Besides, since it's probably that the early lynchs can be townies, this is not bad per se to town, since it's utter worthy information in further days. I played a game where the first 2 days were lynched town, but the town could win in d3 because is easy to find scum. I say that not because it's bwouled be an ideal scenario, but to show that a lynch is the only way to town to win, no matter the mislynchs.

I bolded some of the grammatical errors not because I'm trying to be a grammar nazi, but to point out his writing style. Here is his PM now:

My second conclusion is about what you just tell me. That you actually protected Ace last night but he was killed anyway. I only can see one way, and the version of Simon makes sense. -you know, simon has claimed that he is an paranoid gun owner- as the only way to get Ace killed. Probably scum tried to kill him, but since you protect him, he wasn't "murdered" by scum. But if he tried to investigate simon, he could received a bullet an that's it.

There you go. Same writing style. Same grammatical errors. If you still deny it at this point, you are just being arrogant and making yourself look stupid. I hope the other townies notice your desperation here and finally make a move against you.

And, Falko, I'm not trying to insult your grasp of the English language by bolding your errors. I understand it isn't your first language and I find the fact that you write it so well very surprising. I've been taking Spanish lessons for four years and I still get lost when talking to actual Spanish speakers.

[Suspect101]

I have something to post that will give us lots of information, but first I would like stroop and sully to claim. so I do not put my foot in my mouth.

Role Claims:

Mr Squirrel - Dr.
Stroop - ?
neanderpaul14 - Dr.
falkomagno - Nurse Mason
sully800 - ?
suspect101 - will claim in a few
simon v - PGO

Can I ask your roles stroop and sully and your actions last night? after all you two were on the tail end of the fuzzy lynch, which seemed shady from the start.

[sully800]

I don't know who to believe in this doctor business. Squirrel has been accusatory toward me repeatedly, yet is backed up by falkomango. They must either both be telling the truth or both be mafia since they are backing each other up. The chain of PM's is believable, it would take a good bit of time to fabricate such a large amount of evidence, especially when you consider how different their posting styles are.

Neanderpaul, I would definitely believe is the doctor...except for the fact that he didn't know about the nurse mason. Falko claimed as the nurse mason first and mentioned being able to communicate with the doctor which I believed, and I thought neanderpaul would be that doctor. But now that their are two different sides claiming against each other I don't know. If it was falko and neanderpaul against Mr. Squirrel, I think the squirrel would be the scum. Right now I am really thinking that falko seems to be mafia and then that would also involve Mr. Squirrel, but I am consistently changing my opinion about all of these claimed doctors.

As for me, I am a busdriver but so far I haven't noticed any results. On the first night I switched Fuzzy and Stroop. I did not want to touch Ace because I was afraid the doctor was already protecting him and I could switch that protection away, therefore allowing him to be night killed.

Last night I chose Falkomagno and supect. Suspect strikes me as a townie right now, so I am eager to hear your role. Suspect chose not to vote yesterday, and we all turned out to be wrong about Fuzzy. I knew I believed his story about losing his PM, but that was just a gut feeling, and I did not want to be associated with him so closely if he was mafia. Others were already accusing me of supporting him and therefore pegging us both as mafia.

Anyway, for that reason I think suspect is town. He has a good voting record and I think he has been very helpful with his posts (not utterly confusing like neanderpaul, falko and Mr. Squirrel). I thought he might be a target for the mafia so I switched him with Falkomagno who I believe actually is mafia. It looks like the mafia did not try to lynch suspect or else Falko would have been killed.

The frustrating thing is that I get know confirmations from PMC about my actions. A cop would get the results of their investigation, a doctor will find out if they protected the right person, etc. I am just able to switch things around and I can't tell if I have even accomplished anything.

[Suspect101]

I don't know who to believe in this doctor business. Squirrel has been accusatory toward me repeatedly, yet is backed up by falkomango. They must either both be telling the truth or both be mafia since they are backing each other up. The chain of PM's is believable, it would take a good bit of time to fabricate such a large amount of evidence, especially when you consider how different their posting styles are.

Neanderpaul, I would definitely believe is the doctor...except for the fact that he didn't know about the nurse mason. Falko claimed as the nurse mason first and mentioned being able to communicate with the doctor which I believed, and I thought neanderpaul would be that doctor. But now that their are two different sides claiming against each other I don't know. If it was falko and neanderpaul against Mr. Squirrel, I think the squirrel would be the scum. Right now I am really thinking that falko seems to be mafia and then that would also involve Mr. Squirrel, but I am consistently changing my opinion about all of these claimed doctors.

As for me, I am a busdriver but so far I haven't noticed any results. On the first night I switched Fuzzy and Stroop. I did not want to touch Ace because I was afraid the doctor was already protecting him and I could switch that protection away, therefore allowing him to be night killed.

Last night I chose Falkomagno and supect. Suspect strikes me as a townie right now, so I am eager to hear your role. Suspect chose not to vote yesterday, and we all turned out to be wrong about Fuzzy. I knew I believed his story about losing his PM, but that was just a gut feeling, and I did not want to be associated with him so closely if he was mafia. Others were already accusing me of supporting him and therefore pegging us both as mafia.

Anyway, for that reason I think suspect is town. He has a good voting record and I think he has been very helpful with his posts (not utterly confusing like neanderpaul, falko and Mr. Squirrel). I thought he might be a target for the mafia so I switched him with Falkomagno who I believe actually is mafia. It looks like the mafia did not try to lynch suspect or else Falko would have been killed.

The frustrating thing is that I get know confirmations from PMC about my actions. A cop would get the results of their investigation, a doctor will find out if they protected the right person, etc. I am just able to switch things around and I can't tell if I have even accomplished anything.

what exactly does your role do? I am not understanding the switching part.

[sully800]

I get to switch the actions that were suppose to happen to a player. So if you were supposed to be lynched and falko was supposed to be protected, you would end up being protected and falko would end up being lynched. But I don't understand what happens if multiple actions are supposed to happen to a person. So on day one I thought Ace would be both protected and lynched, yielding nothing. If I used my busdriver ability on him after the protection was sent in I might switch that away, and then the kill action comes in and he winds up dead?

I'm not sure, but no one I've bus driven has been killed yet so I don't think I've had any effect. And I wouldn't have been the cause of Fuzzy not getting any tracker results. I could only cause a different person to be tracked. It all seems rather worthless unless lynching is involved.

[Simon Viavant]

Wait, so if we lynch falko now it'll lynch suspect?

That's not good.

[pmchugh]

Vote Count

falko 1 - (simon)
neanderpual 1 - (falko)

Not Voting: Sully, Stroop, Mr. Squirrel, Suspect

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

And sully it's only called lynch when you vote for them etc. otherwise it's just kill.

[Suspect101]

I get to switch the actions that were suppose to happen to a player. So if you were supposed to be lynched and falko was supposed to be protected, you would end up being protected and falko would end up being lynched. But I don't understand what happens if multiple actions are supposed to happen to a person. So on day one I thought Ace would be both protected and lynched, yielding nothing. If I used my busdriver ability on him after the protection was sent in I might switch that away, and then the kill action comes in and he winds up dead?

I'm not sure, but no one I've bus driven has been killed yet so I don't think I've had any effect. And I wouldn't have been the cause of Fuzzy not getting any tracker results. I could only cause a different person to be tracked. It all seems rather worthless unless lynching is involved.

This doesn't make any sense. You wanted to protect Ace at night? With Captian comming up as a cop after the lynch, Ace should have looked like scum to everyone because it seemed he was lying. Why would you want to protect him?

[sully800]

Wait, so if we lynch falko now it'll lynch suspect?

That's not good.

Sorry, not lynched, but killed. It only involves the actions that take place during the night.

[Suspect101]

I get to switch the actions that were suppose to happen to a player. So if you were supposed to be lynched and falko was supposed to be protected, you would end up being protected and falko would end up being lynched. But I don't understand what happens if multiple actions are supposed to happen to a person. So on day one I thought Ace would be both protected and lynched, yielding nothing. If I used my busdriver ability on him after the protection was sent in I might switch that away, and then the kill action comes in and he winds up dead?

I'm not sure, but no one I've bus driven has been killed yet so I don't think I've had any effect. And I wouldn't have been the cause of Fuzzy not getting any tracker results. I could only cause a different person to be tracked. It all seems rather worthless unless lynching is involved.

This doesn't make any sense. You wanted to protect Ace at night? With Captian comming up as a cop after the lynch, Ace should have looked like scum to everyone because it seemed he was lying. Why would you want to protect him?

why would you want to protect someone who looks like scum?

[sully800]

This doesn't make any sense. You wanted to protect Ace at night? With Captian comming up as a cop after the lynch, Ace should have looked like scum to everyone because it seemed he was lying. Why would you want to protect him?

I thought they were both cops, as I said earlier, with one being insane and the other not. An insane cop is not good for the town unless you suspect that he is insane. In that case you just know his information is incorrect.

I refuse to vote for a claimed cop, this seems to be a move orchestrated by the scum. I don't know if we would have two cops or not, but two people claim to be cops and everyone votes for them? I don't get it. My guess is that one is a real cop and one is an insane cop (not both real cops). Or you all could be right and at least one is a mafia member who is lying to us, but I don't think it's worth the risk.]

I didn't think a mafia member would claim to be a cop in Ace's position, since it was captain walrus who was about to be lynched. I could understand cw fake claiming to get himself off the gallows but if Ace was actually mafia he would have no reason to counterclaim captain. If the reverse situation had happened (cw is accused, Ace counterclaims and we lynch Ace with the result being he is a cop), then I would definitely think cw is mafia. Get it?

[Suspect101]

This doesn't make any sense. You wanted to protect Ace at night? With Captian comming up as a cop after the lynch, Ace should have looked like scum to everyone because it seemed he was lying. Why would you want to protect him?

I thought they were both cops, as I said earlier, with one being insane and the other not. An insane cop is not good for the town unless you suspect that he is insane. In that case you just know his information is incorrect.

I refuse to vote for a claimed cop, this seems to be a move orchestrated by the scum. I don't know if we would have two cops or not, but two people claim to be cops and everyone votes for them? I don't get it. My guess is that one is a real cop and one is an insane cop (not both real cops). Or you all could be right and at least one is a mafia member who is lying to us, but I don't think it's worth the risk.]

I didn't think a mafia member would claim to be a cop in Ace's position, since it was captain walrus who was about to be lynched. I could understand cw fake claiming to get himself off the gallows but if Ace was actually mafia he would have no reason to counterclaim captain. If the reverse situation had happened (cw is accused, Ace counterclaims and we lynch Ace with the result being he is a cop), then I would definitely think cw is mafia. Get it?

No i don't. if Ace did not counter claim, CW would not have been lynched. Also If you thought there were two cops, one insane and one sane, and CW came up as the regular cop, why protect a cop who will give us bad informtion? I am not following you at all.

[sully800]

No i don't. if Ace did not counter claim, CW would not have been lynched. Also If you thought there were two cops, one insane and one sane, and CW came up as the regular cop, why protect a cop who will give us bad informtion? I am not following you at all.

I think we can all agree we wouldn't have two cops, as that would give the town a big advantage. So a fun design of mafia is to have two cops and one be insane (which is what we actually had in this game). This can lead to interesting results if you think there is only one cop, especially if they investigate the same person or each other.

Anyway, once cw was proven to be a cop, I figured that Ace was an insane cop as I had posted. In that case when he investigates someone you still get good evidence, its all just wrong. So if Ace investigated you and he said you were mafia I would believe you are town.

If cw had been an insane cop I would have thought Ace was a real cop. If we had lynched Ace and he was a real cop I would have thought cw was mafia based on the way the day unfolded. If we had lynched Ace and he was insane I would have believe cw was a cop.