The Never Ending Story! Fantasia Wins!!!!

[gimpyThewonder]

Ace I defended myself on all points, Saying I didn't w/out giving an actual example is unproductive.

or is your accusation that I just wanted to move the game forward w/ the 100% realistic approach that catching scum on Day 1 ONLY happens by sheer dumb luck, or sheer dumb play by the scum?

sorry mate but you need to go back to the well

[AceArtemis]

Ace I defended myself on all points, Saying I didn't w/out giving an actual example is unproductive.

or is your accusation that I just wanted to move the game forward w/ the 100% realistic approach that catching scum on Day 1 ONLY happens by sheer dumb luck, or sheer dumb play by the scum?

sorry mate but you need to go back to the well

Did you even read my post? My accusation is that you were blindly bandwagoning whoever had the most votes at the time without caring about who is lynched. Sure, scum are not usually caught on Day 1, but a good townie will think independently about who is the scummiest, rather than blindly jump on the bandwagon of whoever has the most votes. IMO it makes you look scummy when you do that.

[thischarmingman]

People, looks who is openly admitting not to be a 3rd party and lynch¡

That's monumentally stupid though, the main fantasia characters will not be 3rd party.

Thinking about it it's actually stupid enough to warrant a Vote Falkomango.

i think thezz may be on to something

stroop your argument has not been sufficient to change my mind about you but unless
falko can give a strong argument for his comment i will be switching my vote tomorrow evening
until then i have a maths exam i need to go study i'll be back tomorrow

[pmchugh]

Ace I defended myself on all points, Saying I didn't w/out giving an actual example is unproductive.

or is your accusation that I just wanted to move the game forward w/ the 100% realistic approach that catching scum on Day 1 ONLY happens by sheer dumb luck, or sheer dumb play by the scum?

sorry mate but you need to go back to the well

Did you even read my post? My accusation is that you were blindly bandwagoning whoever had the most votes at the time without caring about who is lynched. Sure, scum are not usually caught on Day 1, but a good townie will think independently about who is the scummiest, rather than blindly jump on the bandwagon of whoever has the most votes. IMO it makes you look scummy when you do that.

I actually agree, I probably let him off a little lightly but stroop seems to be trying to blend into the background and just hope his votes go away. So I will not be changing my vote until he says something to change my mind.

[Suspect101]

Vote Count

Falkomagno (2)- Sam_levi_11, Thessaruz
Stroop (4) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, Falkomagno, Nzen
pmchugh (1) - Stroop
gimpyThewonder (1) - AceArtemis

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Not Voting:

MrDizzle, gimpyThewonder, LSU, /

[Falkomagno]

Well, I see so lazyness here, and I just could say READ THE FOOKING THREAD, but not, I'm not gonna to tell that, but I'm gonna respond in a civil way:

And now, one by one...

So why haven't you voted for someone on your list instead of sam?

In fact my vote is for Stroop, that's is in my list.

People, looks who is openly admitting not to be a 3rd party and lynch¡

That's monumentally stupid though, the main fantasia characters will not be 3rd party.

Thinking about it it's actually stupid enough to warrant a Vote Falkomango.

i think thezz may be on to something

stroop your argument has not been sufficient to change my mind about you but unless
falko can give a strong argument for his comment i will be switching my vote tomorrow evening
until then i have a maths exam i need to go study i'll be back tomorrow

I hope that you find my vote and my opinions substantiated with this post, that I made BEFORE ANOTHER 3 RD PARTY WAS KILLED

Wow, first of all...unvote
I was just having a shallow reading, due the good post made by Nzen.


but no, pmc is not the best choice to go for by now.


I think that the key post so far is this

We cannot say for sure that Simon's role was not crucial, even if he admitted to having no abilities, the role name seems to hint at an enabler or backup type role.
It seems that a majority of "town" are in fact survivors, scum couldn't know this, therefor I believe we should look into players who have mentioned third party as being unimportant, since they are most likely not third party themselves. (and most likely scum if most other players are third party)

I'm 100% with this reasoning, in fact, when i cast my naive vote for pmc, i felt kind of bad and I re-read entire thread. And, just when I see this post I realized that It's accord my notes. so far there are three deads in the game, all of them 3rd Party. That's is a fact. Thus, for obvious reasons, I agree with the hipotesis given by /, and I would like to go further. In this game is the 3rd party the real town.

So, it becomes an easy procees to try to look who could indicates to be a 3rd party itself, and who understimate that roles.

The group who looks more likely to be "nothing" or "cult" or in any case "the bad ones" here are the one who openly admit that killing 3rd party is not that bad

* Ace
* Stroop
* Thez.

I get this players in my list, and I saw later that / has found them as well.


So, by now, the most probable scum is:

vote Stroop

It's true that pmc is not 3rd party neither, and his "town Claim" is kind of suspicious, but I preffer to go after stroop in this case.

Another thing, the LSU role is kind o weird. He has Two votes and a odd investigation ability....i don't know, so weird by now

And about thezz, As I said before, I'm thinking right now that this is a game without town as it, and the town is formed by 3rd partys. If you were close to the game development, and realized that all the deads are 3 rd party characters, (lynch, mod kill, vig kill) and there is not a clear scum night actions, maybe you wouldn't found my reasoning stupid. but, obviously you didn't.

[sam_levi_11]

I think we are all agreed that there are likely no town. Which actually makes no difference, third party in this game is town. So i think until we see a townie lynched/claim then we can give up trying to guess the set up.

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I think we are rather not agreed on this matter, PMC and Thezz have both claimed Town, I would say it would be rather bad for them if there turned out not to be a town.

[pmchugh]

I think we are rather not agreed on this matter, PMC and Thezz have both claimed Town, I would say it would be rather bad for them if there turned out not to be a town.

I can garuntee you there is a town, possibly with a recruiter. It's strange though with so many openly admitted survivors it's almost as if it doesn't matter that there is a town. All I can say to any survivors is that it is much better for you to hunt out the scum as they will kill and kill till they win, where as if you can prove you are a survivor we wont lynch you.

[thischarmingman]

having read the page i'm happy to leave my vote on stroop i'll be honest and say their isn't a lot in it but i'm still not convinced your not scum

[Falkomagno]

I think we are rather not agreed on this matter, PMC and Thezz have both claimed Town, I would say it would be rather bad for them if there turned out not to be a town.

I can garuntee you there is a town, possibly with a recruiter. It's strange though with so many openly admitted survivors it's almost as if it doesn't matter that there is a town. All I can say to any survivors is that it is much better for you to hunt out the scum as they will kill and kill till they win, where as if you can prove you are a survivor we wont lynch you.

Well, I think that we can have an agreement here. In fact, as non offical 3rd party spokesman, I'm strongly in favor of work with the town, if such a thing exist, to kill the bad guys in this game. Yeah, at this point any other strategie from us could be used for scum to reacha 3rd party lynch, and leave them alone, meanwhile the Nothings gets stronger....

[Suspect101]

This game is moving too slow for my taste. A dead line had been put in place.

DeadLine for Day 2 will be 1 week from today. that is 168.25 hours from the time of this post

[MrDizzle]

Vote Count

Falkomagno (2)- Sam_levi_11, Thessaruz
Stroop (4) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, Falkomagno, Nzen
pmchugh (1) - Stroop
gimpyThewonder (1) - AceArtemis

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Not Voting:

MrDizzle, gimpyThewonder, LSU, /

I know I'm dead and whatnot, but besides not talking I also believe that I'm not expected to vote.

[pmchugh]

So does anyone have anything to add? Or are we just going to wait a week for the deadline

@ Stroop do you not believe me that there is a town? Or is it that you don't believe me to be one of those townies?

[Stroop]

@ Stroop do you not believe me that there is a town? Or is it that you don't believe me to be one of those townies?

If there is not a town, there is no reason to call everyone third party, so I believe that there is a town. Since it seems like there's a cult, the difference is probably about recruitability. At the moment I have no idea what I think about everyone; I need to re-read again... perhaps I should try writing things down because I'm re-reading every week once the game grows

[pmchugh]

Yeah there has to be a town for mafia to work, or at least two mafia groups. Else mafia would win before the game starts.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Yeah there has to be a town for mafia to work, or at least two mafia groups. Else mafia would win before the game starts.

There most certainly does NOT have to be a town for mafia to work. All you need are two opposing sides to counter each other. A game full of survivors versus a "scum" group would be an intriguing setup as no one would want to be the "sacrificial piece in order to help the town win if it would cause themselves to lose. I also know that I have ran at least two games without a "conventional town" with my Civil War and American Revolution games. We need to stop trying to play the mod and play the game. Until there is actual evidence that we have more than third parties and scum in the game, we can not definitively state that there is a town nor does it really matter unless one of the "claimed townies" shows up as scum. With that said, I also wouldn't be surprised to see a third party turn up with some of those claimed townies as those people don't want to get themselves lynched.

[pmchugh]

Yeah there has to be a town for mafia to work, or at least two mafia groups. Else mafia would win before the game starts.

There most certainly does NOT have to be a town for mafia to work. All you need are two opposing sides to counter each other. A game full of survivors versus a "scum" group would be an intriguing setup as no one would want to be the "sacrificial piece in order to help the town win if it would cause themselves to lose. I also know that I have ran at least two games without a "conventional town" with my Civil War and American Revolution games. We need to stop trying to play the mod and play the game. Until there is actual evidence that we have more than third parties and scum in the game, we can not definitively state that there is a town nor does it really matter unless one of the "claimed townies" shows up as scum. With that said, I also wouldn't be surprised to see a third party turn up with some of those claimed townies as those people don't want to get themselves lynched.

I did say "or at least two mafia groups". I mean you can't have all survivors vs. mafia as then everyone has already won. Anyway I agree about needing to play the game not the mod.

[sam_levi_11]

Yeah there has to be a town for mafia to work, or at least two mafia groups. Else mafia would win before the game starts.

There most certainly does NOT have to be a town for mafia to work. All you need are two opposing sides to counter each other. A game full of survivors versus a "scum" group would be an intriguing setup as no one would want to be the "sacrificial piece in order to help the town win if it would cause themselves to lose. I also know that I have ran at least two games without a "conventional town" with my Civil War and American Revolution games. We need to stop trying to play the mod and play the game. Until there is actual evidence that we have more than third parties and scum in the game, we can not definitively state that there is a town nor does it really matter unless one of the "claimed townies" shows up as scum. With that said, I also wouldn't be surprised to see a third party turn up with some of those claimed townies as those people don't want to get themselves lynched.

I did say "or at least two mafia groups". I mean you can't have all survivors vs. mafia as then everyone has already won. Anyway I agree about needing to play the game not the mod.

Surely if the mafia's objective was to kill survivors then they would not have already won... Or am i missing something?

[pmchugh]

Yeah there has to be a town for mafia to work, or at least two mafia groups. Else mafia would win before the game starts.

There most certainly does NOT have to be a town for mafia to work. All you need are two opposing sides to counter each other. A game full of survivors versus a "scum" group would be an intriguing setup as no one would want to be the "sacrificial piece in order to help the town win if it would cause themselves to lose. I also know that I have ran at least two games without a "conventional town" with my Civil War and American Revolution games. We need to stop trying to play the mod and play the game. Until there is actual evidence that we have more than third parties and scum in the game, we can not definitively state that there is a town nor does it really matter unless one of the "claimed townies" shows up as scum. With that said, I also wouldn't be surprised to see a third party turn up with some of those claimed townies as those people don't want to get themselves lynched.

I did say "or at least two mafia groups". I mean you can't have all survivors vs. mafia as then everyone has already won. Anyway I agree about needing to play the game not the mod.

Surely if the mafia's objective was to kill survivors then they would not have already won... Or am i missing something?

But then it's effectively town, except the wc's are slightly different.

I suppose your right but who cares!

[AceArtemis]

So does anyone have anything to add? Or are we just going to wait a week for the deadline

@ Stroop do you not believe me that there is a town? Or is it that you don't believe me to be one of those townies?

To be honest, I don't have much to say. I'm still waiting for gimpy to provide an adequate response to my accusations. I won't take part in speculation because I find it distracts from the real point of the game: finding scum. If we are to catch scum today, we need to go back to scumtell discussion and away from setup speculation.

[Thezzaruz]

Surely if the mafia's objective was to kill survivors then they would not have already won... Or am i missing something?

No. Scums objective is to eliminate any threat to them and as survivors aren't usually considered as a threat to either side it would be a scum win from the start.

Of course there is nothing that says that all 3rd party has to be survivors. Could have bunch of roles such as SK, Lyncher, Jester or other roles that makes it playable. And that goes for this game too, as shown by the deaths already, however I still believe there to be a Town and that killing it would be a poor move (so my vote stands).

[pmchugh]

Vote Count

Falkomagno (2)- Sam_levi_11, Thessaruz
Stroop (4) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, Falkomagno, Nzen
pmchugh (1) - Stroop
gimpyThewonder (1) - AceArtemis

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Not Voting:

gimpyThewonder, LSU, /

There is 5 days to the deadline, I have said what I want to. And I find stroop the most suspicious. This game is going slowly and if the recent pattern imerges then evryone will just wait till the deadline is up and then stroop will be lynched. Therefore to speed the game up and give us time to change to another target I think it would be smart for you to claim stroop.

[Suspect101]

Vote Count

Falkomagno (2)- Sam_levi_11, Thessaruz
Stroop (4) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, Falkomagno, Nzen
pmchugh (1) - Stroop
gimpyThewonder (1) - AceArtemis

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Stroop is at L-2

Not Voting:

gimpyThewonder, LSU, /

I am seriously pondering just mod killing all players who I do not feel are actively participating. I know it would be better for the people who are actually participating in the game.

[AceArtemis]

There is 5 days to the deadline, I have said what I want to. And I find stroop the most suspicious. This game is going slowly and if the recent pattern imerges then evryone will just wait till the deadline is up and then stroop will be lynched. Therefore to speed the game up and give us time to change to another target I think it would be smart for you to claim stroop.

I agree. If Stroop is going to claim, it would be better for him to claim sooner than later, so we still have time for discussion/counter-claims/vote switching.

I am seriously pondering just mod killing all players who I do not feel are actively participating. I know it would be better for the people who are actually participating in the game.

Mod: Have you tried a mass prod?