The Never Ending Story! Fantasia Wins!!!!

[gimpyThewonder]

48 hours to the deadline, sned in your night actions.

what about:

5) At Night time (will only be 48 hour period) I will need actions submitted to me VIA PM

when did night get so long?

[pmchugh]

yeah night should be considerably shorter than day.

[Suspect101]

It will be from now on. I possible conflicting activites this weekend and did not want to commit to something I might not be able to keep.

Night Scene comming....

[Suspect101]

The people of Fantasia know that The Nothing is growing stronger. Some of the inhabitants of Fantasia have disappeared already, but seems none have gone missing durring the night. Fantasia rejoices! This night has been successful! We are all still alive!..... or was it as successful as they think?

DAY 2 BEGINS!

[Falkomagno]

somebody did a great job protecting...or this is just a cult mafia game, where mafia can not kill at night?

[sam_levi_11]

so do we think this is cult or the roleblocker guys?

[pmchugh]

I would think roleblocker. I have heard people specifically refer to a killing role, and I would be surprised if there wasn't one.

[MrDizzle]

I'm a bit of a noob to mafia games....cult means that mafia recruits innocents at night instead of killing, right?

[sam_levi_11]

I'm a bit of a noob to mafia games....cult means that mafia recruits innocents at night instead of killing, right?

Yes it does.

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There's always the possibility of the leader being absent.

[sam_levi_11]

there arent many people who have been entirely absent. It was a long night.

[Falkomagno]

Well, so, the only information that we have already for sure is that there was a bandwagon against simon, and he was a third party role, with any attributes. To me, the ones in the bandwagon are a mix between townies and all the scum in the game. I think this because, if I were mafia, I would find profitable a 3rd party, because, all that I would know as mafia, is that Simon at least wasn`t a mafia member. So, I propose to start looking one by one the members of that wagon, and could determinate the scummier, to lynch ahead. If I'm wrong, show me the lacks in my argument.

I notice that a reason against this point of view could be that a 3th party member lynch is not bad to town per se. I disagree at this respect, since the war is against mafia, as a main subject. But i know that reasons to both of that side has to be elaborated.

[AceArtemis]

Well, so, the only information that we have already for sure is that there was a bandwagon against simon, and he was a third party role, with any attributes. To me, the ones in the bandwagon are a mix between townies and all the scum in the game. I think this because, if I were mafia, I would find profitable a 3rd party, because, all that I would know as mafia, is that Simon at least wasn`t a mafia member. So, I propose to start looking one by one the members of that wagon, and could determinate the scummier, to lynch ahead. If I'm wrong, show me the lacks in my argument.

I agree. This is a good place to start looking for Day 1 tells.

I notice that a reason against this point of view could be that a 3th party member lynch is not bad to town per se. I disagree at this respect, since the war is against mafia, as a main subject. But i know that reasons to both of that side has to be elaborated.

The war is against mafia. However, Simon claimed a third party survivor. The common strategy for this type of role is to be as useless as possible and to lurk as much as possible so that:
1. The town won't lynch him because they don't have anything on him because he doesn't post very often.
2. The scum won't kill him because they want to get rid of a more useful townie.
We had nothing to lose by lynching Simon because at worst, Simon was a useless third party role, and at best, Simon was a mafia member. It turns out, Simon was a useless third party role. What did we lose? Not much.

[Suspect101]

Vote Count



With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Sam_levi_11, Falkomagno, pmchugh, thischarmingman, MrDizzle, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, LSU, AceArtemis, Hologram, Nzen, Thessaruz, /.

[Falkomagno]

the intention of my last post was to put in the focus the people who voted for simon yesterday. since the only response came from Ace Artimis, I assume that the people are really busy, or the one who's not busy doesn't have anything to say about it.

In the other hand, I think that a good start it's to call the attention of who, no mater simon's claiming, stills argue that he was a good choice to lynch. If I'm wrong, is a townie who look as a good deal to kill a third party instead a mafia goon. but I'm actually thinking that is a scum who accept that killing simon was safer for his faction.

Vote Ace Artimis

since he was the one who hammered simon.

[Stroop]

The Simon lynch was fine. Granted, the initial reasons weren't the best, but when he claimed third party we had a safe lynch.

In the other hand, I think that a good start it's to call the attention of who, no mater simon's claiming, stills argue that he was a good choice to lynch. If I'm wrong, is a townie who look as a good deal to kill a third party instead a mafia goon. but I'm actually thinking that is a scum who accept that killing simon was safer for his faction.

We could either lynch the claimed third party, or try someone else in the hopes of hitting mafia. Hitting mafia is better, I agree, but this was not a bad lynch for town.

I do think that we will find scum on the Simon-bandwagon, but I'll have to re-read before I have any thoughts to share.

[pmchugh]

the intention of my last post was to put in the focus the people who voted for simon yesterday. since the only response came from Ace Artimis, I assume that the people are really busy, or the one who's not busy doesn't have anything to say about it.

In the other hand, I think that a good start it's to call the attention of who, no mater simon's claiming, stills argue that he was a good choice to lynch. If I'm wrong, is a townie who look as a good deal to kill a third party instead a mafia goon. but I'm actually thinking that is a scum who accept that killing simon was safer for his faction.

Vote Ace Artimis

since he was the one who hammered simon.

This is what is bad about long nights, I can't really remember where we were at and other peoples intrest has dwindled.

Anyway, there was a day kill yesterday but no kill tonight, perhaps that it was not actually a vig kill and rather it was a scum kill disguised as a vig kill?

And while I think that simon's wagon may be a good place to start I don't think ace is the right one to go for. Yes he hamerred but if he was scum then surely after the claim he would rather that sam was killed instead since survivors can help scum to win at end game. But of course he could have just been trying to appear townie.

Anyway I think I good lynch would be someone who jumped on sam's wagon and then switched to simon's once it had started. Although of course this only works if sam is town.

Simon voters:

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Simon Viavant (8) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, MrDizzle, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, LSU, AceArtemis
Sam_levi_11 (1) - AceArtemis, Hologram
PMC (2) - Nzen, Thessaruz

Not Voting:

Sam_levi_11, Falkomagno

Sam's wagon at it's biggest:

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Simon Viavant (3) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, MrDizzle
Nzen (1) - Sam_levi_11
Sam_levi_11 (6) - LSU, AceArtemis, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, Hologram
MrDizzle (1) - Falkomagno
PMC (1) - Nzen
Stroop (1) - Thezzaruz

There are three common names, Ace, Stroop and gimpy. Although for reasons above I am not really counting ace.

That leaves stroop and gimpy. Stroop just said:

The Simon lynch was fine. Granted, the initial reasons weren't the best...snip...I do think that we will find scum on the Simon-bandwagon, but I'll have to re-read before I have any thoughts to share.

His reasons for voting sam:

So why are we trying to find out who's the vig? It won't really help town...

I suppose sam could use some more pressure for trying to off the vig... unvote vote sam

His reasons for voting simon:

Two possible deadline lynches

I'm going to go with the Simon bandwagon on this one. vote Simon

Neither vote is sincere almost as if he is trying to distance himself from voting them yet stil doing it. It seems these votes were made while looking over your shoulder and that stinks of suspicion to me.

unvote vote stroop

As for gimpy, his reasons for voting sam:

vote sam if for no other reason than it seems to be the consensus and someone has to die to gain us some info

Reasons for voting simon:

does that mean the deadline is closed or close?

if it isn't too late i'll switch my vote unvot vote simon just to get a succesful lynch and draw day 1 shenanigins to a close

It seems he is desperate for a lynch, is this scummy? Yes and no, because as a townie you want a lynch to gain info and as scum if you see a chance to off someone not in your group your not going to pass it up. Your reasoning is fine enough but it still seems suspicious to me, more for the way you said it than what you actually said.

[pmchugh]

oops on reading over my post it seems I missed out LSU, I will leave him till later anyway since I already posted a lot.

[Stroop]

That leaves stroop and gimpy. Stroop just said:

The Simon lynch was fine. Granted, the initial reasons weren't the best...snip...I do think that we will find scum on the Simon-bandwagon, but I'll have to re-read before I have any thoughts to share.

His reasons for voting sam:

So why are we trying to find out who's the vig? It won't really help town...

I suppose sam could use some more pressure for trying to off the vig... unvote vote sam

His reasons for voting simon:

Two possible deadline lynches

I'm going to go with the Simon bandwagon on this one. vote Simon

Neither vote is sincere almost as if he is trying to distance himself from voting them yet stil doing it. It seems these votes were made while looking over your shoulder and that stinks of suspicion to me.

unvote vote stroop

The vote on sam was to get better info than "ohh, he's trying to lynch the vig". It's one of the few things we had to go on, and I went with it. Nothing came out of it (I think, haven't re-read yet), which is sad.

The vote on simon was to get info through the lynch. Simon actually tried to convince us to lynch the vig, while sam just put a vote on who he thought the vig was (stupid, but seems like mistake), so he was the better lynch IMO.

As for neither vote being sincere, I assume you mean that I don't seem to actually support my vote? That's because I didn't really think either of them was scum (not saying I think sam is town), but we needed the info.

So, all about the info, really. We needed it, and if digging for it made me look scummy... well, so be it.

oops on reading over my post it seems I missed out LSU, I will leave him till later anyway since I already posted a lot.

Don't think LSU is scum... with the double vote.

[gimpyThewonder]

pmc your logic makes sense in terms of who to look at but you neglected this post i made:

look we all know that day 1 rarely catches out scum. what it does is give us information to work w/. someone has to be the sacrificial lamb, it's the way the game is played. the fact that Simon has yet to defend himself looks, well, bad. is it enough for a lynch? for Day 1, you bet it is. now i'm not going to throw the axiom of wanting a no lynch your way b/c your argument was sound and i enjoy logical pleas, but between lynching a townie for info or letting him live while the scult recruits/kills for free tonight while we gain nothing? it shouldn't be a difficult decision really.

where I basically outline what you say 2 posts later.

additionally, had I really been scum you wouldn't have seen me on the tail end of a lynch, its not my 1st rodeo

[Thezzaruz]

Anyway, there was a day kill yesterday but no kill tonight, perhaps that it was not actually a vig kill and rather it was a scum kill disguised as a vig kill?

I would assume not. Both the fact that it's shown as "killed by Vig" and that it happened during the day and the fact that scum kills in this game seems to be more of a recruitment into the nothingness than kills and I feel quite sure that it was a poorly chosen kill from a DayVig.

And to that DayVig I'd like to say, no more snap judgements please.



More to come after I get some sleep.

[pmchugh]

pmc your logic makes sense in terms of who to look at but you neglected this post i made:

look we all know that day 1 rarely catches out scum. what it does is give us information to work w/. someone has to be the sacrificial lamb, it's the way the game is played. the fact that Simon has yet to defend himself looks, well, bad. is it enough for a lynch? for Day 1, you bet it is. now i'm not going to throw the axiom of wanting a no lynch your way b/c your argument was sound and i enjoy logical pleas, but between lynching a townie for info or letting him live while the scult recruits/kills for free tonight while we gain nothing? it shouldn't be a difficult decision really.

where I basically outline what you say 2 posts later.

additionally, had I really been scum you wouldn't have seen me on the tail end of a lynch, its not my 1st rodeo

Fair enough, that makes sense for now.

As for neither vote being sincere, I assume you mean that I don't seem to actually support my vote? That's because I didn't really think either of them was scum (not saying I think sam is town), but we needed the info.

So, all about the info, really. We needed it, and if digging for it made me look scummy... well, so be it.

No that is the attitude you should have, not what you did have. You were trying to get players that you believed to be townie lynched while keeping out of the spotlight. A townie as you said wouldn't care about looking scummy in the process where as you clearly did.

oops on reading over my post it seems I missed out LSU, I will leave him till later anyway since I already posted a lot.

Don't think LSU is scum... with the double vote.

Actually if I were scum I would recruit him precisely because of this.

[Stroop]

As for neither vote being sincere, I assume you mean that I don't seem to actually support my vote? That's because I didn't really think either of them was scum (not saying I think sam is town), but we needed the info.

So, all about the info, really. We needed it, and if digging for it made me look scummy... well, so be it.

No that is the attitude you should have, not what you did have. You were trying to get players that you believed to be townie lynched while keeping out of the spotlight. A townie as you said wouldn't care about looking scummy in the process where as you clearly did.

I did not try to get sam lynched, I tried to get info out of him. A slip-up, a claim, whatever. Then, I did try to get Simon lynched. I did not believe they were town, I also did not believe they were scum. As long as I have no info, everyone is both.

How did I clearly care about looking scummy?

Also, when did we start assuming a cult leader? The quiet night suggests it, but where did it come from before that?

[sam_levi_11]

As for neither vote being sincere, I assume you mean that I don't seem to actually support my vote? That's because I didn't really think either of them was scum (not saying I think sam is town), but we needed the info.

So, all about the info, really. We needed it, and if digging for it made me look scummy... well, so be it.

No that is the attitude you should have, not what you did have. You were trying to get players that you believed to be townie lynched while keeping out of the spotlight. A townie as you said wouldn't care about looking scummy in the process where as you clearly did.

I did not try to get sam lynched, I tried to get info out of him. A slip-up, a claim, whatever. Then, I did try to get Simon lynched. I did not believe they were town, I also did not believe they were scum. As long as I have no info, everyone is both.

How did I clearly care about looking scummy?

Also, when did we start assuming a cult leader? The quiet night suggests it, but where did it come from before that?

Guys was simon a day kill vig then? If so i think i could have some good info.

[gimpyThewonder]

It says Scientists Wife next to his name. I'm not sure if that is his role or character, its been a bit since I last read the book.

You should share the info anyway