Logic dictates that there is a God!

[jay_a2j]

Evolution could not have happened if for no other of the countless reasons than the issue of speech. Speech is a learned behavior, so if man came from a lower life form, who then taught him to speak? (please save the "one grunt meant yes and two grunts meant no which later evolved to audible speech" hypothesis. It holds as much water as a fishing net)

So humans are the only species that transmit messages through sound?

No, through SPEECH.

[StiffMittens]

Evolution could not have happened if for no other of the countless reasons than the issue of speech. Speech is a learned behavior, so if man came from a lower life form, who then taught him to speak? (please save the "one grunt meant yes and two grunts meant no which later evolved to audible speech" hypothesis. It holds as much water as a fishing net)

So humans are the only species that transmit messages through sound?

No, through SPEECH.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/speech

4: the power of expressing or communicating thoughts by speaking

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/speak

1 a: to utter words or articulate sounds with the ordinary voice

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2005/prairie_dog.html

[jay_a2j]

Evolution could not have happened if for no other of the countless reasons than the issue of speech. Speech is a learned behavior, so if man came from a lower life form, who then taught him to speak? (please save the "one grunt meant yes and two grunts meant no which later evolved to audible speech" hypothesis. It holds as much water as a fishing net)

So humans are the only species that transmit messages through sound?

No, through SPEECH.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/speech

4: the power of expressing or communicating thoughts by speaking

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/speak

1 a: to utter words or articulate sounds with the ordinary voice

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2005/prairie_dog.html

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

[StiffMittens]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

Read the linked article. There is growing evidence that prairie dogs have a language with nouns and adjectives and which is also extensible.

[neanderpaul14]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

So do you believe they are just making noises and that there is no communication between them??

[KLOBBER]

It is clear that language descends, by the teaching process, from those whose intelligence is more highly developed, to those whose intelligence is less highly developed. This is the case historically as well as on a personal level: The more intelligent peoples of earlier ages taught highly complex languages to their less intelligent descendants, with much of the former intricacies disappearing from human language over time as human intelligence and language capacity decreased in tandem, as well as adults with more highly developed intelligence levels teaching it to children.

No animal society has any spoken language -- only human beings do, and there is no example throughout the entire history of the planet of any creature of sub-human intelligence teaching any human being language.

Human language comes to us from humans of more highly developed intelligence in our day-to-day experience, and it has always worked this way, just as human beings give birth to human beings exclusively in our day-to-day experience, and it has also always worked this way. No animal has ever given birth to any human being, and no animal has ever taught any human being language.

[KLOBBER]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

Read the linked article. There is growing evidence that prairie dogs have a language with nouns and adjectives and which is also extensible.

LOLOLOLOLOL! Prairie dogs, huh? Do they talk to you personally?

I saw a TV show with a talking horse once. Does this mean that there's also "growing evidence" that horses can talk?

Your post is utter nonsense!

[jay_a2j]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

So do you believe they are just making noises and that there is no communication between them??

Didn't say that they can't COMMUNICATE, I said they can't SPEAK.

[Balsiefen]

Sorry if I'm being stupid but I've lost you. Your argument is that animals can't speak English because they are not as intelligent as us? If so, how is this relevant?

[captain.crazy]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

So do you believe they are just making noises and that there is no communication between them??

Didn't say that they can't COMMUNICATE, I said they can't SPEAK.

I wouldn't say that. I think that it is pretty clear that Whales and Dolphins have a language. The same thing could be said of birds. There may also be some sort of 6th sense speech method that we aren't aware of.

[StiffMittens]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

Read the linked article. There is growing evidence that prairie dogs have a language with nouns and adjectives and which is also extensible.

LOLOLOLOLOL! Prairie dogs, huh? Do they talk to you personally?

I saw a TV show with a talking horse once. Does this mean that there's also "growing evidence" that horses can talk?

Your post is utter nonsense!

You mind is utter nonsense. I'm sure that do get all your ideas about reality from watching old sitcoms, but maybe you should take a few moments and actually look at the evidence.

[StiffMittens]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

So do you believe they are just making noises and that there is no communication between them??

Didn't say that they can't COMMUNICATE, I said they can't SPEAK.

Then what is your definition of SPEAK? Do you mean speak any human-devised language? Why would they when they have devised their own.

[KLOBBER]

...I think that it is pretty clear that Whales and Dolphins have a language.

That fact that you "think" something does not show that it is a fact. There is absolutely no evidence in support of speaking horses, whales, dolphins, birds, goats, or *chuckle* PRAIRIE DOGS!

There may also be some sort of 6th sense speech method that we aren't aware of.

Captain Crazy, you just may be the most aptly-named member on this website.

Talking prairie dogs??? Animals communicating with some unspecified, unobserved "sixth sense???" The darwinists are getting extremely desperate regarding the straws at which they are willing to grasp in order to find some kind of support, no matter how ridiculous and flimsy, for their amazingly stupid and unscientific theories.

...prairie dogs have a language with nouns and adjectives....

Tell me, Mr. Stiff Mittens, do the talking prairie dogs in the fantasy world between your ears also wear hats and carry sparkly rainbow purses? They may as well, as it is all sheer fantasy with absolutely no connection to reality! LOL!

[jay_a2j]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

So do you believe they are just making noises and that there is no communication between them??

Didn't say that they can't COMMUNICATE, I said they can't SPEAK.

I wouldn't say that. I think that it is pretty clear that Whales and Dolphins have a language. The same thing could be said of birds. There may also be some sort of 6th sense speech method that we aren't aware of.

Through series of noises, they communicate. This, however useful, is not speech.


The whole point of this discussion is that the human ability to speak is a learned behavior. And in as such, evolution could not have happened.

[captain.crazy]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

So do you believe they are just making noises and that there is no communication between them??

Didn't say that they can't COMMUNICATE, I said they can't SPEAK.

I wouldn't say that. I think that it is pretty clear that Whales and Dolphins have a language.

That fact that you think something does not show that it is a fact. There is no evidence that horses, whales, dolphins, birds, goats, or *chuckle* PRAIRIE DOGS can speak.

There may also be some sort of 6th sense speech method that we aren't aware of.

Captain Crazy, you just may be the most aptly-named member on this website.

Talking prairie dogs and animals communicating with an unnamed, unobserved "sixth sense???" The darwinists are getting extremely desperate in the straws at which they will grasp in order to find some kind of support, no matter how ridiculous, for their amazingly stupid and unscientific theories.

I believe that it is a long standing fact that dolphins "speak."

Each and every dolphin has a different sound just like you and me, a sound that other dolphins recognize as a particular individual. Even a new baby dolphin, (calf), can detect it's mother's whistle within the pod soon after birth.

Utilizing their blowholes, air sacks and valves, dolphins can emit a very wide variety of sounds. In fact, the frequency levels range 10 times beyond what humans can hear!

This system is called "Echolocation", or "Sonar", just like what a submarine uses to navigate while underwater. Yet the dolphins sonar is much more advanced than human technology and can pin point exact information about it's surroundings ranging from size, distance and even the nature of the object.

Dolphin Speech is so complex that the sounds even cross the species barriers and enable different kinds of dolphins to communicate. They have been known to instruct each other as well as receive instructions and act accordingly.

Source:
http://www.everythingdolphins.com/SoundsPG.htm

I cannot expand on 6th sense speech... it is just a theory of mine (and probably others.)

[KLOBBER]

...I believe that it is a long standing fact that dolphins "speak."

I am aware of your strange beliefs. They are not facts, and there is absolutely no evidence to support them.

Utilizing their blowholes....

ROFLMFAO!!! Looks like you're utilizing yours a little too much, cupcake!

I cannot expand on 6th sense speech....

That's not a surprise, as it is utter and complete garbage.

[morph]

...I believe that it is a long standing fact that dolphins "speak."

I am aware of your strange beliefs. They are not facts, and there is absolutely no evidence to support them.

Utilizing their blowholes....

ROFLMFAO!!! Looks like you're utilizing yours a little too much, cupcake!

I cannot expand on 6th sense speech....

That's not a surprise, as it is utter and complete garbage.

So, dogs who bark and run away, or other animals that take cover before a earthquake have no possible 6th sense, or have you ever heard sudden silence when a bad storm is bout to come through? I am pretty sure that animals have no way to look at a computer to figure out what is about to happen.... but yet they do these things, and there have been cases that people have sworn that their dogs was pulling them out of the house and tryin to get them out right before a major earthquake hit... so there is no sixth sense but how do these animals know what is about to happen?

[KLOBBER]

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!



The above post is so deeply stupid that I'm not even going to offer it a direct response.

[captain.crazy]

...I believe that it is a long standing fact that dolphins "speak."

I am aware of your strange beliefs. They are not facts, and there is absolutely no evidence to support them.

Except for the copious amounts of research that dolphins actually do speak to each other.

Utilizing their blowholes....

ROFLMFAO!!! Looks like you're utilizing yours a little too much, cupcake!

You were, obviously, a joy to have as a student in school. My guess is that you snickered your way through sex ed class.

I cannot expand on 6th sense speech....

That's not a surprise, as it is utter and complete garbage.
that may well be, but you never know. I think its fun to think about.

[KLOBBER]

...I believe that it is a long standing fact that dolphins "speak."

I am aware of your strange beliefs. They are not facts, and there is absolutely no evidence to support them.

Except for the copious amounts of research that dolphins actually do speak to each other.

There is none.

I cannot expand on 6th sense speech....

That's not a surprise, as it is utter and complete garbage.

[Balsiefen]

And humans are the only one's who do it. All animals can "make noises" with their vocal cords but only humans have speech and language.(and hundreds of them btw)

So do you believe they are just making noises and that there is no communication between them??

Didn't say that they can't COMMUNICATE, I said they can't SPEAK.

I wouldn't say that. I think that it is pretty clear that Whales and Dolphins have a language. The same thing could be said of birds. There may also be some sort of 6th sense speech method that we aren't aware of.

Through series of noises, they communicate. This, however useful, is not speech.


The whole point of this discussion is that the human ability to speak is a learned behavior. And in as such, evolution could not have happened.

Ah, this appears to be the crux of the argument. So you do not think speech could have developed naturally, but has to be taught. So here's what we have:
-A massive number of animals have the ability for basic communication: often danger warnings, an encounter with pray or mating calls.
-Chimpanzees (and other apes) appear to have different sound warnings depending on the threat, for example: an encounter with a snake will cause the chimp to give one warning while an encounter with a rival pack of the same species will produce another and a larger predator such as a big cat will produce a third.
-I believe current thinking has it that whales have different sounds to distinguish between each other
-Apes have complex body language, especially with regards to leadership
-Humans have languages which are more complex and can rely entirely on voice with no body language

I don't think its unreasonable to think that, as intelligence and experience increased, language could have developed over the 400,000 years since our species evolved and the 6 million years before that since our branch diverged from that of modern apes.

[morph]

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!



The above post is so deeply stupid that I'm not even going to offer it a direct response.

ok pookie, explain this stuff away plz..

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... imals.html
or this one
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... imals.html


id love to hear it... instead of you being told things and just passing them off as so stupid that it is not worth it, I mean honestly at least Jay will be good enough to answer questions even if they seem stupid to him... your just being rather immature by not answering and trying to pass it off

[KLOBBER]

I don't think its unreasonable to think that, as intelligence and experience increased, language could have developed over the 400,000 years since our species evolved and the 6 million years before that since our branch diverged from that of modern apes.

Whether you "think" it or not is irrelevant. There is no evidence that mankind's intelligence has increased, historically. All evidence clearly shows just the opposite -- that mankind's intelligence is on the decrease as time passes, and the degradation of all language sets, across the board, is but one example of this hard fact.

There is no evidence that any species "evolved" from another. On the contrary, each member of each respective species has always, and will always, give birth to members of its own species, exclusively. There is not a single example in the history of the world of one species producing a member of another species.

There is no evidence that "our branch" diverged from that of modern apes. There is no example of any common ancestor of both modern man and modern apes ("missing link") and such a thing would be necessary to prove your silly theory. It is well-known in every country in the world that no such "missing link" has ever existed, and there has certainly never been any example of any such thing giving birth to both humans and apes. Your entire post is pure nonsense.

To morph: Sshhh! Grown-ups are having a discussion.

[morph]

So do you believe they are just making noises and that there is no communication between them??

Didn't say that they can't COMMUNICATE, I said they can't SPEAK.[/quote]

I wouldn't say that. I think that it is pretty clear that Whales and Dolphins have a language. The same thing could be said of birds. There may also be some sort of 6th sense speech method that we aren't aware of.[/quote]


Through series of noises, they communicate. This, however useful, is not speech.


The whole point of this discussion is that the human ability to speak is a learned behavior. And in as such, evolution could not have happened.[/quote]

Ah, this appears to be the crux of the argument. So you do not think speech could have developed naturally, but has to be taught. So here's what we have:
-A massive number of animals have the ability for basic communication: often danger warnings, an encounter with pray or mating calls.
-Chimpanzees (and other apes) appear to have different sound warnings depending on the threat, for example: an encounter with a snake will cause the chimp to give one warning while an encounter with a rival pack of the same species will produce another and a larger predator such as a big cat will produce a third.
-I believe current thinking has it that whales have different sounds to distinguish between each other
-Apes have complex body language, especially with regards to leadership
-Humans have languages which are more complex and can rely entirely on voice with no body language

I don't think its unreasonable to think that, as intelligence and experience increased, language could have developed over the 400,000 years since our species evolved and the 6 million years before that since our branch diverged from that of modern apes.[/quote]


careful, your gonna make the Christians scream at you that your wrong and/or stupid.... for sayin that the evolved...

[jay_a2j]

I don't think its unreasonable to think that, as intelligence and experience increased, language could have developed over the 400,000 years since our species evolved and the 6 million years before that since our branch diverged from that of modern apes.

I do. And any Sociologist will too. Speech is a learned behavior. Therefore in order for a person to speak German, they must be taught to speak it. Put a newborn in a room, isolated from any human contact, just giving it necessities (food, water etc.) and that person will grow up and not be able to speak. Why is this you say? Because speech is a LEARNED behavior. So, if we have 20 million apes walking around striving to take the plunge into a higher class of life they would need someone who can speak to teach them how to speak. This is evidenced by the fact that over all these years of "evolution" there is no other animal on Earth who has "evolved" speech.


I don't find it unreasonable to believe God gave us the ability to speak when He created man.