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[pmchugh]

I think charmingman would be the most likely vig. I'd say if we have a vig this triggerhappy it might be better to off him now, but after all it is a town role so I'll give whoever it is a second chance. If we have any more of these deaths without good reason we should lynch him though.

Right now sam doesn't seem the most suspicious.

Better to off someone who is a town vig, not only are you trying to work out exactly who it is you are considering killing a town member who could become useful? I say tommorow that the vig should wait and when we decide on a lynch we get him to do it, giving us two lynches.

But in the mean time this is an incredibly scummy statement, you should never lynch a townie power role espicially when you may be able to influence their descisions.

unvote vote simon

[thischarmingman]

Better to off someone who is a town vig, not only are you trying to work out exactly who it is you are considering killing a town member who could become useful?

But in the mean time this is an incredibly scummy statement, you should never lynch a townie power role espicially when you may be able to influence their descisions.

unvote vote simon

this is the most logical vote ive seen so far Vote Simon

[Falkomagno]

I want to resist OMGUS vote....

But I can't

unvote vote MrDizzle

[Hologram]

Hmmm, this is a very tricky situation. Let's unvote while I work things out in my head here.

First we've got sam trying to off a vig, who, while being a dumbass, is still a town role, and offing a town role puts us not only one step closer to losing, but will also destroy a line of defense we have against the Mafia (or Nothing or whatever the f*ck). Then he tries to laugh it off when he gets some pressure (okay, a lot of pressure) saying he forgot that a vig is town, which just seems really fishy to me, especially for a vet player. It's a lot easier for a vet player to make a stupid mistake as mafia than to make a stupid mistake by forgetting the very nature of a common role, in my opinion.

Then we've got Simon, who also tries to off the vig, but doesn't want to do so in an overt way, so he beats around the bush, saying he'll give him a second chance and all that. Hell, he could even be scum buddies with sam, trying to take some of the pressure off of him by giving his own scummy statement.

Charming seems eager to jump on the new simon pseudo-bandwagon that pmc started, but that can be forgiveable with all of his noobiness.

I'm going to say Vote sam because the little evidence that we have stacks up to him big time, with a possible scum affiliation with simon, so fos simon.

[gimpyThewonder]

vote sam if for no other reason than it seems to be the consensus and someone has to die to gain us some info

[pmchugh]

That puts sam at L-2, so watch we don't accidentally lynch.

I want to resist OMGUS vote....

But I can't

unvote vote MrDizzle

We have a serious bandwagon here, thoughts?

Personally I think that sam's excuse it pretty poor, although i don't think that simon should be forgotten, even after our posts against sam he agreed with him, so I would like to know why he did. I am also suspicious of how quickly this bandwagon took off but it's understandable why.

I wouldn't call sam a vet but he certainly knows enough about mafia to know that a vig is town, however I would like to hear from simon before going for the claim.

[Suspect101]

Vote Count

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Thischarmingman (1) - Hologram
Simon Viavant (4) - Nzen, pmchugh, thischarmingman, Hologram
Falkomango (1) - MrDizzle
Nzen (1) - Sam_levi_11
Sam_levi_11 (5) - LSU, AceArtemis, Stroop, gimpyThewonder
MrDizzle (1) - Falkomagno

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Sam is at L-3, Simon is at L-4

Not Voting:

/, Thezzaruz

Please let me know if I have your vote wrong.

[MrDizzle]

So you want to get rid of townies huh? unvote vote Simon

[Hologram]

Vote Count

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Thischarmingman (1) - Hologram
Simon Viavant (4) - Nzen, pmchugh, thischarmingman, Hologram
Falkomango (1) - MrDizzle
Nzen (1) - Sam_levi_11
Sam_levi_11 (5) - LSU, AceArtemis, Stroop, gimpyThewonder
MrDizzle (1) - Falkomagno

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Sam is at L-3, Simon is at L-4

Not Voting:

/, Thezzaruz

Please let me know if I have your vote wrong.

I vote sam, not simon.

[Nzen]

I unvote Simon Viavant. Below seems to encapsulate the argument against him:

I think charmingman would be the most likely vig. I'd say if we have a vig this triggerhappy it might be better to off him now, but after all it is a town role so I'll give whoever it is a second chance. If we have any more of these deaths without good reason we should lynch him though.
Right now sam doesn't seem the most suspicious.

Better to off someone who is a town vig, not only are you trying to work out exactly who it is you are considering killing a town member who could become useful? I say tommorow that the vig should wait and when we decide on a lynch we get him to do it, giving us two lynches.

But in the mean time this is an incredibly scummy statement, you should never lynch a townie power role especially when you may be able to influence their descisions.
unvote vote simon

However, Simon Viavant isn't trying to off the vigilante. He didn't vote for charmingman, despite his suspicion. Simon has left his first vote on Thezzarus. From the posts it even looks like pmchugh and simon have the same idea about a 'second chance.' Pmchugh, though, joins his bandwagon because simon provisionally considered voting for a mischevious vigilante tomorrow.

Sam may have a bandwagon that is somewhat deserved. Only 'somewhat' because the nothing is a cult. While the vigilante may be town today, tomorrow he could be cult. The flavortext suggests that the sphinx gate killed FloresDelMal. If the nothing converts him, that gives the cult two killers (Gmork at night). This isn't the case yet at least, so I do not agree with sam.

However, pmchugh's reasoning appears more specious:

Vote Sam Vig is on the side of town even if they are a dumbass. Trying to out them right now is definitely anti-town behavior.

Yes you are just handing pointers to scum, fos ((page 6))

i don't think that simon should be forgotten, even after our posts against sam he agreed with him, so I would like to know why he did. ((above))

Odd to hold simon to reasoning that you didn't like expressed at the time. Further, sam had made his feeble excuse for voting noobs one post before you. But, you switched to Simon for considering lynching the vigilante. Not voting for, like sam did. How is that more scummy? I suspect you are the Nothing, pmchugh. So,
I vote pmchugh.

[sam_levi_11]

holy shit all this for a mind slip. No wonder mafia is dying out, its kinda fustrating but i guess deserved.

[sam_levi_11]

the bandwagon that is.

[sam_levi_11]

And im at -1 so any mafia about are bound to lynch me and say they didnt say holograms post or something...

[Suspect101]

Vote Count

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Simon Viavant (3) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, MrDizzle
Nzen (1) - Sam_levi_11
Sam_levi_11 (6) - LSU, AceArtemis, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, Hologram
MrDizzle (1) - Falkomagno
PMC (1) - Nzen

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Sam is at L-2,

Not Voting:

/, Thezzaruz

Please let me know if I have your vote wrong.

[Hologram]

Vote Count

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Thischarmingman (1) - Hologram
Simon Viavant (3) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, MrDizzle
Nzen (1) - Sam_levi_11
Sam_levi_11 (6) - LSU, AceArtemis, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, Hologram
MrDizzle (1) - Falkomagno
PMC (1) - Nzen

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Sam is at L-2,

Not Voting:

/, Thezzaruz

Please let me know if I have your vote wrong.

I no longer have a vote on charming, either.

[Thezzaruz]

Oh well, UnVote I guess...

I expect it from falko since he is new but it seems that your unvoting here really doesn't help. Either continue random voting, make a comment on what is happening or even make a semi-serious pressure vote

Seeing as my vote was on flores that died the unvote was kind of automatic. And as I was just on my way out the door for a weekend trip I didn't feel I should throw a random vote that could prove unhelpful.

I think charmingman would be the most likely vig. I'd say if we have a vig this triggerhappy it might be better to off him now, but after all it is a town role so I'll give whoever it is a second chance. If we have any more of these deaths without good reason we should lynch him though.
Right now sam doesn't seem the most suspicious.

Better to off someone who is a town vig, not only are you trying to work out exactly who it is you are considering killing a town member who could become useful? I say tommorow that the vig should wait and when we decide on a lynch we get him to do it, giving us two lynches.

Calling out the likely Vig is not that smart I agree. But putting pressure on the Vig to make good decisions based on some sort of discussion/town suggestions rather than just randomly (and quickly) kill people isn't a bad idea at all.

So why are we trying to find out who's the vig? It won't really help town...

I suppose sam could use some more pressure for trying to off the vig... unvote vote sam

When you come in as 5th (or so) on a bandwagon you either just vote or you put forward a new/added reasoning. Just re-hashing the commonly accepted scum tell mean you just want a cop out for your vote on the record, and that is scummy IMO.

So for the moment, Vote Stroop.

[Stroop]

So why are we trying to find out who's the vig? It won't really help town...

I suppose sam could use some more pressure for trying to off the vig... unvote vote sam

When you come in as 5th (or so) on a bandwagon you either just vote or you put forward a new/added reasoning. Just re-hashing the commonly accepted scum tell mean you just want a cop out for your vote on the record, and that is scummy IMO.

So for the moment, Vote Stroop.

Yeah, because surely just posting "vote sam" wouldn't have gotten me a vote

[AceArtemis]

It's a lot easier for a vet player to make a stupid mistake as mafia than to make a stupid mistake by forgetting the very nature of a common role, in my opinion.

I agree with this. Once the bandwagon on sam started, sam used the so-called "idiot defense", which goes something like this: "I'm an idiot, I had no idea what I was doing, please don't lynch me." IMO this is not adaquate, and like Hologram stated, it is quite likely that it was a scum mistake as opposed to a noob mistake. My vote stays on sam for now.

And im at -1 so any mafia about are bound to lynch me and say they didnt say holograms post or something...

Why are you so paranoid about being lynched? If you are quicklynched and you turn out to be town, we can just go after whoever hammered the next day. With that in mind, nobody should hammer sam just yet. We should continue discussion for a few more days before we lynch anyone.

However, Simon Viavant isn't trying to off the vigilante. He didn't vote for charmingman, despite his suspicion. Simon has left his first vote on Thezzarus. From the posts it even looks like pmchugh and simon have the same idea about a 'second chance.' Pmchugh, though, joins his bandwagon because simon provisionally considered voting for a mischevious vigilante tomorrow.

I agree. I don't find Simon Viavant all that suspicious, because Simon only wants the vig gone if the vig starts recklessly killing everyone. There's no problem if we are able to send a clear message to the vig to only kill when the town approves. However, while pmc's vote may seem odd, I don't see a compelling reason to vote for pmc at this moment. If sam turns out to be scum, though, we may want to look at pmc.

[Thezzaruz]

Yeah, because surely just posting "vote sam" wouldn't have gotten me a vote

Not from me it wouldn't. Jumping on an established BW without giving a reason or with an "I agree" is quite common and far less scummy than posting the established reason over again.

[pmchugh]

AT NZEN

Gah? I don't understand half of your post. What I got is (correct me if I'm wrong):

1. You agree with Simon for being suspicious of noobs because they are likely to get recruited, as they may be vigs.
2. Because sam made the vote and simon didn't, sam is more suspicious.
3. You misunderstood the below post, because I see nothing wrong with it.

Vote Sam Vig is on the side of town even if they are a dumbass. Trying to out them right now is definitely anti-town behavior.

Yes you are just handing pointers to scum, fos ((page 6))

i don't think that simon should be forgotten, even after our posts against sam he agreed with him, so I would like to know why he did. ((above))

I accuse sam and want simon to give an explanation, what is wrong here?

As for point 1, never try to second guess scum going after noobs as there is a small chance they were recruited is just plain silly.

And for point 2 the difference is that sam claims he made a mistake where as simon clearly means what he says. Sam may be scum but think if he was scum he wouldn't go after a vig as you would know that they are town and no-one would follow you to lynching them. Think about it seriously if you are scum is suggesting lynching a role shown to be town a good strategy? This isn't to say he is definately not scum, he could have just made the same mistake as scum, not noticing it was revealed that it was a townie who had done the kill. Either way i don't think it is a tell, just a mistake.

Simon however is different, he is doing it in a more subtle way trying to edge out the newbie's without coming out and accusing them. And it my experience (ignoring players styles) it's always the one in the background who doesn't commit to things that is scum. Townies commit on instict but scum don't because they know they are wrong, and when things go wrong they will be looked at.

[Falkomagno]

I realized such a fast BW on sam, and it makes me think as so probably that in that BW we would found scum. If sam would be scum, he hardly achieve 6 votes , in pg 8. That's because would be odd if scum buddies add to that BW, putting pressure to his partner. It's so more probable that sam , at least, is not scum, and his bandwagon was quickly add by towns and some scum. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll watch the harderst pushers so carefully from now

[Stroop]

Yeah, because surely just posting "vote sam" wouldn't have gotten me a vote

Not from me it wouldn't. Jumping on an established BW without giving a reason or with an "I agree" is quite common and far less scummy than posting the established reason over again.

I disagree. At least I'm showing that I know why I'm voting sam, instead of just voting with the majority. When someone just votes and maybe says "I agree", it makes me think they don't know why they're even voting. Maybe that's just me

[Suspect101]

Vote Count

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Simon Viavant (3) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, MrDizzle
Nzen (1) - Sam_levi_11
Sam_levi_11 (6) - LSU, AceArtemis, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, Hologram
MrDizzle (1) - Falkomagno
PMC (1) - Nzen
Stroop (1) - Thezzaruz

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Sam is at L-2,

Not Voting:


Please let me know if I have your vote wrong.

[pmchugh]

Vote Count

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Simon Viavant (3) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, MrDizzle
Nzen (1) - Sam_levi_11
Sam_levi_11 (6) - LSU, AceArtemis, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, Hologram
MrDizzle (1) - Falkomagno
PMC (1) - Nzen
Stroop (1) - Thezzaruz

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Sam is at L-2,

Not Voting:


Please let me know if I have your vote wrong.

You have five names but 6 votes on sam levi, is this a mistake?

[Suspect101]

Vote Count

Thezzarus (1) - Simon Viavant
Simon Viavant (3) - pmchugh, thischarmingman, MrDizzle
Nzen (1) - Sam_levi_11
Sam_levi_11 (6) - LSU, AceArtemis, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, Hologram
MrDizzle (1) - Falkomagno
PMC (1) - Nzen
Stroop (1) - Thezzaruz

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Sam is at L-2,

Not Voting:


Please let me know if I have your vote wrong.

You have five names but 6 votes on sam levi, is this a mistake?

No.