War of the Triple Cult (Day 6)

by **Stroop** on Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:53 pm

william18 wrote:Vote derf

unvote first

by **derfderf34** on Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:08 pm

almost all of stroops qoutes o me are ripped horribly out of context

and since you are forceing me to claim my role is flipper flopper. If i get recruited by one cult after one night i go to the cult that's color is the better (ex: if recruited by red then become blue) i also keep all the information
I have not been recruited yet and now that I have claimed I I doubt that I will be recruited because none of the cults would be retarded enough to strenghen another cult on purpose

to explain the vote on ace i meant to get it down to one cult that wouldnt be able to kill us so worst case senario is that all of the town gets recriuted and everybody wins
after further thought this might not be the best idea because the cult would just get majority then pick us off one by one during the day so unvote

by **derfderf34** on Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:10 pm

Stroop wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Stroop wrote:
derfderf34 wrote:Then if we lynch all the pro town power roles the game is free to become a faction game
derf wants to lynch town power roles...
What sort of context was this quote ripped from? If there are no mitigating circumstances that seems rather scummy and incredibly stupid.

derf's post

I don't see any mitigating circumstances.

it was a day 1 joke about mpjh but you cant see that now can you?

by **william18** on Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:41 pm

Stroop wrote:
william18 wrote:Vote derf

unvote first

unvote vote derf

by **spiesr** on Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:11 pm

derfderf34 wrote:to explain the vote on ace i meant to get it down to one cult that wouldnt be able to kill us so worst case senario is that all of the town gets recriuted and everybody wins
after further thought this might not be the best idea because the cult would just get majority then pick us off one by one during the day so unvote

I am pretty sure that if there is just one cult left and they have a majority they win and everyone alive get's endgamed. So they plan of yours seems horrible and ill thought out. Especially when you consider that cults supposedly can't kill townies.

derfderf34 wrote:and since you are forceing me to claim my role is flipper flopper. If i get recruited by one cult after one night i go to the cult that's color is the better (ex: if recruited by red then become blue) i also keep all the information
I have not been recruited yet and now that I have claimed I I doubt that I will be recruited because none of the cults would be retarded enough to strenghen another cult on purpose

About your claim. I am not fully sure this is a real role. It seems that if you powers were activated that you would seriously unbalance the game, or something. On the other hand, this role doesn't exactly seem like the thing you personally would make up to fake claim with. So I hold my vote for now.

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:26 am

derfderf34 wrote:almost all of stroops qoutes o me are ripped horribly out of context

and since you are forceing me to claim my role is flipper flopper. If i get recruited by one cult after one night i go to the cult that's color is the better (ex: if recruited by red then become blue) i also keep all the information
I have not been recruited yet and now that I have claimed I I doubt that I will be recruited because none of the cults would be retarded enough to strenghen another cult on purpose

So you are saying you would know all the members of the cult who originally tried to recruit you, and their roles?

by **Stroop** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:52 am

derfderf34 wrote:almost all of stroops qoutes o me are ripped horribly out of context

Hardly a defense. Which ones and how did I rip them horribly out of context?

Your role is just odd. If a cult leader would have made the mistake of recruiting you, his whole cult would be revealed to another cult and pretty much doomed. Maybe it's Nate's way of giving the town a better chance, but I don't think so. Also... "flipper flopper"? :-s

derfderf34 wrote:
Stroop wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Stroop wrote:
derfderf34 wrote:Then if we lynch all the pro town power roles the game is free to become a faction game
derf wants to lynch town power roles...
What sort of context was this quote ripped from? If there are no mitigating circumstances that seems rather scummy and incredibly stupid.

derf's post

I don't see any mitigating circumstances.

it was a day 1 joke about mpjh but you cant see that now can you?

spiesr wrote:
derfderf34 wrote:Then if we lynch all the pro town power roles the game is free to become a faction game
Are you trying to get yourself lynched? Becuase that was almost as bad as kagetora and you are suppossed to be more experianced...

Spiesr obviously didn't see it when mpjh hadn't edited all his posts yet, so I don't think there was anything to see.

by **LSU Tiger Josh** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:04 pm

Unvote Vote Derf at best you're a cult guy. At worse, you're a useless townie since no cult will go for you.

by **ace1217** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:11 pm

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Unvote Vote Derf at best you're a cult guy. At worse, you're a useless townie since no cult will go for you.

Wait, what? How does the fact that no cult will go for him make him useless? FOS LSU

by **Suspect101** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:03 pm

Ace and Will,
Can you tell me who you are going to kill/investigate so I do not check the same person? I don't think that you will, but just to be sure.

by **ace1217** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:11 pm

Honestly I'm going to kill, or at least attempt to kill LSU for that rather scummy comment about derf being useless if he's telling the truth.

by **nagerous** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:28 pm

hmm, no cult will go for him making him useless?

Useless to who, you?

Clearly

Vote Lsu Tiger Josh

by **spiesr** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:41 pm

I think what LSU meant was that now that derfderf has revealed his role, no cult will recruit him and therefor his power is useless...

by **ace1217** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:47 pm

spiesr wrote:I think what LSU meant was that now that derfderf has revealed his role, no cult will recruit him and therefor his power is useless...

Way to come up with a explanation for LSU's scumminess and give him a way out. FOS spiesr

by **captainwalrus** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:50 pm

If that is his [derfderf's] power then why wouldn't he just reaveal that at the begining so he can't be recruted?

derfderf34 wrote:Then if we lynch all the pro town power roles the game is free to become a faction game

Oh ya, He wants everyone to be cult, I forgot.
He seems very pro cult, and even if he isn't a leader I suspect he has gotten himself recruted.

by **ace1217** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:56 pm

william18: Admitted to being red.
LSU Tiger Josh:Most likely blue
Iliad :Again, fairly neutral
norsemsn1066: Not sure on this one, he's been lurking most of the game
Stroop: Most definitely town.
derfderf34: 100% cult, most likely the last leader.
nagerous:Don't have much of a read on nagerous.
farside22: Needs to be replaced, has been inactive or lurking for most of the game.
Haggis_McMutton: Probably Blue.
spiesr: Somewhat scummy for defending LSU, a likely scum.
Juan_Bottom: Quite probably town
captainwalrus: Probably town.
Suspect101: 100% town in my eyes.

by **spiesr** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:32 pm

I wasn't attempting to make a serious defense of LSU. I was just saying my interpretation of what he posted. We don't need to lynch someone over what to me appears to be a misinterpretation; at least not when there are more promising suspects available.
Okay, I am kinda defending him now...

by **LSU Tiger Josh** on Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:32 pm

Spiesr pointed out exactly what I meant. If Derf isn't scum and you want to lynch me go for it. Derf right now is stuck on whatever is the last color to recruit him better half if his role is indeed true. As such, no matter what color he is he needs to be lynched. Reality, go for killing me ace since you said that your kills only work on cult. Unless some cult decides this night they want to recruit me which I'm doubting I'll still be here tomorrow since I'm bored plain townie.

by **Juan_Bottom** on Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:20 am

Stroop wrote:Your role is just odd. If a cult leader would have made the mistake of recruiting you, his whole cult would be revealed to another cult and pretty much doomed. Maybe it's Nate's way of giving the town a better chance, but I don't think so. Also... "flipper flopper"?

Flipper flopper is probably his term. And not having any real experience with Mafia... I would say his role doesn't sound made up.

ace1217 wrote:
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Unvote Vote Derf at best you're a cult guy. At worse, you're a useless townie since no cult will go for you.

Wait, what? How does the fact that no cult will go for him make him useless? FOS LSU

I'm glad you said it. As I read what he was saying I was certain he didn't give that any kind of thought. Having claimed, if he's honest(not already recruited) then he's basically now invincable to recruitment.

spiesr wrote:I think what LSU meant was that now that derfderf has revealed his role, no cult will recruit him and therefor his power is useless...

But instead it's now a town power role. He is only killable, not recruitable.

captainwalrus wrote:If that is his [derfderf's] power then why wouldn't he just reaveal that at the begining so he can't be recruted?
derfderf34 wrote:Then if we lynch all the pro town power roles the game is free to become a faction game

Oh ya, He wants everyone to be cult, I forgot.
He seems very pro cult, and even if he isn't a leader I suspect he has gotten himself recruted.

If he hasn't been recruited..... by your..... wait..... are you trying to get him killed? Or do you consider him a liability, that he hasn't told us everything? He has been suspected as cult from the beggining, so I don't think anyone would have recruited him. Yet I don't yet see what you are driving at....

UNVOTE Vote captainwalrus???

ace1217 wrote:william18: Admitted to being red.
LSU Tiger Josh:Most likely blue
Iliad :Again, fairly neutral
norsemsn1066: Not sure on this one, he's been lurking most of the game
Stroop: Most definitely town.
derfderf34: 100% cult, most likely the last leader.
nagerous:Don't have much of a read on nagerous.
farside22: Needs to be replaced, has been inactive or lurking for most of the game.
Haggis_McMutton: Probably Blue.
spiesr: Somewhat scummy for defending LSU, a likely scum.
Juan_Bottom: Quite probably town
captainwalrus: Probably town.
Suspect101: 100% town in my eyes.

I wish you hadn't done that. Not that this info isn't out there already. A smart cult may add your opinions to their own and start to recruit the final few good people.
After his last post, I wonder if CW is town, but trying to get recruited.

by **Stroop** on Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:01 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
Stroop wrote:Your role is just odd. If a cult leader would have made the mistake of recruiting you, his whole cult would be revealed to another cult and pretty much doomed. Maybe it's Nate's way of giving the town a better chance, but I don't think so. Also... "flipper flopper"?

Flipper flopper is probably his term. And not having any real experience with Mafia... I would say his role doesn't sound made up.

If flipper flopper is derf's term the whole role comes from derf's imagination. You don't get a role PM and say "gee, I know, I'll call it flipper flopper!".

Though his role looks a bit plausible (even though it's called flipper flopper), his actions throughout the entire game make him look like the last cult leader. Personally, I don't want to take the risk of giving him at least one more night to recruit.

captainwalrus wrote:If that is his [derfderf's] power then why wouldn't he just reaveal that at the begining so he can't be recruted?
derfderf34 wrote:Then if we lynch all the pro town power roles the game is free to become a faction game

Oh ya, He wants everyone to be cult, I forgot.
He seems very pro cult, and even if he isn't a leader I suspect he has gotten himself recruted.

If he hasn't been recruited..... by your..... wait..... are you trying to get him killed? Or do you consider him a liability, that he hasn't told us everything? He has been suspected as cult from the beggining, so I don't think anyone would have recruited him. Yet I don't yet see what you are driving at....

UNVOTE Vote captainwalrus???

I don't really see why you're (failing at) voting captainwalrus here

by **derfderf34** on Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:54 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Spiesr pointed out exactly what I meant. If Derf isn't scum and you want to lynch me go for it. Derf right now is stuck on whatever is the last color to recruit him better half if his role is indeed true. As such, no matter what color he is he needs to be lynched. Reality, go for killing me ace since you said that your kills only work on cult. Unless some cult decides this night they want to recruit me which I'm doubting I'll still be here tomorrow since I'm bored plain townie.

you say that no matter what color i am i need to be lynched
so by saying this you are saying that even if i am unrecruitablt town i should be lynched
very scummy and maybe a little bit OMGUS but vote lsu

by **spiesr** on Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:23 am

derfderf34 wrote:you say that no matter what color i am i need to be lynched
so by saying this you are saying that even if i am unrecruitablt town i should be lynched

Wait, if you have a color, that means you are cult. If you are cult, you need to be lynched. Therefore if you have a color you need to be lynched. If you are a unrecruitable townies, you won't have a color.

derfderf34 wrote:very scummy and maybe a little bit OMGUS but vote lsu

So vote for for him despite finding that such an action would be "very scummy and maybe a little bit OMGUS"? Or did you mean he was "very scummy and maybe a little bit OMGUS"? Because doing things that are "very scummy" is probably a bad idea unless you want to be lynched.

by **Juan_Bottom** on Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:36 am

Stroop wrote:I don't really see why you're (failing at) voting captainwalrus here

That was my way of saying he was acting a bit suspicious there. Not quite lynchable, but don't give me a reason....

He and LSU are both acting questionable about this though. You know what I mean. It's hard to trust people who agree in such absurd ways.

Stroop wrote:If flipper flopper is derf's term the whole role comes from derf's imagination. You don't get a role PM and say "gee, I know, I'll call it flipper flopper!".

Though his role looks a bit plausible (even though it's called flipper flopper), his actions throughout the entire game make him look like the last cult leader. Personally, I don't want to take the risk of giving him at least one more night to recruit.

I can't disagree with you there, sir. I just don't have a a strong enough conviction against him. If he's telling the truth he'll be a valuable asset.
And if he's lying all together then I'm with you 100%. Trouble is as I said, I just don't feel strongly enough that he's a leader.

And his choice of name is just too silly. Isn't it?

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:01 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:I can't disagree with you there, sir. I just don't have a a strong enough conviction against him. If he's telling the truth he'll be a valuable asset.

How so? The cults will just avoid recruiting him and if they manage to outnumber the town at some point they'll win either way.

Also, assuming he can indeed see all the members and roles of the cult that attempts to recruit him, don't you think it'd be an overkill? I mean the cult unlucky enough to recruit him would be destroyed basically. Seems kind of unbalanced.

But still this is a pretty critical point in the game, so we should probably discuss matters a bit more before lynching.

by **Suspect101** on Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:05 pm

Will

Ace is going to kill LSU, who are you going to investigate? I do not want to do the same person.

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