USA Map Pack [Quenched]

[edbeard]

well uhh. I don't think it looks like a bunch of grapes. no offense. sorry to bring it up so late.

[WidowMakers]

Updates:
Fixed background images for Southeast and Southwest

VERSION 9 West

VERSION 11 Southwest

VERSION 8 Rockies

VERSION 13 Southeast

VERSION 15 Great Lakes

VERSION 9 New England
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[WidowMakers]

well uhh. I don't think it looks like a bunch of grapes. no offense. sorry to bring it up so late.

I am not offended. I just don't know how to make the bunch of grapes look better at that size. Do you have any suggestions?

FYI. I just talked to gimil. I need to get my Gameplay stamp before GFX. Ian said he was busy this weekend and that he should be able to look over it once more next week. If all goes well (and I get both stamps next week) I can have the XML and large versions done by at least the 10th of December. Hopefully these could be out by Christmas (my original goal)

WM

[pamoa]

put a characteristic grape leaf.

[WidowMakers]

Or a wine glass and bottle

[edbeard]

go with the bear. it's on the state flag.

plus it'll intimidate the other states


glass + bottle isn't half bad

[WidowMakers]

OK
Bear

Wine Glass and Bottle

[pamoa]

bottle and glass 100%

[edbeard]

bottle n glass fit better with the other icons but the bear feels more "California" to me. I'll abstain.

[WidowMakers]

bottle n glass fit better with the other icons but the bear feels more "California" to me. I'll abstain.

I agree they fit better. Glass and bottle

[WidowMakers]

Updates:
Changed California icon to Wine bottle and glass

VERSION 10 West

VERSION 11 Southwest

VERSION 8 Rockies

VERSION 13 Southeast

VERSION 15 Great Lakes

VERSION 9 New England

[e_i_pi]

One of the mods requested I post this, I can't remember which one as the PM is gone I believe it is the mod who is in charge of stamping gameplay on this map? iancanton perhaps?

It's chances in a 1v1 game of a player starting with bonuses. I'm only posting those bonuses which are greater than 2%:

West
8.43% - 3 Capitals

Southwest
20.39% - 3 Capitals
5.35% - 4 Capitals

Rockies
21.11% - 4 Capitals
8.26% - 5 Capitals
2.89% - North Dakota

Southeast
11.22% - 4 Capitals
2.42% - 5 Capitals

Southwest
33.33% - DC
10.71% - Delaware
3.31% - West Virginia

New England
9.24% - Rhode Island
2.52% - New Hampshire
2.52% - Vermont
2.52% - Connecticut

[WidowMakers]

One of the mods requested I post this, I can't remember which one as the PM is gone I believe it is the mod who is in charge of stamping gameplay on this map? iancanton perhaps?

It's chances in a 1v1 game of a player starting with bonuses. I'm only posting those bonuses which are greater than 2%:

West 24 starting terts
8.43% - 3 Capitals

Southwest 32 starting terts
20.39% - 3 Capitals
5.35% - 4 Capitals

Rockies 40 starting terts
21.11% - 4 Capitals
8.26% - 5 Capitals
2.89% - North Dakota

Southeast 40 starting terts
11.22% - 4 Capitals
2.42% - 5 Capitals

Great lakes 57 starting terts / 1 starting neutral
33.33% - DC Does not apply. It starts with 3 neutrals
10.71% - Delaware
3.31% - West Virginia

New England 35 starting terts
9.24% - Rhode Island
2.52% - New Hampshire
2.52% - Vermont
2.52% - Connecticut

Thanks
I will let Ian look over this and decide if some of them are too high.
There is really nothing that can be done about the small states in Great lakes and New England, or the West Capitals.
Also, the initial bonuses for capitals start small and in comparison to the rest, are not too much. (southwest, Rockies, Southeast)

Plus D.C starts neutral.

WM

[Nephilim]

crickets, sweet! now if you batter them, deep fry them, and dip them in ranch dressing, it will really say Alabama!

thanks mate, looks awesome

[WidowMakers]

I needed to edit the Southeast. There were two Jackson cities and since one is the Capital of Mississippi, I changed the one in Tennessee to Medina.

Version 14 Southeast

[WidowMakers]

Here are the first 3 XML files (with no coordinates setup, JUST THE BONUSES AND BORDERS)

WEST XML v01
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/6/15/ ... st_v01.xml

SOUTHWEST XML v01
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/6/15/ ... st_v01.xml

SOUTHEAST XML v01
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/6/15/ ... st_v01.xml

WM

[iancanton]

my apologies for the delay in replying. i'm told that i'll have internet at home again this evening.

thanks for the numerical analysis, e_i_pi. this is very illuminating. i assume that player 1 has a less than 2% chance of gaining from the drop any of the existing capital bonuses for great lakes and new england and that's why they don't appear on the list.

wm, can u eliminate the following bonuses: southwest 3 capitals, rockies 4 capitals and southeast 4 capitals? these three maps are smaller than classic and i'd like to cut the chance of an uneven start. as we discussed before, i agree that the big great lakes map has enough happening elsewhere that +1 for delaware won't be game-winning in itself; new england is a small map and +1 for rhode island could well boost a player's chances significantly, but 9.24% is borderline and i'm happy for the existing rhode island to survive unaltered to the beta stage.

while u wait for the foundry stamps, have u checked to see whether there are any cities whose name appears on more than one of the six maps? this is in case u choose to make a super-size usa map in future that stitches everything together. it's not that important, just a point of detail.

ian.

[edbeard]

my apologies for the delay in replying. i'm told that i'll have internet at home again this evening.

thanks for the numerical analysis, e_i_pi. this is very illuminating. i assume that player 1 has a less than 2% chance of gaining from the drop any of the existing capital bonuses for great lakes and new england and that's why they don't appear on the list.

wm, can u eliminate the following bonuses: southwest 3 capitals, rockies 4 capitals and southeast 4 capitals? these three maps are smaller than classic and i'd like to cut the chance of an uneven start. as we discussed before, i agree that the big great lakes map has enough happening elsewhere that +1 for delaware won't be game-winning in itself; new england is a small map and +1 for rhode island could well boost a player's chances significantly, but 9.24% is borderline and i'm happy for the existing rhode island to survive unaltered to the beta stage.

while u wait for the foundry stamps, have u checked to see whether there are any cities whose name appears on more than one of the six maps? this is in case u choose to make a super-size usa map in future that stitches everything together. it's not that important, just a point of detail.

ian.

how do these +1 bonuses have a larger effect on larger maps than an easier to get +1 on a smaller map in Delaware?

[WidowMakers]

how do these +1 bonuses have a larger effect on larger maps than an easier to get +1 on a smaller map in Delaware?

Delaware is on the largest map.

WM

[edbeard]

how do these +1 bonuses have a larger effect on larger maps than an easier to get +1 on a smaller map in Delaware?

Delaware is on the largest map.

WM

rhode island I meant. on the New England map

[WidowMakers]

wm, can u eliminate the following bonuses: southwest 3 capitals, rockies 4 capitals and southeast 4 capitals? these three maps are smaller than classic and i'd like to cut the chance of an uneven start. as we discussed before, i agree that the big great lakes map has enough happening elsewhere that +1 for delaware won't be game-winning in itself; new england is a small map and +1 for rhode island could well boost a player's chances significantly, but 9.24% is borderline and i'm happy for the existing rhode island to survive unaltered to the beta stage.

So are you saying I must delete these to get the stamps? I do agree with edbeard

while u wait for the foundry stamps, have u checked to see whether there are any cities whose name appears on more than one of the six maps? this is in case u choose to make a super-size usa map in future that stitches everything together. it's not that important, just a point of detail.

Since teh way I will be naming the cities is different in teh Large map (if i do it). It will not matter if they have the same name. The names will be the abbreviation for the State and then the first two letters of the city. But that is a LOOOOOOOOOONG way off and I will not adjust these maps to fit within that idea. It will need to adjust later.

Thanks

[iancanton]

how do these +1 bonuses have a larger effect on larger maps than an easier to get +1 on a smaller map in Delaware?

rhode island I meant. on the New England map

rhode island (new england) is 9.24%, while the probabilities of player 1 starting with the other maps' capital bonuses are 11.22%, 20% and 21%, so the rhode island bonus isn't more likely to be awarded to player 1 from the drop (in other words, not "easier to get"). southwest (20%) is a smaller map than new england, while the other two are slightly larger maps, but still less than classic-sized.

wm, although i think 9.24% for new england is still on the high side for a small map, u expressed a wish to retain rhode island as a 2-territory state; ur judgement prevails on this one. deleting the lowest capital bonuses of the three other maps for more even starts does not involve changing the layout or map graphics, just the legend (and the xml is simpler too) - since we're not changing part of the essential character of the map, i'd certainly like southeast, southwest and rockies to be altered.

e_i_pi, are the percentages the probability of player 1 starting with exactly the stated number of capitals or at least the stated number? if it is the latter, then i can accept running with the 11.22% on southeast.

ian.

[edbeard]

hello! they are + 1 bonuses.

[e_i_pi]

e_i_pi, are the percentages the probability of player 1 starting with exactly the stated number of capitals or at least the stated number? if it is the latter, then i can accept running with the 11.22% on southeast.

ian.

Sorry ian, been busy, have only just dropped back in on this thread.

The chances are the exact values. If you would like cumulative values for the 'at least this many' cases, please tell me which bonuses you refer to. Also, WM has the same spreadsheet I calculated these bonuses from, so he can tell you any of the %s I didn't quote.

[GreecePwns]

These look absolutely awesome. One question about New England map though. You totally removed Long Island as if it never existed.