Coheed & Cambria mafia - Town Winnn.

[jnd94]

And NONE OF YOU ARE GOING TO!

So either make this last forever, or vote the bastard and let's learn from it.

The town is already dead as is, I don't think we have the time or chance left to "learn from it". This does indeed make me think more and more that you are an SK.

[Anarkistsdream]

And NONE OF YOU ARE GOING TO!

So either make this last forever, or vote the bastard and let's learn from it.

The town is already dead as is, I don't think we have the time or chance left to "learn from it". This does indeed make me think more and more that you are an SK.

I'm not, but what I AM is tired of games that drag on. What? Is someone going to have a fucking epiphany that actually helps???

No! So we either do this and trust Selin or not.

And for you to say the town is dead is retarded... We MAY be at LYLO right now, but we obviously have not yet hit it.

[jnd94]

but the thing is that if we do go and trust Selin, and mili ends up town, then I'm pretty sure we will be fucked over totally.

I'm going to trust Selin, hope that he's right.

Vote mili

[Anarkistsdream]

but the thing is that if we do go and trust Selin, and mili ends up town, then I'm pretty sure we will be fucked over totally.

I'm going to trust Selin, hope that he's right.

Vote mili

That's all I'm saying.

I'll claim... I'm a roleblocker.

That make you feel happier?

Let scum kill me tonight, or let's have everyone tell me who I should roleblock...

[Skittles!]

VOTE COUNT

Anarkistsdream (1) - militant
militant (4) - Anarkistsdream, ga7, Pancakemix, jnd94

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Militant's at -1 lynch.

[Selin]

Here we go with the explanation part 1. Part 1 was the original one, that I thought to post first, however due to reasons that I will explain in part 2, I avoided to post this fully after thinking a while. Remember all what you read in this post (except this first paragraph in italics) was written at the start of Day 4 before I claimed militant being mafia vig.


Alive characters:
1) Mafia:
Wilhelm Ryan - Supreme Tri-Mage (Godfather)
Gen. Mayo Deftinwolf - Cyborg (Mafia Vig)
possibly Dr. Durvine - Genetic Engineer (possibly Mafia doctor)

2) Neutral:
The Writer - Human (Serial Killer)

3) Town: (I will not declare their roles for towns sake)
Claudio Kilgannon -
Jesse Kilgannon -
Cambria Kilgannon -
Newo Ikkin -



Vote: Militant, Gen. Mayo Deftinwolf - Cyborg (Mafia Vig). With a smaller, but still a good probability he may be also Wilhelm Ryan - Supreme Tri-Mage (Godfather).

He is 100% scum and he was the one who killed Sierra at Night 1, Skoffin at Night 2 and / at Night 3.

2) We next need to kill ga7, The Writer (Serial Killer) after the lynch scene tonight. ga7 is 100% The Writer and he killed pancake (Erica Court) at Night 1 and he targeted me at Night 3, as you can see, without success.

3) Tomorrow we need to lynch Iliad, most probably Dr Durvine, or less probable Wilhelm Ryan. He has been lying since Day 1. This is 100% for sure. He made a fake claim being Dr. Hohenberger. He has never protected AD or ga7.

4) Last we need to lynch the Godfather (depending on the results of Militant and Iliad) and guess who he is. The next liar on the list is Mandy, Wilhelm Ryan - Supreme Tri-Mage (Godfather). He made also a fake claim, honestly said a very good one on Day 1. He has been also lying since Day 1.

Please note that there might be slight variations in the roles of those 4 players as explained above. Don't get irritated, if this is the case. They are all proven scum.

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[Selin]

And here we go with part 2, why I just revealed militant's identity as first step.

There are 8 players left. Most probably 4 townies, 3 scum and 1 SK as explained in the first post. We needed 5 votes to lynch militant, so even if all townies had voted him, we wouldn't be able to lynch him without the help of ga7 (SK). On the other hand ga7, knowing that his identity is also revealed and we will may kill him tonight, might have not supported us to lynch militant. A no lynch today would have demolished the only chance we could have had, so I decided to secure the lynch of militant first, either with the help of ga7 (not knowing he is also revealed) or with Iliad or mandy (who might have wanted to look like a good townie by voting their scum buddy).

This was the only way I could have thought to have a chance to win the game for the town. However we are not secure yet. Although I know what each townies should do tonight, I can't openly write it here, because scum will read it too and define their actions accordingly. So I will only write an analysis about possibilities and hope that you carefully analyze them and act correctly with your night choices. Let's continue...

Although I believe more that militant is scum vig, there is also a good chance that he is the godfather. After we get the lynch scene, we have to analyze it very carefully and decide on night choices accordingly. There will be another killer (ga7, The Writer) left alive. So we have to take care of him either this night or latest tomorrow at lynch scene. There is a possibility that ga7 is able to kill every two days (he didn't attack anyone at Night 2). If this is the case, our chance will increase. If not, it depends on who he selects as target. So much about ga7.

Scum team will have of course more possibilities.
a) militant is godfather (meaning that there is no scum vig). In this case we have to take care of another scum tonight and lynch ga7 tomorrow. And I would expect mandy being Gen. Mayo Deftinwolf, as he pushed so hard to kill Clive (Usurper of Mayo Deftinwolf). Please note that we don't know his role in this case.

b) militant is scum vig (the more complex situation). We can either target one of rest of scum or ga7 tonight. This choice will have highest effect on the success or failure of townies, because there is a risk of targeting the godfather and not being able of killing him. And I can't advice you on that issue openly here, because of possible scum roles left (such as doctor, roleblocker). I made there a good guess that scum may have a doctor, but it's not 100% proven. Townies, we should use our powers tonight, because one of us maybe missing tomorrow morning. So townies, we are on our own in this critical step, good luck.

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[Selin]

Now the last part taking into consideration all the posts after my claim militant being mafia vig.

Townies also by themselves can easily verify now that Iliad is also scum, if you read his posts after the claim carefully. He was clearly not willing to vote militant and tried to gain some time (waiting also mandy and militant).

On top of his slip on day 1, in his post at the end of page 35 he made another important slip by stating that 3 mafia members were left. In fact that was correct, but AD never made such a statement, AD said only we have two killers (see below).

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But look at what I found

We're fucked, town...
There are at least two killers. I know now that ga7 is not one of them.
If we don't lynch Mili now, then tonight they get TWO MORE KILLS and the game is over.

He seems awfully sure that mafia have 2nks and that they have 3 people. None of which is revealed.

Am I really the only who thinks that is a MAJOR scumtell.

Mil better get here and defend his ass soon

jnd > We know that you are not scum, but a lazy townie. At least check the thread now and then, and don't forget to vote scum next day

[Iliad]

*Sigh*
Selin you said you would tell us how you got the informatino when he is at -1

f*ck fastposted

[Iliad]

Now the last part taking into consideration all the posts after my claim militant being mafia vig.

Townies also by themselves can easily verify now that Iliad is also scum, if you read his posts after the claim carefully. He was clearly not willing to vote militant and tried to gain some time (waiting also mandy and militant).

On top of his slip on day 1, in his post at the end of page 35 he made another important slip by stating that 3 mafia members were left. In fact that was correct, but AD never made such a statement, AD said only we have two killers (see below).

...
But look at what I found

We're fucked, town...
There are at least two killers. I know now that ga7 is not one of them.
If we don't lynch Mili now, then tonight they get TWO MORE KILLS and the game is over.

He seems awfully sure that mafia have 2nks and that they have 3 people. None of which is revealed.

Am I really the only who thinks that is a MAJOR scumtell.

Mil better get here and defend his ass soon

jnd > We know that you are not scum, but a lazy townie. At least check the thread now and then, and don't forget to vote scum next day

I never said there were 3 people. I said AD was sure that there were 3 people. I saw AD saying taht there would be 2nks and then town loses. I thought that there have been no hints at mafia players left and why would he think that we would lose instantly and posted it. I see in NO way how that is a slip-up. And selin since when was not blindly following and bandwagoning and wanting a claim and a defense before a lynch SCUMMY?

I was only trying to garner more information for town. And now let's test you

Vote militant

[militant]

Thats a lynch right. Good Game all. Selin you are far too good for me to keep up with

Thanks for the game Skittles!, I have really enjoyed playing this.

[Selin]

Thats a lynch right. Good Game all. Selin you are far too good for me to keep up with

Thanks for the game Skittles!, I have really enjoyed playing this.

You did it pretty well and killed Sierra, Skoffin and / without detected up to now. Good work.

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[Selin]

Thats a lynch right. Good Game all. Selin you are far too good for me to keep up with

Thanks for the game Skittles!, I have really enjoyed playing this.

You did it pretty well and killed Sierra, Skoffin and / without detected up to now. Good work.

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By the way, you killed Sierra, because he made a lot of pressure on you on day 1. Did you choose other targets randomly? If so it was a good guess in case of Skoffin as a doctor and also in case of / having a special ability that helped me much (although / doesn't know that).

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[Selin]

And here we go with part 2, why I just revealed militant's identity as first step.

There are 8 players left. Most probably 4 townies, 3 scum and 1 SK as explained in the first post. We needed 5 votes to lynch militant, so even if all townies had voted him, we wouldn't be able to lynch him without the help of ga7 (SK). On the other hand ga7, knowing that his identity is also revealed and we will may kill him tonight, might have not supported us to lynch militant. A no lynch today would have demolished the only chance we could have had, so I decided to secure the lynch of militant first, either with the help of ga7 (not knowing he is also revealed) or with Iliad or mandy (who might have wanted to look like a good townie by voting their scum buddy).

This was the only way I could have thought to have a chance to win the game for the town. However we are not secure yet. Although I know what each townies should do tonight, I can't openly write it here, because scum will read it too and define their actions accordingly. So I will only write an analysis about possibilities and hope that you carefully analyze them and act correctly with your night choices. Let's continue...

Although I believe more that militant is scum vig, there is also a good chance that he is the godfather. After we get the lynch scene, we have to analyze it very carefully and decide on night choices accordingly. There will be another killer (ga7, The Writer) left alive. So we have to take care of him either this night or latest tomorrow at lynch scene. There is a possibility that ga7 is able to kill every two days (he didn't attack anyone at Night 2). If this is the case, our chance will increase. If not, it depends on who he selects as target. So much about ga7.

Scum team will have of course more possibilities.
a) militant is godfather (meaning that there is no scum vig). In this case we have to take care of another scum tonight and lynch ga7 tomorrow. And I would expect mandy being Gen. Mayo Deftinwolf, as he pushed so hard to kill Clive (Usurper of Mayo Deftinwolf). Please note that we don't know his role in this case.

b) militant is scum vig (the more complex situation). We can either target one of rest of scum or ga7 tonight. This choice will have highest effect on the success or failure of townies, because there is a risk of targeting the godfather and not being able of killing him. And I can't advice you on that issue openly here, because of possible scum roles left (such as doctor, roleblocker). I made there a good guess that scum may have a doctor, but it's not 100% proven. Townies, we should use our powers tonight, because one of us maybe missing tomorrow morning. So townies, we are on our own in this critical step, good luck.

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With regard to my above post, I just realised that ga7 might have targeted someone at Night 2 without success. However this won't make any difference in our approach. We should assume that he will be able to target someone tonight.

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[militant]

I will talk about it after the game is finished but for now I am keeping quiet

[Selin]

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I never said there were 3 people. I said AD was sure that there were 3 people. I saw AD saying taht there would be 2nks and then town loses. I thought that there have been no hints at mafia players left and why would he think that we would lose instantly and posted it. I see in NO way how that is a slip-up. And selin since when was not blindly following and bandwagoning and wanting a claim and a defense before a lynch SCUMMY?

I was only trying to garner more information for town. And now let's test you

Vote militant

That was a very meaningful vote on militant, after we already lynched him.

As I posted before, I knew already at the beginning of the day 4 that you fake claimed and lied about your protections. Even if you had voted militant immediately without discussing, nothing would have changed. We will anyway lynch you, Mr. Scum.

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[Iliad]

....
I never said there were 3 people. I said AD was sure that there were 3 people. I saw AD saying taht there would be 2nks and then town loses. I thought that there have been no hints at mafia players left and why would he think that we would lose instantly and posted it. I see in NO way how that is a slip-up. And selin since when was not blindly following and bandwagoning and wanting a claim and a defense before a lynch SCUMMY?

I was only trying to garner more information for town. And now let's test you

Vote militant

That was a very meaningful vote on militant, after we already lynched him.

As I posted before, I knew already at the beginning of the day 4 that you fake claimed and lied about your protections. Even if you had voted militant immediately without discussing, nothing would have changed. We will anyway lynch you, Mr. Scum.

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Selin
a) mil wasn't lynched at that point. Jnd put him at -1,I did not notice the vote, what will all those coloured writing, beckoning to my eyes
b) real nice how you attack me, I completely refute your attacks and you ignore that and keep attacking me

[jnd94]

wow, great post Selin.

[mandalorian2298]

Well, I was all ready to deny and bullshit and the usual stuff. However, there are times in Scum's life, when truth is, suprisingly, a useful tool. Real nice job Selin. So...

YO GA7!!! I OFFER YOU AN ALLIANCE.

After Militant gets lynched, there will be 7 people left. If we both hit a mark, on Day 5 there will be 5 people left. Town will lynch either Iliad or me, because we pose a bigger threat right now then you do. That makes 4. We kill the two remaining Townies and voila (as your people say) we have earned a draw!

Why should you do it? Because, should you chose to kill either me or Iliad at any stage, you would be handing the Victory to the Town and, being a villain, I assume that you're against that kind of stuff. Let's turn this into a game of uninformed majority VS. armed minority.

[mandalorian2298]

Now the last part taking into consideration all the posts after my claim militant being mafia vig.

Townies also by themselves can easily verify now that Iliad is also scum, if you read his posts after the claim carefully. He was clearly not willing to vote militant and tried to gain some time (waiting also mandy and militant).

On top of his slip on day 1, in his post at the end of page 35 he made another important slip by stating that 3 mafia members were left. In fact that was correct, but AD never made such a statement, AD said only we have two killers (see below).

...
But look at what I found

We're fucked, town...
There are at least two killers. I know now that ga7 is not one of them.
If we don't lynch Mili now, then tonight they get TWO MORE KILLS and the game is over.

He seems awfully sure that mafia have 2nks and that they have 3 people. None of which is revealed.

Am I really the only who thinks that is a MAJOR scumtell.

Mil better get here and defend his ass soon

jnd > We know that you are not scum, but a lazy townie. At least check the thread now and then, and don't forget to vote scum next day

I never said there were 3 people. I said AD was sure that there were 3 people. I saw AD saying taht there would be 2nks and then town loses. I thought that there have been no hints at mafia players left and why would he think that we would lose instantly and posted it. I see in NO way how that is a slip-up. And selin since when was not blindly following and bandwagoning and wanting a claim and a defense before a lynch SCUMMY?

I was only trying to garner more information for town. And now let's test you

Vote militant

You so had them fooled.

[Anarkistsdream]

Well, I was all ready to deny and bullshit and the usual stuff. However, there are times in Scum's life, when truth is, suprisingly, a useful tool. Real nice job Selin. So...

YO GA7!!! I OFFER YOU AN ALLIANCE.

After Militant gets lynched, there will be 7 people left. If we both hit a mark, on Day 5 there will be 5 people left. Town will lynch either Iliad or me, because we pose a bigger threat right now then you do. That makes 4. We kill the two remaining Townies and voila (as your people say) we have earned a draw!

Why should you do it? Because, should you chose to kill either me or Iliad at any stage, you would be handing the Victory to the Town and, being a villain, I assume that you're against that kind of stuff. Let's turn this into a game of uninformed majority VS. armed minority.

Good thing I'm a one-shot vig...

Now I know who to use it on...

Nighty-night.

[mandalorian2298]

Well, I was all ready to deny and bullshit and the usual stuff. However, there are times in Scum's life, when truth is, suprisingly, a useful tool. Real nice job Selin. So...

YO GA7!!! I OFFER YOU AN ALLIANCE.

After Militant gets lynched, there will be 7 people left. If we both hit a mark, on Day 5 there will be 5 people left. Town will lynch either Iliad or me, because we pose a bigger threat right now then you do. That makes 4. We kill the two remaining Townies and voila (as your people say) we have earned a draw!

Why should you do it? Because, should you chose to kill either me or Iliad at any stage, you would be handing the Victory to the Town and, being a villain, I assume that you're against that kind of stuff. Let's turn this into a game of uninformed majority VS. armed minority.

Good thing I'm a one-shot vig...

Now I know who to use it on...

Nighty-night.

Loose lips lose chips AD. I'll explain it tommorow.

[Selin]

Well, I was all ready to deny and bullshit and the usual stuff. However, there are times in Scum's life, when truth is, suprisingly, a useful tool. Real nice job Selin. So...

YO GA7!!! I OFFER YOU AN ALLIANCE.

After Militant gets lynched, there will be 7 people left. If we both hit a mark, on Day 5 there will be 5 people left. Town will lynch either Iliad or me, because we pose a bigger threat right now then you do. That makes 4. We kill the two remaining Townies and voila (as your people say) we have earned a draw!

Why should you do it? Because, should you chose to kill either me or Iliad at any stage, you would be handing the Victory to the Town and, being a villain, I assume that you're against that kind of stuff. Let's turn this into a game of uninformed majority VS. armed minority.

Winning is not everything. Nobody will remember who won this game after a while, but everyone will remember this end game. As far as I know ga7, he would honor townies after such a spectacular end game. Actually I don't know him personally, but I have that impression due to many games we played already.

By the way, having the godfather and SK left alone, mafia will win, as the godfather is immune to kills, but not SK. So it would be a no lynch on Day 6 and you would kill ga7 next. Nice try mandy.

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[mandalorian2298]

Well, I was all ready to deny and bullshit and the usual stuff. However, there are times in Scum's life, when truth is, suprisingly, a useful tool. Real nice job Selin. So...

YO GA7!!! I OFFER YOU AN ALLIANCE.

After Militant gets lynched, there will be 7 people left. If we both hit a mark, on Day 5 there will be 5 people left. Town will lynch either Iliad or me, because we pose a bigger threat right now then you do. That makes 4. We kill the two remaining Townies and voila (as your people say) we have earned a draw!

Why should you do it? Because, should you chose to kill either me or Iliad at any stage, you would be handing the Victory to the Town and, being a villain, I assume that you're against that kind of stuff. Let's turn this into a game of uninformed majority VS. armed minority.

Winning is not everything. Nobody will remember who won this game after a while, but everyone will remember this end game. As far as I know ga7, he would honor townies after such a spectacular end game. Actually I don't know him personally, but I have that impression due to many games we played already.

By the way, having the godfather and SK left alone, mafia will win, as the godfather is immune to kills, but not SK. So it would be a no lynch on Day 6 and you would kill ga7 next. Nice try mandy.

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Winning is everything that you can get out of a game. Objectively looking, of course no one gives a shit if you won one game or twenty. But, winning IS the point of playing, and, since we all seem to be finding it worth our time to play this game, we are all willing to try and win it.

As for the godfather - SK scenario, it's only going to happen if you guys lynch the wrong guy tomorrow.

As for Ga7 honoring the townies for 'such a spectacular end game'
1) nice investigating Selin (this is me honoring you without giving up
2) It's not end game yet, sunshine. You might have blown our cover, but you also blow your own, which allows scum (that would be me) to adapt their strategy to this new circumstances.,
3) If Ga7 just offers you his neck, than he is surely not going to win. If he accepts my alliance, then he has a chance to earn at least a draw. Giving up a fight is never an honorable option. To quote Miyamoto Musashi: "To die with an unused sword still in it's sheet: this would be a sad thing." (my translation from Croatian translation of 'Gorin no sho'. I'm sure that the original sounds better).
4) I don't expect Ga7 to answer with words, but through deeds. This way, if someone screws up along the way, he still has a chance to convince the last surviving Townie that you were wrong (I don't see you surviving that long to dispute his claim. )

[pancakemix]

There is no harm in claiming now. I am Jesse Kilgannon, the cop. I investigated Iliad and he came up as Doctor Hohenberger. Since Selin has revealed that the Doctor is gone, that can't possibly be the case. That's why I didn't think he was lying earlier. Since he came up pro-town, I'm certain that he is, in fact, Wilhelm Ryan, making him bulletproof.

I'm only saying this because anything I do now is either pointless or harmful because everything is revealed. Nark, make your choice wisely tonight.