Coheed & Cambria mafia - Town Winnn.

[Selin]

I might take a long shot here but... Just looking over the talk since the beginning of the day makes me think we can trust Selin. Basically Mili has been actively voting townies and I wouldn't find it strange for him to be scum; I already thought there was a link between Pancake and Illy so there could be a chance they're also scum and now they're adamant in not wanting to vote Mili; I trust Mandy and AD to be town at this point. That leaves as unknown Jnd and Selin.

I just don't like blindly trsuting people. Especially this late in the game. If selin gave any even vague hint or reason that would be okay.

@Selin:town needs information. If you are spot on the mafia know you have some kind of power role. You might as well share the information with town.

Not voting the scum vig after my claim is a clear sign of a mafia brotherhood for me.

You claimed to be the townie inventor. Your argumentation here is a contradiction to your claim. What are you afraid of? Tell me one logical reason why you need absolutely an explanation to vote a scum vig.

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[pancakemix]

I might take a long shot here but... Just looking over the talk since the beginning of the day makes me think we can trust Selin. Basically Mili has been actively voting townies and I wouldn't find it strange for him to be scum; I already thought there was a link between Pancake and Illy so there could be a chance they're also scum and now they're adamant in not wanting to vote Mili; I trust Mandy and AD to be town at this point. That leaves as unknown Jnd and Selin.

I just don't like blindly trsuting people. Especially this late in the game. If selin gave any even vague hint or reason that would be okay.

@Selin:town needs information. If you are spot on the mafia know you have some kind of power role. You might as well share the information with town.

Not voting the scum vig after my claim is a clear sign of a mafia brotherhood for me.

You claimed to be the townie inventor. Your argumentation here is a contradiction to your claim. What are you afraid of? Tell me one logical reason why you need absolutely an explanation to vote a scum vig.

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Um... a random, unclaimed player told us to out of nowhere?

[ga7]

unvote I just realized something. Selin, you say you will provide an explanation before the end of the day when we put Mili at l-1. Then you say you don't want to disclose information to scum. That contradicts itself. If you can't reveal information why did you say you would even provide an explanation? What difference will it make since it will theorically be before the night phase?
In any case, I'd like to hear Jnd's and Mandy's take on this. I'm more inclined to vote Mili anyway at this point but it'd be nice to hear from everyone.

As for my recurrent accusations I don't see anything wrong with it. For Illy if he's honest it's actually more useful than anything, without expanding too much... As for Pancake, your explanations didn't convince me fully and I still find you fishy. The fact you're struggling with wanting to OMGUS me doesn't do much for me

[pancakemix]

As for Pancake, your explanations didn't convince me fully and I still find you fishy. The fact you're struggling with wanting to OMGUS me doesn't do much for me

You ignored my point. You've misconstrued my actions more than once when my actions were very clear cut. This is not something that I would expect from you, highly regarded as one of the best players.

[ga7]

Your actions could be read either way, you'd be blind to ignore it. You explained how they could be town behavior, I explained how they could be scum behavior. That's all there is to it.

[Selin]

I might take a long shot here but... Just looking over the talk since the beginning of the day makes me think we can trust Selin. Basically Mili has been actively voting townies and I wouldn't find it strange for him to be scum; I already thought there was a link between Pancake and Illy so there could be a chance they're also scum and now they're adamant in not wanting to vote Mili; I trust Mandy and AD to be town at this point. That leaves as unknown Jnd and Selin.

I just don't like blindly trsuting people. Especially this late in the game. If selin gave any even vague hint or reason that would be okay.

@Selin:town needs information. If you are spot on the mafia know you have some kind of power role. You might as well share the information with town.

Not voting the scum vig after my claim is a clear sign of a mafia brotherhood for me.

You claimed to be the townie inventor. Your argumentation here is a contradiction to your claim. What are you afraid of? Tell me one logical reason why you need absolutely an explanation to vote a scum vig.

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Um... a random, unclaimed player told us to out of nowhere?

A random, unclaimed player told you out of nowhere to lynch the mafia vig, where there are only 8 players left and out of 18 only 1 mafia member has been revealed yet.
Don't you see, how critical the situation is?
Does it make any difference whether or not I'm a lyncher or a cop or a doc or a joat or any another townie? Do you see a realistic chance for townies, if we can't lynch the mafia vig now? Could you have had a more clearer claim than mine?

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[Selin]

unvote I just realized something. Selin, you say you will provide an explanation before the end of the day when we put Mili at l-1. Then you say you don't want to disclose information to scum. That contradicts itself. If you can't reveal information why did you say you would even provide an explanation? What difference will it make since it will theorically be before the night phase?
In any case, I'd like to hear Jnd's and Mandy's take on this. I'm more inclined to vote Mili anyway at this point but it'd be nice to hear from everyone.

As for my recurrent accusations I don't see anything wrong with it. For Illy if he's honest it's actually more useful than anything, without expanding too much... As for Pancake, your explanations didn't convince me fully and I still find you fishy. The fact you're struggling with wanting to OMGUS me doesn't do much for me

It doesn't contradict and you will understand my logic. My explanation can only harm the town, if we can't secure the lynch of militant. When I can see the lynch is secured, I will post my pre-prepared explanation and at the same time vote militant. So scum will have no chance to use this info today. And this is the critical point here.

Sorry, but I can't explain more now. So, if you want to have a chance to win, then vote.

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[pancakemix]

A random, unclaimed player told you out of nowhere to lynch the mafia vig, where there are only 8 players left and out of 18 only 1 mafia member has been revealed yet.
Don't you see, how critical the situation is?
Does it make any difference whether or not I'm a lyncher or a cop or a doc or a joat or any another townie? Do you see a realistic chance for townies, if we can't lynch the mafia vig now? Could you have had a more clearer claim than mine?

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Yes, but this unclaimed player has yet to provide any information as to why this lynch should happen except for that the situation is critical. I know that the situation is critical. But since you refuse to claim or at least explain yourself, I have no reason to vote for him. This line really gets me. You've claimed nothing, but you ask what claim could be clearer. Quite a few, I'd say.

Let me add this on from the fast post mechanism: Are we in LYLO right now, Selin?

Your actions could be read either way, you'd be blind to ignore it. You explained how they could be town behavior, I explained how they could be scum behavior. That's all there is to it.

It was more the way you stated it as fact and voted me for it. You didn't say "It could have meant X", You said "It means X, [b]Vote Pancake.[b]" There was no conditional, only indicative. So... you're full of crap?

[ga7]

Hmm ok. I skimread again some of the thread and you're right on one account, regardless of your role Mili is likely scum and probably what you said. His initial reaction on your accusation alone is pretty incriminating to me.
Vote Militant

Pancake, you've been here long enough to understand the need of fishing and pressure amongst good players. It's not like I caused a wagon, and seeing Mili immediately said you were making sense in your original explanation makes me think my hunch is right anyway. *grins*

[ga7]

Btw just for the lolz

I never said I didn't want to lynch Mili, I wanted an explanation.

But since you refuse to claim or at least explain yourself, I have no reason to vote for him.

First line I understand, second line seems rather close-minded to me. Did you see how Mili aknowledged Selin's claim but only talked about AD? Most townies would at least adress it, but not Mili. I'd be surprised if he posts again at this point with a decent explanation. Anyway, does this line means that for you, regardless of what Mili does as long as Selin doesn't spill the beans you won't vote him? Heh heh heh.

[pancakemix]

Btw just for the lolz

I never said I didn't want to lynch Mili, I wanted an explanation.

But since you refuse to claim or at least explain yourself, I have no reason to vote for him.

First line I understand, second line seems rather close-minded to me. Did you see how Mili aknowledged Selin's claim but only talked about AD? Most townies would at least adress it, but not Mili. I'd be surprised if he posts again at this point with a decent explanation. Anyway, does this line means that for you, regardless of what Mili does as long as Selin doesn't spill the beans you won't vote him? Heh heh heh.

Wow. Really? Wow...

To put it simply, I don't even know how you got there. Really, tell me how you got there. I wanna know. I'm clearly stating that Selin has given me no reason to trust him and vote Mili, but I really want to know how you can take something that differently.

[Anarkistsdream]

We're fucked, town...

There are at least two killers. I know now that ga7 is not one of them.

If we don't lynch Mili now, then tonight they get TWO MORE KILLS and the game is over.

[pancakemix]

We're fucked, town...

There are at least two killers. I know now that ga7 is not one of them.

If we don't lynch Mili now, then tonight they get TWO MORE KILLS and the game is over.

wat

[ga7]

Simple enough. The second line highlights the fact that you focus entirely on getting info out of Selin while being the least concerned about how Mili could be in fact scum. You're conditioning your vote entirely on what Selin has to say, disregarding Mili's own behavior. You say you have no reason else to vote Mili. Did you even consider it???

[pancakemix]

Simple enough. The second line highlights the fact that you focus entirely on getting info out of Selin while being the least concerned about how Mili could be in fact scum. You're conditioning your vote entirely on what Selin has to say, disregarding Mili's own behavior. You say you have no reason else to vote Mili. Did you even consider it???

I did. My reason for not voting is better than your reason for voting.

Bahhh! I wanna know
Vote Militant

I'm not voting him because I didn't play this game for over a year, become one of the more respected players, and get invited to games before they were open to the public signups by blindly following every man who claims to know something. Isn't that what this game is all about? Doubt, suspicion, lies, and twists? Could Mili be scum? Yes. Could Selin be scum? Yes. Could you be scum? Yes. We all have a random chance of being scum. That, however, is beside the point. The point is Selin has stated that he will explain why he wants mili's lynch later, when he can safely hammer without giving us the evidence. Why doesn't that bother you?

[Selin]

..... Did you see how Mili aknowledged Selin's claim but only talked about AD? Most townies would at least adress it, but not Mili. I'd be surprised if he posts again at this point with a decent explanation. .....

He is busy now searching internet to find a suitable fake claim

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[Selin]

We're fucked, town...

There are at least two killers. I know now that ga7 is not one of them.

If we don't lynch Mili now, then tonight they get TWO MORE KILLS and the game is over.

Stay calm, we still have a chance, provided that we can lynch mafia vig today.

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[Selin]

To Cambria Kilgannon:

read what I wrote and please don't reveal yourself yet

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[ga7]

The point is Selin has stated that he will explain why he wants mili's lynch later, when he can safely hammer without giving us the evidence. Why doesn't that bother you?

It does, but as there is a chance as you said that any one of us can be scum, I cannot discard the possibility that he really can't explain right now. So I prefer to focus on whether or not Mili is scum. Btw I explained my reasoning right after I voted, so that quote is silly. And you still don't answer about if you even considered Mili's own scuminess regardless of Selin's matter. It is one thing to not want to follow blindly someone, it is another to not want to make one's own idea about it.

[Selin]

To Jesse Kilgannon:

make your move very carefully

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[Selin]

To Newo Ikkin,

trust your boyfriend,

and I know you are clever enough to understand what I mean

[pancakemix]

The point is Selin has stated that he will explain why he wants mili's lynch later, when he can safely hammer without giving us the evidence. Why doesn't that bother you?

It does, but as there is a chance as you said that any one of us can be scum, I cannot discard the possibility that he really can't explain right now. So I prefer to focus on whether or not Mili is scum. Btw I explained my reasoning right after I voted, so that quote is silly. And you still don't answer about if you even considered Mili's own scuminess regardless of Selin's matter. It is one thing to not want to follow blindly someone, it is another to not want to make one's own idea about it.

The first thing I said was that I had considered voting Mili. Skim much?

I've got reason to Vote Mili now though. Addressing characters by name is something I don't take lightly, and the way he's doing it is convincing enough for me. I'm still at a loss as to how much he might know, why he knows it, and why he's doing it this way, but I'm afraid that not trusting him for such a bold move would be unwise.

[Selin]

So, what about you now Iliad?

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[Skittles!]

VOTE COUNT

Anarkistsdream (1) - militant
militant (3) - Anarkistsdream, ga7, Pancakemix

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

AD, you make me sad. Hating Co&Ca?

[Iliad]

Selin sometimes I don't really get you. Mil has being playing scummilly but tis strange you expected me to vote him just based on your word. He looks like he might be scum
But since you haven't even told anyone what your role is or how you got the information. Also I would like mili to at least defend and claim. Even if he is mafia and if he is mayo and mafia vig(what the hell is a mafia vig?) it would be good for him to claim and try to fish some info out of him.

But look at what I found

We're fucked, town...

There are at least two killers. I know now that ga7 is not one of them.

If we don't lynch Mili now, then tonight they get TWO MORE KILLS and the game is over.

He seems awfully sure that mafia have 2nks and that they have 3 people. None of which is revealed.

Am I really the only who thinks that is a MAJOR scumtell.

Mil better get here and defend his ass soon