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The second one - I've heard all my best friends stories over and over...Gregrios wrote:
A nuke has went off and you have an underground room where you have the essentials for living. You can choose one of two people to come in and live with you. One person is your best friend who you've known and trusted for your whole life while the other person is someone telling you all the things you want to hear but you have no idea what his true intentions are. Who are you going to choose?
So one of your friends is magical & invisible?Gregrios wrote:A nuke has went off and you have an underground room where you have the essentials for living. You can choose one of two people to come in and live with you. One person is your best friend who you've known and trusted for your whole life while the other person is someone telling you all the things you want to hear but you have no idea what his true intentions are. Who are you going to choose?

are registered trademarks of Backglass Heavy Industries.You have proclaimed your unwavering belief in fairy tales. There is no need to discredit you.Gregrios wrote:In your attempt to discredit me, you've succeeded only in discrediting yourself.

are registered trademarks of Backglass Heavy Industries.A worthy bump.Gregrios wrote:On the off chance that you guys arn't just being patronizing and really want to know, I'll explain.![]()
Free will is a filtering tool for determining the sincere from the insincere for acceptance into Heaven.
If God proved himself everyone would choose Heaven.
Therefore making it impossible to seperate the sincere from the insincere.
Beleiving in God on pure faith can only be posessed by the sincere.
....but choosing God out of proof is a decision made by the mind and not by faith.
The problem with proving himself to the world and letting everyone into Heaven is that by doing so he would be letting the insincere enter the kingdom of Heaven and letting all hell break loose within Heaven itself.
Let me put it to you this way:
A nuke has went off and you have an underground room where you have the essentials for living. You can choose one of two people to come in and live with you. One person is your best friend who you've known and trusted for your whole life while the other person is someone telling you all the things you want to hear but you have no idea what his true intentions are. Who are you going to choose?
I don't think I can explain it much better than this.
Gregrios wrote:A nuke has went off and you have an underground room where you have the essentials for living. You can choose one of two people to come in and live with you. One person is your best friend who you've known and trusted for your whole life while the other person is someone telling you all the things you want to hear but you have no idea what his true intentions are. Who are you going to choose?
A worthy bump.

are registered trademarks of Backglass Heavy Industries.ok, so as you see it, faith is necessary for going to heaven, accepting god and obeying his commands is not enough. (I'm not going into the whole love-thing just yet, I know there's that as well)Gregrios wrote:On the off chance that you guys arn't just being patronizing and really want to know, I'll explain.![]()
Free will is a filtering tool for determining the sincere from the insincere for acceptance into Heaven.
If God proved himself everyone would choose Heaven.
Therefore making it impossible to seperate the sincere from the insincere.
Beleiving in God on pure faith can only be posessed by the sincere.
....but choosing God out of proof is a decision made by the mind and not by faith.
The problem with proving himself to the world and letting everyone into Heaven is that by doing so he would be letting the insincere enter the kingdom of Heaven and letting all hell break loose within Heaven itself.
Let me put it to you this way:
A nuke has went off and you have an underground room where you have the essentials for living. You can choose one of two people to come in and live with you. One person is your best friend who you've known and trusted for your whole life while the other person is someone telling you all the things you want to hear but you have no idea what his true intentions are. Who are you going to choose?
I don't think I can explain it much better than this.
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
Therein lies the rub. The god these people think exists supposedly wants everyone to believe in him, love him and follow him, yet he/she/it is either unwilling or unable to show himself to the world, thereby instantly getting 100% buy-in. It's this whole "trickery" aspect that makes the house of cards fall apart. "You have to want it. I could show up and you would believe instantly, but that would be too easy."MeDeFe wrote:To be almost brutally honest, I don't even know what this faith is really supposed to be. To me it looks like something along the lines of "My parents have told me god exists and they would never lie to me, everyone at the church has told me god exists and they should know what they're talking about, everyone I know believes in god. God has to exist, why else would everyone believe in him?" If you were to substitute 'Australia' for 'god', and 'geography class' for 'church' it wouldn't sound bad at all, but god is so improbable judging from what we can observe and the stories about him are so full of contradictions that I think it's something of a miracle that people believe in god at all.
Does that make me insincere? I don't see how, it just makes me a person who doesn't accept everything I'm told without questioning it. (And supposedly god is responsible for me being that way as well) For all you know everyone would be sincere if god were to prove his existence. Right now this distinction between 'sincere' and 'insincere' seems to be one of "believe what you're told about god without questioning it" and "ask inconvenient questions about what you're told about god". And btw, isn't god supposedly omniscient? Wouldn't he be able to tell whether a person is sincere or not anyway?

are registered trademarks of Backglass Heavy Industries.Would you care to answer my post as well?Gregrios wrote:Everyone's welcome to their own opinion.
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
jonesthecurl wrote:by the way gregrios, I'm sure that you discovered before I just did that the max smilies per post is 40...
Heh. That's rather informative.jonesthecurl wrote:by the way gregrios, I'm sure that you discovered before I just did that the max smilies per post is 40...
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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Gregrios wrote:A worthy bump.Gregrios wrote:On the off chance that you guys arn't just being patronizing and really want to know, I'll explain.![]()
Free will is a filtering tool for determining the sincere from the insincere for acceptance into Heaven.
If God proved himself everyone would choose Heaven.
Therefore making it impossible to seperate the sincere from the insincere.
Beleiving in God on pure faith can only be posessed by the sincere.
....but choosing God out of proof is a decision made by the mind and not by faith.
The problem with proving himself to the world and letting everyone into Heaven is that by doing so he would be letting the insincere enter the kingdom of Heaven and letting all hell break loose within Heaven itself.
Let me put it to you this way:
A nuke has went off and you have an underground room where you have the essentials for living. You can choose one of two people to come in and live with you. One person is your best friend who you've known and trusted for your whole life while the other person is someone telling you all the things you want to hear but you have no idea what his true intentions are. Who are you going to choose?
I don't think I can explain it much better than this.

Have you ever heard of the covenant?heavycola wrote:Gregrios wrote:A worthy bump.Gregrios wrote:On the off chance that you guys arn't just being patronizing and really want to know, I'll explain.![]()
Free will is a filtering tool for determining the sincere from the insincere for acceptance into Heaven.
If God proved himself everyone would choose Heaven.
Therefore making it impossible to seperate the sincere from the insincere.
Beleiving in God on pure faith can only be posessed by the sincere.
....but choosing God out of proof is a decision made by the mind and not by faith.
The problem with proving himself to the world and letting everyone into Heaven is that by doing so he would be letting the insincere enter the kingdom of Heaven and letting all hell break loose within Heaven itself.
Let me put it to you this way:
A nuke has went off and you have an underground room where you have the essentials for living. You can choose one of two people to come in and live with you. One person is your best friend who you've known and trusted for your whole life while the other person is someone telling you all the things you want to hear but you have no idea what his true intentions are. Who are you going to choose?
I don't think I can explain it much better than this.
God is supposed to be omniscient. He would know if the other dude was being insincere.
Also, I'm guessing that his wish to get into a nuclear bunker is probably quite sincere, and I'm no skydaddy.
Look - think abotu what you said. God revealing himself to the world has nothing to do with his powers to detect insincerity.
