Don't take my word for it.....take theirs.

[jay_a2j]

I find the last 3 minutes of THIS CLIP to have some credibility.

Any chance of a response to my post abotu youtueb that isn't just a link to youtube?

What response are you looking for? Obviously there is a lot of misinformation on youtube, but there is a lot of good information on it too. Most of these video's can be "fact checked". But all I see from the youtube haters is.... "DISREGARD! It's a youtube clip". Now is that fair? For once, I would like to see a response to a youtube video with a LINK to the evidence that it is bs. That ever occur to you? Instead of just dismissing it because it is on a site you don't like.

[Dancing Mustard]

all I see from the youtube haters is.... "DISREGARD! It's a youtube clip"... Instead of just dismissing it because it is on a site you don't like.

Hang on, aren't you the guy who, on page one of this very thread, said:

ROFL! like Obama is going to tell you the truth!? DM you lose.


DM don't you have something to do?

mod edit: off topic flaming

Perhaps you need to start spending more time practising what you preach, and less time being a hypocrite on the internet.

[heavycola]

I find the last 3 minutes of THIS CLIP to have some credibility.

Any chance of a response to my post abotu youtueb that isn't just a link to youtube?

What response are you looking for? Obviously there is a lot of misinformation on youtube, but there is a lot of good information on it too. Most of these video's can be "fact checked". But all I see from the youtube haters is.... "DISREGARD! It's a youtube clip". Now is that fair? For once, I would like to see a response to a youtube video with a LINK to the evidence that it is bs. That ever occur to you? Instead of just dismissing it because it is on a site you don't like.

You missed my point, which is that youtube is a media outlet seen by millions of people each day, owned by a multinational corporation - and if the media is controlled by the mysterious elites, AS YOU KEEP SAYING, why would you trust the videos you see there? It's not as if youtube is slow in taking down videos for legal reasons.

[jay_a2j]

all I see from the youtube haters is.... "DISREGARD! It's a youtube clip"... Instead of just dismissing it because it is on a site you don't like.

Hang on, aren't you the guy who, on page one of this very thread, said:

ROFL! like Obama is going to tell you the truth!? DM you lose.


DM don't you have something to do?

mod edit: off topic flaming

Perhaps you need to start spending more time practising what you preach, and less time being a hypocrite on the internet.

Hello? I was talking about Obama NOT the validity of the video! Still lose my friend.


btw: anyone know what the "Mod edit" on that post said? I don't even remember, but it couldn't have been any worse that 95% of the stuff posted in these threads. (which is NOT edited btw)

[Dancing Mustard]

Hello? I was talking about Obama NOT the validity of the video! Still lose my friend.

Oh fucking hell, how hard is it to explain simple things to you?

The reason you find Obama uncredible is because you regard him as being controlled by the lizardmen you claim run America.
The reason you should find youtube uncredible is because it is run by the precise same people.

If we run with your original logic, then we would be forced to dismiss youtube as biased and unreliable. Not accepting Obama (on the grounds you propose) but accepting Youtube as instant gospel is logically inconsistant. Do you get this yet, or do I have to attach it to a crucifix and nail it through your skull?

Oh, and the bit that got edited was the part where you accused me of being a Lizardman or a Robot or both. Again.

[heavycola]

Oh, and the bit that got edited was the part where you accused me of being a Lizardman or a Robot or both. Again.

ZOMG teh lizardmen have got to CC too???

[jay_a2j]

Do you get this yet, or do I have to attach it to a crucifix and nail it through your skull?

Mod edit??????? I find this extremely offensive.


And no, I never called you a Lizardman or a Robot.

[suggs]

But isn't marvellous to have Jay back?

[Dancing Mustard]

Mod edit??????? I find this extremely offensive.

Behold as jay desperately twists and turns in a vain effort to dodge the real point of my post.

Quite the habit you're developing there old chap...

And no, I never called you a Lizardman or a Robot.

That's just what they want you to think.

[Juan_Bottom]

Well say what you want, but I can't let you all gang up on him, because I agree at least in part to what he is saying now.

[Juan_Bottom]

And again, I don't know why I am they only one saying this(JAY!) but google isn't running the government. They are activly fighting against it.

[suggs]

And again, I don't know why I am they only one saying this(JAY!) but google isn't running the government. They are activly fighting against it.

I don't know why you are saying anything at all.

[Juan_Bottom]

And again, I don't know why I am they only one saying this(JAY!) but google isn't running the government. They are activly fighting against it.

I don't know why you are saying anything at all.

I don't know why you post stuff like this. I'm from corn country and we just don't act this way. When did I wrong you?

[suggs]

Perhaps i was a tad harsh. I was judging you on the basis that you seem to be one of these conspiracy idiots, who more and more just make me angry. Angry at their disregard for the truth, angry at the way their mumbo jumbo turns any interesting debate into childrens hour.
Angry at the lack of compassion you have for your fellow man. G. W Bush et. al, whilst not my cup of tea politically are all decent, honourable human beings doing what they think is right for the country.
And of course, they have made some horrendous mistakes. But their just human beings, not lizard men or props for some undercover illuminatini nonsense.

But its the conspiracy theoriests fear mongering and LYING that gets to me. A lot of people, perhaps most people have tough enough lives, without being told stories about how the end of the world is coming etc.
Of course, I shouldn't get so worked up -most of the people on this forum I am sure are intelligent enough to laugh at the hate fuelled drivel you come out with.
But some of it may get through.
You only get one life, and we all have a responsibility, a duty to each other to try and make that life as free from fear as possible.

And you ain't helping one little bit.

[Juan_Bottom]

Perhaps i was a tad harsh. I was judging you on the basis that you seem to be one of these conspiracy idiots, who more and more just make me angry. Angry at their disregard for the truth, angry at the way their mumbo jumbo turns any interesting debate into childrens hour.
Angry at the lack of compassion you have for your fellow man. G. W Bush et. al, whilst not my cup of tea politically are all decent, honourable human beings doing what they think is right for the country.
And of course, they have made some horrendous mistakes. But their just human beings, not lizard men or props for some undercover illuminatini nonsense.

But its the conspiracy theoriests fear mongering and LYING that gets to me. A lot of people, perhaps most people have tough enough lives, without being told stories about how the end of the world is coming etc.
Of course, I shouldn't get so worked up -most of the people on this forum I am sure are intelligent enough to laugh at the hate fuelled drivel you come out with.
But some of it may get through.
You only get one life, and we all have a responsibility, a duty to each other to try and make that life as free from fear as possible.

And you ain't helping one little bit.

I don't have a clue about what any of this has to do with me. I have already stated publically what I do believe in(as far a conspiracies go). And nothing I have ever said has been hate-fueled. Ever. In fact I just called you on it. It is one thing to have a discussion, and quite another to degrade oneself with senseless insults. I think that you are just projecting your image of a conspiracy nut onto me.

And G. Bush is not doing what is best for his country. He is doing what is best for Mr. Bush. Surely you were being sarcastic?

[suggs]

I may have got you mixed up with some one else. In which case sincere apologies.
But if you believe that 9/11 was "an inside job" that the world capitalist leaders are just front men for some behind the scenes evil puppet masters, or that the government lies about everything, or that the media is being controlled by shadowy evil doers etc, then i don't apologise at all. If you believe any of the above, you ARE a conspiracy nut.

You have a very simplistic view of politicians. To an extent, of course Bush is looking out for himself -his place in the history books.
Politicians seek fame and glory,and above all power.
But if you believe that Bush doesn't have a very profound and deep love for his country, then you are, quite simply, out of your mind.
In fact, one could go further, and say this is part of his problem - his love for his country is so great that he thinks that it should utterly dominate world affairs.
But his foreign policy objectives are for another thread.
Love of power (altho necessary) is not sufficient to attain the Presidency - you have to believe in, and love, your country as well -else why not just become a CEO of a big bank -plenty of power there, you know.

[Juan_Bottom]

I may have got you mixed up with some one else. In which case sincere apologies.
But if you believe that 9/11 was "an inside job" that the world capitalist leaders are just front men for some behind the scenes evil puppet masters, or that the government lies about everything, or that the media is being controlled by shadowy evil doers etc, then i don't apologise at all. If you believe any of the above, you ARE a conspiracy nut.

You have a very simplistic view of politicians. To an extent, of course Bush is looking out for himself -his place in the history books.
Politicians seek fame and glory,and above all power.
But if you believe that Bush doesn't have a very profound and deep love for his country, then you are, quite simply, out of your mind.
In fact, one could go further, and say this is part of his problem - his love for his country is so great that he thinks that it should utterly dominate world affairs.
But his foreign policy objectives are for another thread.
Love of power (altho necessary) is not sufficient to attain the Presidency - you have to believe in, and love, your country as well -else why not just become a CEO of a big bank -plenty of power there, you know.

I do believe that the government Lies about 911. So do 54% of Americans. I also believe that the media here is strongly influeced to put the government in a good light. But no evil puppet masters. Thats silly...

And because I believe that 911 was orchestrated by the government, I do believe Bush only cares about himself. But It's not the only reason. And I don't think he cares about power, honestly. But I won't post my reasons unless you ask. I really don't hink you would appreciate me doing so otherwise right?

[suggs]

What do you mean 9/11 was "orchestrated by the government".
i don't quite understand, because it was "orchestrated" by Osma Bin Laden, and was a terrorist attack by Islamic extremists.
Please clarify.

[Juan_Bottom]

What do you mean 9/11 was "orchestrated by the government".
i don't quite understand, because it was "orchestrated" by Osma Bin Laden, and was a terrorist attack by Islamic extremists.
Please clarify.

I mean that the government was directly responsible for the whole thing. But I won't expect you to agree with me that our government was behind the whole thing. I don't think Osama had anything to do with it.
But you should concede at least,.. that they were criminaly neglagent with what info they had. That they knew about it, and did nothing to prevent it. Condelleza Rice admitted that she knew something was going to happen, but she didn't know what or where. Yet she still called the mayor of San Francisco on Sept. 11 and told him not to get on any planes.

Will you at least concede to that?

[suggs]

It seems likely that someone, or some agency, blundered.
Although, even then, if Rice knew, she would have got Bush to evacuate New York, so I don't really believe it.
I can believe that he government didn't take enough notice of CIA briefings (although, again, thats not definite).

But the worst you can say is that the government made a mistake. They do that -'cos there made up of individual human beings, and we're all fallible.

Thats a world away from saying they wanted it to happen and caused it to happen.

Frankly, I still think that it was one of those lucky/unlucky freaks if history, one of those great unforeseen, catacylismic events that sometimes happen in human affairs.
Eg the Archduke getting shot in 1914, the Battle of Adrianople in 378, The American and French Revolutions, The Islamic Conquests of the 7th century etc
-simply unpredicatble, and epoch changing. And all, in their own ways, tragedies.

[muy_thaiguy]

Hey, at least in the American Revolution, we didn't go around guillotining all the nay-sayers.

[Zaqq]

What do you mean 9/11 was "orchestrated by the government".
i don't quite understand, because it was "orchestrated" by Osma Bin Laden, and was a terrorist attack by Islamic extremists.
Please clarify.

I mean that the government was directly responsible for the whole thing. But I won't expect you to agree with me that our government was behind the whole thing. I don't think Osama had anything to do with it.
But you should concede at least,.. that they were criminaly neglagent with what info they had. That they knew about it, and did nothing to prevent it. Condelleza Rice admitted that she knew something was going to happen, but she didn't know what or where. Yet she still called the mayor of San Francisco on Sept. 11 and told him not to get on any planes.

Will you at least concede to that?

Sure, but wasn't Colin Powell Sec. of State for 9/11?

[Juan_Bottom]

What do you mean 9/11 was "orchestrated by the government".
i don't quite understand, because it was "orchestrated" by Osma Bin Laden, and was a terrorist attack by Islamic extremists.
Please clarify.

I mean that the government was directly responsible for the whole thing. But I won't expect you to agree with me that our government was behind the whole thing. I don't think Osama had anything to do with it.
But you should concede at least,.. that they were criminaly neglagent with what info they had. That they knew about it, and did nothing to prevent it. Condelleza Rice admitted that she knew something was going to happen, but she didn't know what or where. Yet she still called the mayor of San Francisco on Sept. 11 and told him not to get on any planes.

Will you at least concede to that?

Sure, but wasn't Colin Powell Sec. of State for 9/11?

I don't understand but yeah........ I am not saying that he was in the know, but Miss Rice sure was.....

[jay_a2j]

What do you mean 9/11 was "orchestrated by the government".
i don't quite understand, because it was "orchestrated" by Osma Bin Laden, and was a terrorist attack by Islamic extremists.
Please clarify.

ROFL! Yep, that's what the government wants you to believe! And I believed it too for 6 long years. I'm glad I woke up to see what is really going on, even if they can't be stopped, I'll feel vindicated when America becomes "the land of the elitist slaves".

[Frigidus]

What do you mean 9/11 was "orchestrated by the government".
i don't quite understand, because it was "orchestrated" by Osma Bin Laden, and was a terrorist attack by Islamic extremists.
Please clarify.

ROFL! Yep, that's what the government wants you to believe! And I believed it too for 6 long years. I'm glad I woke up to see what is really going on, even if they can't be stopped, I'll feel vindicated when America becomes "the land of the elitist slaves".

Indeed, I'm especially looking forward to the Big Brother video tapes in my room. At least we won't have to worry about immigration when we merge with Mexico! Plus Jeebus will come back, and he was really cool because he doesn't afraid of anything.