America didn't land on the moon

[jonesthecurl]

Suggs - All I want is some photographic proof (from a satellite or hubble) of the stuff they left behind. It's going to be fairly large. Then I'll shut up.

And all I want is you to tell me where you found this info of what they supposedly 'left behind.' A CREDIBLE source, please...

Look, I find it incredible that anyone can give a moments credence to the idea that the moon landings didn't happen...

But do you really believe they didn't leave anything behind? The Lunar Excuraion Module came in two parts: When they returned, they left behind the bit with the landing legs and the tanks which had contained the fuel they landed with. They left litter, body wastes, buggies, the plaque that says "we came in peace for all mankind", equipment which radioed back information for a considerable time after they left, etc. Not to mention the infamous flag.Go look it up.

Don't sidetrack this thread with a whole NEW source of nonsense, PLEASE.

I am not sidetracking it, because this is a major point of contention... The only two things I know of that were left behind was the flag and the rover... ONE rover, which had everything on it... They didn't leave litter and body wastes on the moon. Those things are commonly ejected when reentering the atmosphere and burn up.

There were not multiple 'buggies.' there was one... ONE... They did not leave ANY part of the lunar module. It can obviously be seen in pictures from when the craft lifted off the surface of the moon.

I don't know where you get your info, but it is wrong... Sounds to me like YOU are sidetracking the convo...

go to lpi.usra.edu

In the bit about the Apollo 11 mision it names three experiments left on the surface: the Laser Ranging Retroreflector (which I have previously referred to more colloquially as the "radar corner", The Passive Seismic Experiment, and the Lunar Dust Detector.

and I quote from the end portion of that part of the site:
"This is a close-up view of the plaque that the Apollo 11 astronauts left on the moon...attached to the ladder on the landing gear strut on the descent stage of the Apollo 11 LM".

As I said before, the Landing Module was left behind whgen the remaining bit of the LEM returned.

By the way, the moon does not have an atmosphere.

[Anarkistsdream]

By the way, the moon does not have an atmosphere.

Ya think?

I meant the Earths atmosphere.

[firth4eva]

Yes.

Surely NASA saying it is true then does not prove it either way.

[Anarkistsdream]

Yes.

Surely NASA saying it is true then does not prove it either way.

NASA is not the only one who says it is true...

Completely independent research companies, experts in the field, and others who would benefit from the scientific knowledge discovered all also believe. These independent scientists were allowed to test the moon rocks, geologists who have nothing at all to do with the government.

As it was already said in the thread, if there was ANY chance that it had been a hoax, it would have been yelled out at the top of lungs everywhere. The Soviets would have been in an uproar trying to prove we didn't do it. So would the Chinese and others.

Also, in this day and age, where we are at war with a few and in the poor graces of many, if there were actual EDUCATED people believing it to be a hoax, then they would have true proof.

As it is, it is a bunch of amateurs twisting things the way they want them to look.

[jonesthecurl]

By the way, the moon does not have an atmosphere.

Ya think?

I meant the Earths atmosphere.

Sorry: it was player who claimed stuff had burned up in the moon's atmosphere.
But I doubt they bundled all their crap up and brought it home. The inside of spaceshp is smelly enough to begin with. However I may be wrong on this one.

[firth4eva]

Quite simply I believe that the Soviets did not know. The theory that it was a conspiracy only came out over 2 decades later.

[Anarkistsdream]

Quite simply I believe that the Soviets did not know. The theory that it was a conspiracy only came out over 2 decades later.

The theory was only widely known, is what you need to say.

I promise, if the Soviets ever had spies doing anything, it was trying to learn about our space program, and I'm sure the US did the same to them... If it had been a hoax, it would have leaked to the KGB or some other group or organization that would have made it widely known...

[firth4eva]

I know but what if it was TOP SECRET. And I mean really top secret. No doubt the Russians still have loads of things that nobody have ever discovered that would most probably blow our minds with whatever they do.

[Anarkistsdream]

I know but what if it was TOP SECRET. And I mean really top secret. No doubt the Russians still have loads of things that nobody have ever discovered that would most probably blow our minds with whatever they do.

With that many people needed for ONE project, I doubt it would have stayed secret.

Think about it... Everybody at NASA would have had to be in on it... Radio men, the astronauts, people that put together the 'set,' flight coordinators, radar men that track the shuttle. That is as believable as thinking 9/11 was an inside job...

[jonesthecurl]

or that aliens built the pyramids

[Anarkistsdream]

or that aliens built the pyramids

HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!

[firth4eva]

I know but what if it was TOP SECRET. And I mean really top secret. No doubt the Russians still have loads of things that nobody have ever discovered that would most probably blow our minds with whatever they do.

With that many people needed for ONE project, I doubt it would have stayed secret.

Think about it... Everybody at NASA would have had to be in on it... Radio men, the astronauts, people that put together the 'set,' flight coordinators, radar men that track the shuttle. That is as believable as thinking 9/11 was an inside job...

AD, you have converted me to believing the truth.

9/11 really was an inside job. Who'd a thunk it.

And aliens too!!!!

[Anarkistsdream]

I know but what if it was TOP SECRET. And I mean really top secret. No doubt the Russians still have loads of things that nobody have ever discovered that would most probably blow our minds with whatever they do.

With that many people needed for ONE project, I doubt it would have stayed secret.

Think about it... Everybody at NASA would have had to be in on it... Radio men, the astronauts, people that put together the 'set,' flight coordinators, radar men that track the shuttle. That is as believable as thinking 9/11 was an inside job...

AD, you have converted me to believing the truth.

9/11 really was an inside job. Who'd a thunk it.

And aliens too!!!!

Smartass...

Or is that dumbass?

[Pedronicus]

Okay then, this is for all the idiots in this thread that haven't got enough brain power the work out that the heavy stuff is left behind on the surface.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/11jul_lroc.htm

Now if the people that thought that NASA was going to bring back moon buggies etc, will you at least now admit that if nothing else - this thread has educted you in a new understanding of space engineering being all down to the last ounce of weight to calculate fuel required for the trip.
6 landers and 3 moon buggies are on the moons surface.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7091082/
The above link is about a european mission from 2005 - but still no photos of the landing sites.

I never doubted the moon landings, until recently. This is based on a lack of photographic proof that isn't too hard to achieve. As time goes on and no photos surface in the media, my own personal doubts surrounding the landings increases.

I know that there have been close on to 1000 lbs of moon rocks brough back from the moon and these moon rocks have been validated by thousands of experts because of their unique properties (micro craters caused by miniscule particles hitting rocks at 50,000 mph not protected by an lunar atmosphere)
But an unmanned lander that collects rocks is a lot less risky than 2 astronauts.

[suggs]

You're a brainless buffoon.

[Pedronicus]

You're a brainless buffoon.

lol
At least I've got more grey matter than some of the people who honestly thought that at the end of a moon mission circa 1971, the astronauts would open up the trunk of the lander - heave the moon buggy into the trunk and set off for home.

[suggs]

Until you admit that Buzz and Neil were big time winners, from planet Big Win landing on Little Win, in 196Win, you will remain a brainless, blubbering buffoon.

[Snorri1234]

- but still no photos of the landing sites.

Now I may be misinformed, but isn't the moon rather big?

[suggs]

So NASA would have us believe.

[cmckinney]

Okay then, this is for all the idiots in this thread that haven't got enough brain power the work out that the heavy stuff is left behind on the surface.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/11jul_lroc.htm

Now if the people that thought that NASA was going to bring back moon buggies etc, will you at least now admit that if nothing else - this thread has educted you in a new understanding of space engineering being all down to the last ounce of weight to calculate fuel required for the trip.
6 landers and 3 moon buggies are on the moons surface.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7091082/
The above link is about a european mission from 2005 - but still no photos of the landing sites.

I never doubted the moon landings, until recently. This is based on a lack of photographic proof that isn't too hard to achieve. As time goes on and no photos surface in the media, my own personal doubts surrounding the landings increases.

I know that there have been close on to 1000 lbs of moon rocks brough back from the moon and these moon rocks have been validated by thousands of experts because of their unique properties (micro craters caused by miniscule particles hitting rocks at 50,000 mph not protected by an lunar atmosphere)
But an unmanned lander that collects rocks is a lot less risky than 2 astronauts.

Yes yes...you seem to be completely and maniacally obsessed with this one piece of "evidence" All your doing is just ignoring all the other evidence against your case, you retarded dumb-ass conspiracy theory nut-job.

[jonesthecurl]

Okay then, this is for all the idiots in this thread that haven't got enough brain power the work out that the heavy stuff is left behind on the surface.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/11jul_lroc.htm

Now if the people that thought that NASA was going to bring back moon buggies etc, will you at least now admit that if nothing else - this thread has educted you in a new understanding of space engineering being all down to the last ounce of weight to calculate fuel required for the trip.
6 landers and 3 moon buggies are on the moons surface.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7091082/
The above link is about a european mission from 2005 - but still no photos of the landing sites.

I never doubted the moon landings, until recently. This is based on a lack of photographic proof that isn't too hard to achieve. As time goes on and no photos surface in the media, my own personal doubts surrounding the landings increases.

I know that there have been close on to 1000 lbs of moon rocks brough back from the moon and these moon rocks have been validated by thousands of experts because of their unique properties (micro craters caused by miniscule particles hitting rocks at 50,000 mph not protected by an lunar atmosphere)
But an unmanned lander that collects rocks is a lot less risky than 2 astronauts.

It is very easy to find the exact location of the "supposed" stuff left behind, NASA will tell you for free, and the information is easily obtained.

Now, if you want more photogtaphic proff than that which was taken during the missions, fund your own multi-millioin dollar project to go take a look.

Alternatively, you can follow the cheaper alternative of building yourslef a radar with sufficient range, and bounding a signal off the radar corner, as NASA have repeatedly done over the last few decades.

Meanwhile, cash-strapped NASA will continue breaking new ground and disovering new stuff, adding to the sum total of knowledge instead of going back to their own sites to convince conspiracy nuts.

And, so far, no unmanned missions have returned from the surface of another celestial object with specimens, cos that's hard to do. If they coulda done it, they wouldsa, to give themselves more information before risking personnel.

[jonesthecurl]

But a big thank you Petronicus for finding the footage of the LEM returning without the Landing Module, as photographed from the surface of the moon. Anyone ion any doubtr as to this should look at his first link. Awesome. (and quite real)

[jonesthecurl]

BTW, I've just sent my name to the moon.
I've registered with the Lunar Reconnaisance Orbiter - very exciting : go and google for how and what.

[Anarkistsdream]

BTW, I've just sent my name to the moon.
I've registered with the Lunar Reconnaisance Orbiter - very exciting : go and google for how and what.

You must be bored...

[tzor]

The above link is about a european mission from 2005 - but still no photos of the landing sites.

That mission was lauched in 2003. It wasn't designed to look for the old sites, and the main equipment was X-ray not visual cameras so it would be lucky at best if it got good pictures. It crashed into the moon in 2006.

European Probe Smashes Into Moon After Successful Mission

Mind you close up is a relative word. SMART-1 close-up on Zucchius crater's central peaks

AMIE obtained this image on 14 January 2006 from a distance of about 753 kilometres from the surface, with a ground resolution of 68 metres per pixel.

So riddle me this. How are you going to spot a 9 meter object (the landing/launching base of the module) when the resolution is 68 meters to the pixel?