Nanofer & Ala walked into a hornets nest! [Busted +6]

[cisco2001]

Accused:

[*][player]nanofer[/player]
[*][player]ala[/player]




The accused are suspected of:
[list]
[*]Being Multis



Game number(s):
[list]

[*]Game 2433917
And a wide variety of other games as well


Comments:
I'm referring to these two players and their aliases as the "Mexican Connection." These two idiots recently joined a game that I set up. They stick out like sore thumbs as every player except for them is a major and a premium account. I noticed them immediately and research revealed that they have played in many games together along with a wide assortment of other characters they have created. They are all from Mexico. They all take their turns back to back. They all miss turns at the same time and, of course, rarely attack each other. Also, they are all terrible players. They are so bad that 2 or 3 of them can't beat an average player.

I can't help but laugh at how stupid they were to join a game of high ranked players that post on a regular basis in this forum. Talk about walking into the lion's den.

Below is a list of the "Mexican Connection" members. There are probable a few more that I have not noticed.

[player]nanofer[/player]
[player]ala[/player]
[player]kata[/player]
[player]yo robot[/player]
[player]don gustavo[/player]
[player]terre[/player]
[player]dvs[/player]
[player]kity[/player]
[player]power of knight[/player]

Please investigate these crooks and punish them to the full extent of the law! Thanks and happy hunting.

Cisco2001

[erazor]

I have to say that they / he are not very smart.
Multi accounts for SURE

[Lexitonia5]

So, this is interesting. You believe these two are a multi because they joined your game together even though they are ranked lower. So far as I can see in the rules, that may not be the brightest decision but its not grounds for breaking any rules.

You do have a high opinion of yourself, don't you? I hope you take everything in life as seriously as you do this game.

These players played in five games together:
I took the liberty of providing the game numbers since you did not.

1017224
1043299
2311578
2344675
2433917

Quoted from your post: "They are all from Mexico. They all take their turns back to back. They all miss turns at the same time and, of course, rarely attack each other. Also, they are all terrible players. They are so bad that 2 or 3 of them can't beat an average player."

The factual points you outlined above are little off. True they are both from Mexico and they did play back to back. However, I read through the logs from these games and neither player missed a turn. In addition, they did attack each other, and not just at the end of the game either. Besides, taking your turns within minutes of each is not grounds for acusing someoneof cheating. They could be friends, live in the same household, whatever. Its not a sign of "cheating" but of good strategy.

You need to review your facts before you wrongly accuse people of cheating. And I think you owe them an apology. You know what they say. It takes a big man to say they're sorry.

Now if the facts I have indicated above are not accurate and I missed something, please include those facts in your post.

[cisco2001]

I apologize for Lexi's post as she is still a little sore from my commentary in another thread. I can't say I blame her as she ended up looking a little foolish.

However, she does have some legitimate questions.

These 7-8 personalities that I listed in my original posts ALL take sequential turns in their games. Please keep in mind that there are many combinations of the multis in different games. Regardless, the odds of them "randomly" taking sequential turns are mathematically astronomical. Of course it's possible, as Lexi pointed out, that they all live in the same home and use the same computer. As per the rules, it's illegal unless it's made public via an announcement in the forum. I doubt that there are 7 CC players under one roof.

Please keep in mind that the players I listed in my game are only two of a group of, at least , 8 multis that I have found; so far.

Any player, with experience in this forum can easily spot multis that are this blatant.

This promises to be an entertaining process.

Cisco2001

[Soloman]

I apologize for Lexi's post as she is still a little sore from my commentary in another thread. I can't say I blame her as she ended up looking a little foolish.

However, she does have some legitimate questions.

These 7-8 personalities that I listed in my original posts ALL take sequential turns in their games. Please keep in mind that there are many combinations of the multis in different games. Regardless, the odds of them "randomly" taking sequential turns are mathematically astronomical. Of course it's possible, as Lexi pointed out, that they all live in the same home and use the same computer. As per the rules, it's illegal unless it's made public via an announcement in the forum. I doubt that there are 7 CC players under one roof.

Please keep in mind that the players I listed in my game are only two of a group of, at least , 8 multis that I have found; so far.

Any player, with experience in this forum can easily spot multis that are this blatant.

This promises to be an entertaining process.

Cisco2001

As much as Cisco and I deisagree on other thread I must agree with his post this time looks realy suspicious

[cisco2001]

Here is another one. This one has the highest rank so he/ she may be the original "cell."

[player]The Police[/player]

Plays with the previously players, is from Mexico, takes back to back turns with the previously mentioned players, etc.

I'll tell you what, it's like uncovering a nest of rats.

[Lexitonia5]

Do you have something against Mexicans? I noticed your text is rather derogatory in nature when speaking of the native origin of these players.

I don't apologize for my post because anyone who looks at those games will see that I have a valid point.

[cisco2001]

No. I only have something against multis...of any nationality.

Quote from Lexi: "I don't apologize for my post because anyone who looks at those games will see that I have a valid point."

Lets see what the hunters say.

[bigdaddyslim2]

well i dont think he is being racist at all to mexicans maybe to multiple users but ain't we all, and it sounds like your still holding a grudge for whatever he may have said to you so its hard to take your opions or statements serious, and have you check the dates the accounts where created allot of time multi's sign up there guys all in the same day or close to it

[bigdaddyslim2]

well i checked the join dates and this is what i have
kity aug.14, 2007 1:10 pm
terre aug. 14, 2007 2:31 pm
kata aug. 14, 2007 2:43 pm
power of knight aug. 27 11;28 am
dvs oct. 11, 2007 5:11pm
don gustavo apr. 2, 2008
yo robot sep. 2, 2007 8;52pm
ala oct. 12, 2007 4:12pm
nanofer oct. 1, 2007 5:54pm

i think it is very suspicious that kitty, terre, and kata all joined at the same time and ala and dvs joined a day apart, they all get on about the same time every day it looks like hummmm... and i bet they all have the same ip address, so i think atleast a few of these ppl are muli's and if so they are some chumps that should be banded, GOOD FIND

[erazor]

MULTI ACCOUNTS FOR SURE, NO DOUBTS ABOUT IT

[anibus]

This is the third time that these guys have been put up on the block.

Last one I did w/ ala and kity apparently didn't get addressed and if it did, nothing got done.

Hopefully this time will do the trick.

[cisco2001]

This is the third time that these guys have been put up on the block.

Last one I did w/ ala and kity apparently didn't get addressed and if it did, nothing got done.

Hopefully this time will do the trick.

Any idea why they were not busted? Maybe they fell through the cracks along with a bunch of other cheaters.

[bigdaddyslim2]

This is the third time that these guys have been put up on the block.

Last one I did w/ ala and kity apparently didn't get addressed and if it did, nothing got done.

Hopefully this time will do the trick.

Any idea why they were not busted? Maybe they fell through the cracks along with a bunch of other cheaters.

good question, To me it is so obvious, but they may have checked out, one of the moderaters told me they do check the ip address on people who are accused of being multi's, and if they are different ip address well we know they are not multi's, but i really dought it, but i can say this (not trying to be racist) i live in texas and i know allot of mexicans and they do have large family's that tend to live together in one house hold, so it may be possible that they are all related or friends, but i realy dought that, becouse you think they be on at all times of day, but this seams to be one guy thats on around the same time. maybe after he gets of work?

[cisco2001]

It looks like the ring leader of The Mexican Connection is [player]The Police[/player].
He has the highest rank and had been in many games with the afore mentioned players. There are AT LEAST 8 multis. I think that there are probably more. Based on Bigdaddy's research, it looks like he created them as he needed more players. When you look at The Police's games with these other players, all of the turns are back to back. There is no way that these are all individual players taking turns on the same computer. These guys are taking turns every 45 seconds. It takes longer than that to just to get in and out of a chair.

Whoever created all of these personalities has been very busy. I've sent a few of them PM's and have had no response. That's a pretty good indicator that something is fishy.

[anibus]

No idea why they fell thru the cracks if they did.

I bumped the thread that I started 2x w/ no response from the hunters, at least in thread.

[cisco2001]

Maybe with your thread and this one; the hunetrs will pay attention enough to bust these cheaters.

[Lexitonia5]

Did you all think that maybe they haven't been 'busted" because someone looked into it and exonerated them?

And BigDaddySlim, go read the string. I accused two players of similar questionalbe activity involving similar evidence like the short amount of time the two players took between turns and I was told by Cisco2001 that such activity did not represent cheating but good strategy. Not so good in my game however, because my team won. His evidence is slim wherein the original two players are concerned. However, before all is said and done, perhaps he'll have the whole Mexican population banned from the site.

Cisco2001, I am not bitter at all for you commenting on my string. However, if I were you, I wouldn't spend alot of time hopping from thread to thread defending one set of players and then in the very next second accusing other players when the facts are so similar in nature. In this case, the other players happen to be Mexican as you pointed out several times. With all the anti-Mexican sentiment in this country (USA) of late, it wouldn't suprise to find someone who would be discriminatory against Mexicans.

But hurray, you have a few other players on your side it seems. Good for you.

[cisco2001]

I appreciate your concern and I assure you that this is not an anti-Mexican thread. The players are all registered to a Mexican IP address. If we were talking about players from England; would it be offensive to refer to them as the British connection? I think not. You appear to think that the word Mexican is derogatory. In fact, it is a word used to describe people from Mexico. You keep harping on the Mexican thing, the hang up is with you and not anyone else. If you have a problem with Mexicans then that is your issue.

Furthermore, your accusation was that two players had participated in over a hundred games together and were taking back to back turns. In your original post you did not mention that they were TEAM games. You acknowledged that AND withdrew your accusation after I pointed that out to you. In this case, we're talking about 8 (EIGHT) players taking back to back turns in SEQUENTIAL individual games. If you do not see a difference between the two then your anger is clouding your thinking.

As to them not being formally busted; it happens pretty commonly that cheaters get away as the moderators have a lot of threads to investigate. It does not help when people contribute to the backlog by making bogus or retaliatory accusations. Hint hint.

I have high hopes that the moderators will look into this as it has generated so much interest. In no small part due to your contributions. Hopefully, this has settled your concerns and we can move forward towards working on the solution and not becoming part of the problem.

[bigdaddyslim2]

Isnt the whole reason for having these threads is so we can communicate and warn each other of people cheating or using unsportsmanlike conduct . There have been allot of people busted by using this forum and some wrongly accused , but no matter what its not going to change the fact that people are selfish and will do anything to win, even if its by making multiple accounts. I'm not sure all these people are involved but its hard to ignore the evidence. Really how often does 3 people from the same country (that made there accounts hours apart) end up on the same board? Even if they are friends it was wrong for them to join a game unannounced that they knew each other and play other people. Becouse I do feel friends would be less likely to attack each other than they would a stranger.

I also cruise the forums so I can be on the look out as well for people who cheat. I just found out people can break the cant start a round if they finished the last round on freestyle. All they have to do is start a round then play and let the hour run out, then they can play the very next round even after they ended a round, and that is really cheating there. Becouse we know that they cant play unless another player started their turn or half the round passes.

And really Lexi, Why are you so stuck on this Mexican thing? I never thought it was even close to racist and having many Mexican friends or descendants of Mexico, if thats better for you. I would have been the first to protest. If you did complain about partners playing to many doubles games, well I can say that was a foolish accusation . Becouse I use to play with this one girl all the time as my partner. I always try to be non-bias (in which I really am in this case) and listen to all sides of the story. As I stated earlier that yea they may live in the same house hell they may not even know each other, but one thing is for sure is that only they really know the truth and the best we can hope for is that the hunters find out that they do indeed have the same ip address and if that is the case then if they ain't multi's they are unannounced friends/family and that is wrong in itself in my opion
Does this world reaLly need more cheaters. (LIKE GEORGE W. BUSH ) CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG. HOOK'EM HORNS. HEY CISCO2001, What part of texas are you from? I live close to austin. I still think this was a good find

[erazor]

MULTIS FOR SURE, I STICK WITH YOU GUYS

[cisco2001]

I like to cruise this forum simply because it's interesting to read. It's amazing to me how far some players will go to win. Normally, players will create another identity and sometimes even two. However, to create 8 players just to win more games is way over the top and a slap in the face to the moderators of this site.

It's a blatant disregard of the rules from players that have no respect for this game or the people that volunteer their time to provide a fair and enjoyable experience for the participants. I don't know their/ his/ or her motivation for having so many multis. Regardless, it's against the rules and needs to be stopped.

It's unfortunate that personal grudges are introduced into these threads. In this case, I'm referring to Lexi that can't seem to get past her issue with; me from a previous thread. Instead of participating in the pursuit of stopping the cheaters, she is trying to derail it for personal reasons. If it helps, I'd like to apologize to Lexi. Lets get past the other issue and move forward with getting rid of these cheats.

*Bigdaddy! I live in S.A. just 71 miles from Austin. I went to school in Austin and lived there for a couple of years after I graduated. I love it there and, fortunately, I get up there pretty often. As you can tell from my avatar, I bleed orange!Anyhow, it's always good to run into another TX friend.

Thanks for all the help and support from everyone.I can't wait to pin the Mexican/ Latino/ Hispanic connection to the wall.

[RobinJ]

I got support for cisco here. He alerted me in a game I'm playing Game 2382435 and I have to say it looks pretty suspicious. Luckily for me, The Police is on my team and we are cruising to victory. Every time he and don gustavo take back to back turns - within a minute. Curiously don gustavo appears not to be throwing the game - its a strange one that badly needs checking out.

Also just noticed the other two in the other team are also on the cheat list - I really don't know what to make of it (kata and power of knight)

[Fireside Poet]

I am checking this one out - it is a tangled web for sure and going to take me some time...

[bigdaddyslim2]

I am checking this one out - it is a tangled web for sure and going to take me some time...

Well I would bet my cookies that these are multi's for sure. After further review I am sure there are more than what is listed. I think you should go through all his games and check all the freemiums out, I see allot of good players were scammed out of wins, If possible i think that all those games should be forfeited and the points returned to the players. That is the right thing to do. But I know if there are cheaters fireside poet will find out. He is very good at this. And thanks for looking into it.