Vatican Increases Number Of Mortal Sins

[Napoleon Ier]

So we all agree then: God doesn't exist, and the Pope is a homo

Well, your magic circus of lobotomized clowns seems to agree on that, yes, but I'm not entirely sure I'd want to align myself in the same category as bedumb1 and snorrarse to be perfectly honest. Still, it's a free country, I guess...

[Snorri1234]

So we all agree then: God doesn't exist, and the Pope is a homo

Well, your magic circus of lobotomized clowns seems to agree on that, yes, but I'm not entirely sure I'd want to align myself in the same category as bedumb1 and snorrarse to be perfectly honest. Still, it's a free country, I guess...

Shouldn't you be pointing out where I ever said catholic priests were immediately pedophiles?

[The Weird One]

Well then they can anally f*ck themselves with baseball bats.

I thought that they already did this on a daily basis.

[Napoleon Ier]

Well then they can anally f*ck themselves with baseball bats.

I thought that they already did this on a daily basis.

Some of us choose to skip that particular part so integral to your morning routine.

[heavycola]

So we all agree then: God doesn't exist, and the Pope is a homo

Well, your magic circus of lobotomized clowns seems to agree on that, yes, but I'm not entirely sure I'd want to align myself in the same category as bedumb1 and snorrarse to be perfectly honest. Still, it's a free country, I guess...

The Pope is a virgin, and likes to wear dresses, but that doesn't make him a homo. No more than a celibate lifestyle that gives you a position of trust and authority over young boys, some of whom are particularly vulnerable, makes the priesthood a good career choice for nonces.
Actually you can't blame the Catholic church for that, but you sure as hell can blame them for covering so much of it up.


EDIT:
from the Guardian, May 2006:

'Despite the US Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some 5,000 abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of cooperation from the church. In California, for example, the archdiocese has sought to block the disclosure of confidential counselling records on two priests saying it violates their First Amendment right on religious protection; in other sensitive cases, the Vatican has simply refused to accept the jurisdiction of the US courts.'

Nappy, I am not suggesting that all priests are pederasts, nor that there are thousands of priests all over the world who do good work. I am merley pointing out that this IS a serious issue, not a a myth invented by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures that pervert public opinion.

[Guiscard]

The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

Such sheer bloody ignorance transcends the realm of the simply un-fucking-believable. Of course it's a mortal sin, you complete and utter, fucking mongoloid.

Did someone miss the point by a mile or two?

You see, the last time someone mentioned Priests and child abuse, you decreed that 'paedophile priests [are] in any case a myth invented by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures that pervert public opinion'. Now, in my mind that qualifies someone who was quite obviously inferring that Priests are sometimes found to be paedophiles, and that perhaps that is ignored by the Church on some occasions (tip - he was using a thing called sarcasm) as suffering from the aforementioned malaise.

[comic boy]

The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

Such sheer bloody ignorance transcends the realm of the simply un-fucking-believable. Of course it's a mortal sin, you complete and utter, fucking mongoloid.

Snorrarse, I'm also waiting on all that evidence you were gonna find me saying how being a Catholic priest automatically makes you pedophile?

...What's that you say? There is none?

So where do all these baseless allegations that come from?

The fantasies of clowns like you and Guiscard? But I thought you only accepted hard, concrete, a posteriori data? Oh noes snorrarse! You just became...dare I say it, the b word!

Nobody has ever said that being a priest automatically makes you anything so please stop being dramatic and making things up. What you seem incapable of grasping is that there was a major scandal involving the priesthood and the issue most certainly has not gone away.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 142511.ece

I look forward to you now denouncing the Pope in an abusive fashion , as this appears to be your way of conducting debate with those who disagree with you.

[Napoleon Ier]

The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

Such sheer bloody ignorance transcends the realm of the simply un-fucking-believable. Of course it's a mortal sin, you complete and utter, fucking mongoloid.

Snorrarse, I'm also waiting on all that evidence you were gonna find me saying how being a Catholic priest automatically makes you pedophile?

...What's that you say? There is none?

So where do all these baseless allegations that come from?

The fantasies of clowns like you and Guiscard? But I thought you only accepted hard, concrete, a posteriori data? Oh noes snorrarse! You just became...dare I say it, the b word!

Nobody has ever said that being a priest automatically makes you anything so please stop being dramatic and making things up. What you seem incapable of grasping is that there was a major scandal involving the priesthood and the issue most certainly has not gone away.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 142511.ece

I look forward to you now denouncing the Pope in an abusive fashion , as this appears to be your way of conducting debate with those who disagree with you.

And what you seem incapable of grasping is that Holy Orders and paedophilia are not positively correlated, and hence anyone stating that Catholicism is in the wrong due to "paedo-priests" is clearly a complete ignoramus. And quite frankly, you've made some outrageous and offensive comments about Catholicism and priests, and then had the cheek to threaten you'd report me to the mods for insulting you when I showed you up for being the hypocrtical, sycophantic, snivelling, little runt you are. So I think I'm entirely justified in being "dramatic" in my defense of my Faith, actually.

[wicked]

Guys be careful not to cross the line into flaming or religion-bashing here or I'll get the nuns to whack you across the hands (like they did me when I was a kid!).

[comic boy]

It really is quite sad that your only forms of response appear to be abuse and ,quite frankly , downright lies. You make all sorts of assertions yet never manage to back them up when challenged, you need to learn some control.

[heavycola]

It really is quite sad that your only forms of response appear to be abuse and ,quite frankly , downright lies. You make all sorts of assertions yet never manage to back them up when challenged, you need to learn some control.

yeah wicked. Sort it out.

[Guiscard]

The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

Such sheer bloody ignorance transcends the realm of the simply un-fucking-believable. Of course it's a mortal sin, you complete and utter, fucking mongoloid.

Snorrarse, I'm also waiting on all that evidence you were gonna find me saying how being a Catholic priest automatically makes you pedophile?

...What's that you say? There is none?

So where do all these baseless allegations that come from?

The fantasies of clowns like you and Guiscard? But I thought you only accepted hard, concrete, a posteriori data? Oh noes snorrarse! You just became...dare I say it, the b word!

Nobody has ever said that being a priest automatically makes you anything so please stop being dramatic and making things up. What you seem incapable of grasping is that there was a major scandal involving the priesthood and the issue most certainly has not gone away.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 142511.ece

I look forward to you now denouncing the Pope in an abusive fashion , as this appears to be your way of conducting debate with those who disagree with you.

And what you seem incapable of grasping is that Holy Orders and paedophilia are not positively correlated, and hence anyone stating that Catholicism is in the wrong due to "paedo-priests" is clearly a complete ignoramus. And quite frankly, you've made some outrageous and offensive comments about Catholicism and priests, and then had the cheek to threaten you'd report me to the mods for insulting you when I showed you up for being the hypocrtical, sycophantic, snivelling, little runt you are. So I think I'm entirely justified in being "dramatic" in my defense of my Faith, actually.

Nappy... Has anyone at any point given a positive correlation? I'd like to see the quote which has led you to think that. What people have said is that they are concerned about the scale of the Church covering up paedophilia, as Heavycola provided a link for. Paedophilia is obviously a problem within the Church. They've paid out an estimated $2bn in compensation to victims, the Pope has asked clergy to pray in perpetuity to cleanse the Church of child abuse... At what point were people implying the Catholicisim itself is wrong? Flame everyone all you want, but all you're doing is showing yourself up as someone unwilling to debate the issue properly. And when it's a problem with your own religion, well that smacks of the same 'hypocrtical' nature you accuse others of.

[Napoleon Ier]

It really is quite sad that your only forms of response appear to be abuse and ,quite frankly , downright lies. You make all sorts of assertions yet never manage to back them up when challenged, you need to learn some control.

yeah wicked. Sort it out.

I'll hope that was ironic, I thought of you as a man who enjoyed a bit of such banter and didn't curl up into a ball and sob when faced with derision for likening oneself to Descartes and Kant, but yeah, she already has. I'll see y'all again vendredi. Cheers rentboy.

[Fruitcake]

If you guys can't discuss this with civility, then don't post. PMs sent.

From the muslim discussion thread

Threads meant to provoke are locked to prevent the inevitable reaction it was meant to stir up. As soon as the thread started referring to Muslims in a negative manner, it was locked down.

From the muslim discussion thread

Quite frankly, this thread is the most obscene piece of trash I have read in many a year, yet you allow it...and contribute to bashing my religion wicked. Things have been said here that are nothing short of Religious targeting yet you allow it, other things are said which I find insulting to my beliefs yet you allow it. You should be ashamed of yourself..but then I suppose double standards are the norm in this day and age, and of course, I am but a Christian Catholic.

[Harijan]

Is the Nappy Fruit Comic team really suggesting that the Catholic Church did not knowingly cover up child sex abuse scandals from priest to Cardinals?

You guys have not come out and said it, so just for clarity, are you guys really saying that the Catholic Church did not systemically cover up child sex abuse for decades?

[Guiscard]

Quite frankly, this thread is the most obscene piece of trash I have read in many a year, yet you allow it...and contribute to bashing my religion wicked. Things have been said here that are nothing short of Religious targeting yet you allow it, other things are said which I find insulting to my beliefs yet you allow it. You should be ashamed of yourself..but then I suppose double standards are the norm in this day and age, and of course, I am but a Christian Catholic.

To be fair, you've probably got a good point if you're referring to the earlier part of the thread... But I question which posts once we're on to the subject of the paedophile issue were so insulting and offensive...

[comic boy]

Is the Nappy Fruit Comic team really suggesting that the Catholic Church did not knowingly cover up child sex abuse scandals from priest to Cardinals?

You guys have not come out and said it, so just for clarity, are you guys really saying that the Catholic Church did not systemically cover up child sex abuse for decades?

Dont know what made you put me in there

[wicked]

Fruitcake, it's a discussion of the Catholic church, which inevitably leads to discussions of the major controversy surrounding it. It's a fact many priests were guilty of child molestation. The thread may have strayed some earlier, but with these reminders, I'm hoping here can be civil debate on the topic, or it will be locked. Some have already been warned and/or put on a forum timeout (Nappy is gone for 3 days). So while it may seem like I'm allowing this, there's a lot going on behind the scenes to control it. Now, I won't be watching this thread 24/7, so if you see something that's religion-bashing, please do PM me, or Twill, and we'll look into it.

[heavycola]

It really is quite sad that your only forms of response appear to be abuse and ,quite frankly , downright lies. You make all sorts of assertions yet never manage to back them up when challenged, you need to learn some control.

yeah wicked. Sort it out.

I'll hope that was ironic, I thought of you as a man who enjoyed a bit of such banter and didn't curl up into a ball and sob when faced with derision for likening oneself to Descartes and Kant, but yeah, she already has. I'll see y'all again vendredi. Cheers rentboy.

I would like to point out that I made a poor joke. Comic boy's post could have been referring to wicked, see? Cos it came straight after it! Aha! So when i said 'sort it out, wicked', i meant 'sort yourself out'. i took the time to explain this because although I am not sure what you meant, Nappy, I almost certainly didn't like it. Capisch?


Anyway - LOOK.
Re: this religion-bashing panties-in-a-twist BULLSHIT.
jesus christ, if you believe something, stick up for it, or laugh at the poor deluded fools who disagree with you. But don't sit there and whine about it when someone says catholicism or islam or scientology or raelianism or atheism is stoopid.

There is a difference, rather a large one, between saying:
a) Scientology is ridiculous
b) All scientologists are paedophiles

CAN YOU SEE THIS?
if any mod thinks poking fun at a belief system is ban- or even lock-worthy then I pity their small-mindedness, but individuals are not belief systems, and when one considers the respect with which many of this forum's christian posters are held by some of the atheists, and possibly even vice versa, this becomes clearer IMO.
But that doesn't mean anyone, atheist or believer, should be allowed to get away with being a dumbass.

By the way: apologies for referring to his holiness as a cross-dresser. That was uncalled for. He is, however, a geriatric virgin and he lives in a palace. That is all true and totally non-perjorative.

[Fruitcake]

please do PM me, or Twill, and we'll look into it.

That's a bloody joke. I pm'd Twill on the 8th March and they are still sitting in my outbox.

[wicked]

So how about getting this back on topic please?

[Fruitcake]

I am not, nor ever would, defend any heinous act by anyone, religious or otherwise. As far as I am concerned all these people deserve their come uppance and I applaud all and every effort to weed them out and deal with them.

However, I cannot abide sycophantic panderings or double standards. If a standard is set, then the standard should be kept, or release all the wolves on all subjects.

[Frigidus]

So how about getting this back on topic please?

But the original topic is boring.

[wicked]

Sin is boring? You must not be doing it right!

[Colossus]

Cool, Catholic Bashing! It's the Great American Pasttime! And one of the few American traditions in which Brits also delight! Go, Team! Go, Team, Go!


In the immortal words of Paul....Jesus Titty-Fu**ing Christ, would you guys chill?


I was raised Catholic, and anyone who was raised Catholic seems to feel the need to either A. defend the CHURCH with every ounce of their being and against every shred of reason....or B. cry from the mountaintops that those Catholics are a bunch of pedophilic hypocrites. For cryin' out loud, people! Let's take a step back for a moment, shall we?

First off, it is a well-known fact that the Roman Catholic Church is by far the largest and wealthiest single land-owning entity in the world and has been for probably a couple hundred years. So, the idea that excessive wealth is a mortal sin is so indefensibly hypocritical as to be laughable.

It is also an admitted fact that the Catholic Church has engaged in a policy of non-disclosure regarding pedophilia among the clergy. This policy has involved massive pay-offs to the victims and their families, merrry-go-round moving of the offending priests from parish to parish (so that they can spread their deviance around? so stupid), and failure in all cases to report these violations of the law to the proper authorities. This is a major stain on the Church which the Church has (finally) openly acknowledged with world-wide shame. I don't mind telling you that I, personally, was utterly ashamed to be associated with the Church through the course of this scandal. Nappy, you should be, too. Really. You should. Admit it. What the Church has done is indefensible. I know you like to make yourself look stupid in these forums, but here...really....don't. It's an insult to your faith to try and defend the Church where the pedophilia issues are concerned. It hurts Jesus when you do it...really, man.

That being said, the incidence of pedophilia among the priesthood is not statistically different than the incidence in the rest of the population. This, of course, doesn't mean that it's hunky-dory, it just means that the priesthood is not rife with altar boy fondlers...at least not any more so than your local school or supermarket.

The way the Church has historically handled incidents of abuse is inexcusable and wrong, and it has hurt the Church greatly all over the world as well it should.

Now that all that stuff has be openly acknowledged by me, I will now say to all you folks who delight in bashing the Catholic Church that you really oughta back the FUC* off. The Catholic Church is a huge organization that whose roots and power structure are many, many centuries old. Like anything as large as the Church is, it takes a lot of time for the organization to move with the changing times. The revolutions that scientific discovery and western governments have produced over the past 200 years have cause a massive shift in the way humanity looks at its world. The Church is struggling very hard to catch up. It will make mistakes. It may become completely defunct, but taking cheap shots is really shitty and mildly offensive.

I don't really know too much about the current Pope, but I can say that his leadership of the Church thus far has been terrible. These 'new' mortal sins are just one more example. It's sad, really, because Pope John Paul II did so much to try to drag the Church into modern times, and there are about a billion people around the world that are listening to this new guy, whose leadership thus far has more or less indicated that he wants Catholicism to return to the dark ages rather than catch up with the rest of society in the 21st century.