McCain Is Not Constitutionally Eligable To Be President

[DaGip]

does anyone realize that a natural born citizen is also a person born of two american parents where ever they are

Natural born citizens are citizens that are born within the 50 states and need NO special laws or guidelines to be or become a citizen of the United States. You are either a Natural Born Citizen or you are a Naturalized Citizen under United States law.

That means Ron Paul can legally become president because his existence needs NO specialized laws to citizenship, whereas, Mr. MadDog McCain is a citizen under such guidelines that allow him to be a NATURLIZED CITIZEN. Natural Born Citizen and Naturlized Citizen are not the same thing, sorry. Do your research.

The argument still holds weight, sorry Jimboston

your argument holds no wait DaGip because of the US constitution and your lack of understanding of the terms 'natural born' and 'naturalized'.

A naturalized citizen is someone who was not born on US soil and was not born to US parents but has lived in the US for a required number of years.

You are theorizing that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person."

Actually, it is only presumed McCain qualifies as a natural born. The case would have to go to court, as you and I are not qualified to make that judgement.

And I ain't voting for McCain anyway, because I think he isn't qualified to be commander in chief. He is way too old and will probably die on the pooper the first day in office. He is way too chummy with the Bush family now, so he is a neocon dicksucking fuckhead. Not only that but McCain, who's still got Hanoi on the brain, is a notorius hothead. I don't think those are qualifications for the most powerful job on the planet, do you?

Wikipedia is not qualified to say that McCain is a natural born citizen under such stated laws as has already been pointed out. The fact is, it has never seen its day in court.

There is an Act in the making to change this whole natural born and naturlized citizen stuff. It would make natural born citizens out of McCain and anybody born to US citizens no matter where they are. But it hasn't been passed, so McCain has to abide by what is in place, and that means that the courts would have to get involved and determine precisely the definition of natural born citizen.

McCain is a naturalized citizen, which means his citizenship is conferred under stipulations of the law, whereas, natural born citizens need no such stipulation to grant them citizenship.

Really, I don't see how you are unable to tell the difference between the two?

This is what is in question, and should it be brought up, McCain has already got a legal team to combat the issue in court.

But, as I said, if you need to go to court in regards to your own citizenship, that in itself is enough to say that you are not a natural born citizen. Otherwise, you wouldn't be proned to go to court over the issue.

[Hologram]

And I'm going to reiterate mine and greenoaks's arguments. You have no understanding of the term naturalized and natural-born. Natural-born merely means that you are a naturalized citizen at birth. Thus natural-born. Notice how the words are similiar? Naturalized, natural? The difference is that when one is described as naturalized then they go through some process to make them a full-fledged citizen, whereas if you are natural-born, you have gone through some process by merely being born under some legal qualifications (i.e. born in the U.S., born to two U.S. citizens, etc. Look at Title 8, it's been referred to numerous times) to be naturalized at birth, and thus born naturalized, or, as we say, natural born. The act that is in process is unneeded and is only for people like you who don't know legal jargon.

[DaGip]

And I'm going to reiterate mine and greenoaks's arguments. You have no understanding of the term naturalized and natural-born. Natural-born merely means that you are a naturalized citizen at birth. Thus natural-born. Notice how the words are similiar? Naturalized, natural? The difference is that when one is described as naturalized then they go through some process to make them a full-fledged citizen, whereas if you are natural-born, you have gone through some process by merely being born under some legal qualifications (i.e. born in the U.S., born to two U.S. citizens, etc. Look at Title 8, it's been referred to numerous times) to be naturalized at birth, and thus born naturalized, or, as we say, natural born. The act that is in process is unneeded and is only for people like you who don't know legal jargon.

Sounding similar does not confer exactness in meaning. Both terms describe citizenship. But, however, they both have a subtle difference. This is why legislators are trying to pass the Natural Born Citizen Act, so that people like McCain can be considered Natural Born citizens.

Let's face it, nothing will ever come of this, because McCain will never become president, so no need to worry about this issue.

[Nobunaga]

... all this quoting the Constitution is rather silly. More than half of what the US government does, it does so without the right, as spelled out in the Constitution.

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[DaGip]

... all this quoting the Constitution is rather silly. More than half of what the US government does, it does so without the right, as spelled out in the Constitution.

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The US government doesn't abide by its own Constitution, so you are correct. They will do whatever they want to do, regardless. Unless of course the citizenry start using their right to bear arms and take back the government for themselves.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

That is of course we as Americans have deemed the Declaration of Independence void of meaning as well.