****Fantasy Land Invasion**** -- Town Squashed the Invasion

[AndyDufresne]

Vote Count

• Moz976 - (Mach)
• Haydena - (sully)
• Not voting, everyone else

A player needs 4 total votes to be Lynched



Deadline: The USA evening of October 3rd a Lynched must be decided. If there is no decision, a No-Lynch will be forced.


--Andy

[sully800]

Alright Mach, I have one post I need to direct specifically to you since you're the only person I can truly trust. Obviously I can't talk outside this thread so I need to do it here but any townies should listen to dialogues between mach and I closely!

I'm still not ENTIRELY sold on wicked. You trust her because she can communicate with you at night, but I think theres a slight chance that she has that role almost as a spy.

Note: This will only come into play if we convict Haydena and he turns out to be innocent, which I don't think will happen. In that case Rev Kyle is as good as dead in my eyes, but I think the mafia would have needed another accomplice.

In that case and that case only, I don't trust wicked. She can talk with you at night but in my eyes that does not confirm that she is innocent. She could have been allocated the role of 'seer' but still be mafia and trying to sway your vote and opinion all along.

So what I need from you, Mach, is every piece of information you can divulge. You said earlier that you had some info you didn't want to reveal but I think that all needs to come out now. If Phobia is playing us we're as good as dead but if wicked is playing you we still might lose, and maybe your info can prevent that.

Let me know what you think, and if you can't 100% confirm wicked as innocent, then we might need a slightly altered plan for tomorrow. But once again, I think this only comes into play if we are wrong in killing Haydena.

[wicked]

Sully, I actually thought the same thing as you at first. Although I could talk to Mach at night, I didn't know if I could trust him, although according to our roles we had trusted each other explicitly in the past. If there's anything I can say/do to help you trust me, or anything you need to ask me, go ahead.

One question, what does Haydena's guilt or innocence have to do with my guilt or innocence? I only went with Haydena b/c you picked him... I was going back and forth between RK and Haydena as possibly one or both mafia. Although the more I think about it, the more I think RK is guilty.. maybe it's because he talks more, I don't know, but if I had to choose between the two, I'm actually leaning towards RK. So for now, I will UNVOTE Haydena and wait to see what Mach and Phobia think. Yes, I'm wishy-washy, but I'm a female...lol... and a 3-mile run has cleared my brain (for now!). Jumping the gun is what killed poor innocent Firey in the first place, so I'd rather not repeat that mistake again.

[sully800]

Yeah wicked, I actually agree with you about RK now that I re-read the banter between you and him just before I showed up. I think he does look a little more guilty than Haydena, but I'll wait and see what Mach has to say about it. We can go either way today....I think they are both guilty.

The reason Haydena's guilt/innocence involves you is because I believe there are 3 total mafia, and I think mach has some info that can confirm that belief. If Haydena turned out to be innocent, then we'd have moz, RK and someone else. Phobia would be easily proven innocent in my mind if he kills moz, and therefore you are the only suspect left. I don't think any of that will happen, but Andy is being very creative with this game, and I can see him giving you a role as more of a spy than the ordinary mafia members. If Phobia and mach suspect RK more than we can vote for him today. Either choice works for me.

[wicked]

OK I see your reasoning, if in fact there are three mafia, that's someone's wildass guess at this point.

[Machiavelli]

I'm putting together a massive post of me and Wicked's conversation right now.

So you know sully, we need to lynch a mafia here because if we lynch a townie, then there are 3 mafia and 3 townie's left. The mafia kill one person at night, and Phobia only has 1/2 chance of someone at night.
If the mafia's kill works, but phobia's doesnt we lose, If both Phobia's kill and the mafia's kill works, then we have a two vs. two. The day will conclude w/ a no lynch and the mafia will win that night.


Also the mafia could just kill Phobia and then they would win for sure.


Sully, I urge you to unvote until you hear what me and wicked have said.

[sully800]

Unvote Haydena

I understand exactly what you are saying. I also think we need some clarifications on the rules....

If we have a split vote because its an even number of people then the day will end with no lynch? That seems a bit unfair because what if there was only one townie and one mafia left? I guess this problem is usually just not encountered because there is normally an odd number of people.

Also, I'd like to know what happens if Phobia votes to kill someone and they vote to kill Phobia. Seems to me like both should die (unless Phobia was wrong) but if he votes for Moz he won't be.

Andy, if you could state a ruling on each of those cases I'd be very much obliged.

[sully800]

I'm putting together a massive post of me and Wicked's conversation right now.

So you know sully, we need to lynch a mafia here because if we lynch a townie, then there are 3 mafia and 3 townie's left. The mafia kill one person at night, and Phobia only has 1/2 chance of someone at night.
If the mafia's kill works, but phobia's doesnt we lose, If both Phobia's kill and the mafia's kill works, then we have a two vs. two. The day will conclude w/ a no lynch and the mafia will win that night.


Also the mafia could just kill Phobia and then they would win for sure.


Sully, I urge you to unvote until you hear what me and wicked have said.

Also, you seem to be stating once again that there are definitely 3 members of the mafia. I want to know how you know that, and I'm assuming that will come in your large post...

[AndyDufresne]

If we have a split vote because its an even number of people then the day will end with no lynch? That seems a bit unfair because what if there was only one townie and one mafia left? I guess this problem is usually just not encountered because there is normally an odd number of people....

As stated in the rules '4. Lynching requires a majority of the town vote...' In the case of an even number, the town must get past the '50%' mark to Lynch.

Also, I'd like to know what happens if Phobia votes to kill someone and they vote to kill Phobia. Seems to me like both should die (unless Phobia was wrong) but if he votes for Moz he won't be.

If any mafia choose to kill a player with a night action such as that of the Vigilante (chance to kill), both deaths succeed, barring any other use of other roles to keep said deaths from happening.


--Andy

[Machiavelli]

On more thing before my huge post...

Also, I'd like to know what happens if Phobia votes to kill someone and they vote to kill Phobia. Seems to me like both should die (unless Phobia was wrong) but if he votes for Moz he won't be.

But Phobia's power only has a one in two chance of working.


And three mafia are standard in a 12 person game, it's also the number that there were in Andy's last game, although the mafia won so maybe he wanted to make this game easier for the town. Only 2 out of 12 mafia just seems little to me.


If there were 4 mafia then they would have won already because the would be the majority.

[AndyDufresne]

...Andy's last game, although the mafia won so maybe he wanted to make this game easier for the town....

Was not my game...it was dagreatbroomhead's and kingwaffles' game...I was a player in that game. Many a thanks goes to dagreatbroomhead for helping me with this game though.


--Andy

[Machiavelli]

Oh yeah, you were my Mafia partner in that one weren't you


OK here comes the big post...

[Machiavelli]

Sully, there was a time when I was pretty sure that Wicked was indeed a spy.

There is no rule against quoting PM's that didnt come from the mod so here is our conversation…

Hey, we can chat about the fastasy game. So tell me what ya know. FYI, I'm new to this game!

Hey, we can chat about the fastasy game. So tell me what ya know. FYI, I'm new to this game!

As of thus far, there is not much to discuss, seeing as nothing as happened yet. If you want to know about mafia strategies I'm sure you can find some sites that explain the tendencies of mafia better than I can, although be sure to remember that those sights are wrong sometimes.

I only have two things to say at the moment.

1) Make sure that we dont act as a pair from the off.

2) Try to think of a way to leave some sort of verification incase you are close to a lynch, they may not take my word. (It’s called bread-crumbing I believe)


And my last point, I've not lost a mafia game yet on here so let's not start now.

I believe this was in response to FireSidePoet being a townie…

damn I was afraid of that. aargh that Andy. I'm sure people will be after my head now. Any ideas? My guess is things will not be like they seem, and we shouldn't look for the obvious?

damn I was afraid of that. aargh that Andy. I'm sure people will be after my head now. Any ideas? My guess is things will not be like they seem, and we shouldn't look for the obvious?

He was a miller, which means that when investigated he will come up guilty.


If people go after your head than I can suggest that you were a cop who was given bad information.

If they ask who you investigated night two you could say me, then they town would lynch me instead probably, but the doctor would save you thinking that you were the cop.

On second thought this may be a bad idea seeing as how you aligned yourself with me but it will keep you alive.

Can't I just say I'm the mayor and have access to the cop's info, or something like that? If you say I'm the cop, the real cop will think we're both mafia. So were you given any info in your bio? Can't we discuss what hints we were given?

This sounded suspicious to me. My win condition is that all aides and instigators to the invasion must be eliminated, so I asked…

Are you an Aide to the invasion?

Wicked’s reply is what really made me think she worked for the other side…

No, but I know the person behind the invasion ... or at least their nickname. Are you involved at all, as an aide or an invader? Come on Mach, what do you know?

I was unsure of wicked

I know my win condition, and I'm not sure that it's the same as yours.


Who did twill tell you was the man behind the invasion?

I have a standard win condition, similar to past games I think.

I was blunt with wicked…

So basically you are a mafia member, who is a Mason with the other side.

So basically you are a mafia member, who is a Mason with the other side.

Whoa, how did you get that from what I wrote? I'm NOT a mafia member. Why would you think that?

Can you talk to the mafia?

the only person I can talk to is you. so if you're mafia, and I was told in my info that you were not, then yes. if you're not, then no. Can you?
what is your win condition?

Tell me the nickname opf the person behind the invasion and you will have my trust back.

From what I know about you, you are a travelling associate that I can communicate with telepathically at night. I know we've worked together in the past, but don't know if you're now aiding the invasion. I'm not sure at this point if you're even pro-town? How do I know I can trust you?? Is your win condition finding out the name of the person behind the invasion? You've really answered none of my questions so far. Until you tell me more about your role in this, I can't divulge the name of the person behind the invasion; I'm sure you understand as you know me to be wise.

Well wicked, I am pro-town, my win conition is that all aides and instigators to the invasion are killed.

If you dont tell the mafia to kill me tonight then tomorrow I am going to accuse you infront of the town and divulge that we were mason partners, I've already breadcrumbed so I'm sure they will believe me, and tell them that you know who it is behind the invasion. I can tell that you are at least an aid to the invasion, if not an instigator,.


All of this post is subject to change if you tell me who is behind the invasion and your role in the invasion. Or if you really are pro-town.

OK that is my win condition too, so I believe you. Sorry if I unintentionally misled you on that, but I thought that everyone's standard win condition was to kill the other side.

I am the Seer, the oldest and most respected member of the community, definitely Pro-Town. Because I'm the Seer, I have insights that others do not, and as such know that the Illusionist is somehow behind the invasion.

Ignore my typos, the PM’s have not been edited at all.

Who is the "illuminist"?

you mean the illusionist? I don't know. If I knew that, I'd know who to lynch!

Still sounds shady, before you lead me to believe you actually knew who was behind the invasion.

I do... the Illusionist.. that's the name I was given as being behind this invasion. Why do you think I was asking if FP had a nickname he went by? Now how to bo about finding out who is the Illusionist? If I flat out ask, then the bad guys will know I know something and will take me out. Any ideas?

I dont know how you're going to find out, it seems tough, nearly impossible to do without drawing suspicion to yourself.

So I'm wondering if there's any significance to the people who didn't post their nicknames? I'll need to go back and see exactly who those were. I'll post more comments once I've had a chance to re-read everything later.

Well that’s it. Any questions, comments?

[wicked]

thaaaanks Mach,... I didn't want to divulge the Illusionist info, in case RK came back and said, hey I'm the Illusionist. Oh well, there goes that. I hope this clears me as telling the truth, as I've obviously been trying to find out nicknames.

[Machiavelli]

Well if it does clear you then we know who the mafia are.


We should lynch Moz, phobia should kill Rev kyle.

[wicked]

whaddaya mean "IF"?

I started the game trusting Mach, then when he PM'ed me saying he "did not having a standard win condition" is when I started thinking he might be mafia. But I've grown to fully trust him, and now obviously he is a townie. Not sure what else I can do to make you guys trust me more?

[sully800]

Okay mach, so you had very similar suspicions as I did with the whole wicked thing. I wasn't sure what you two were told in the beginning....whether you should outright trust the other person or not. I do believe she is on the good side.

As for Phobia's power, I just misread what he wrote. I thought he was saying he had a 50% chance of killing a member of the mafia (and 50% that it was a townie). I now see that you are correct and he only has a 50% chance of killing the person that he chooses, mafia or otherwise.

So you are right....we need to kill a member of the mafia for sure so we should probably go for Moz.

The real question is....should Phobia use his power? Now that I understand what it really means, I think he should not. If we kill Moz now then we have 4 vs. 2. They kill someone tonight and its 3 vs. 2. As long as our other convictions are correct that pattern will keep us ahead. If Phobia doesn't succeed then we aren't in good shape.

Thanks for making me re-read Phobia's post. I can't believe I misunderstood that!

Just let me know if you agree with all of this...

[sully800]

whaddaya mean "IF"?

I started the game trusting Mach, then when he PM'ed me saying he "did not having a standard win condition" is when I started thinking he might be mafia. But I've grown to fully trust him, and now obviously he is a townie. Not sure what else I can do to make you guys trust me more?

Mach was just suspicious of you because he thought you and him had opposite win conditions. I understand why he thought that at first, and I probably would have thought the same thing.

[sully800]

We should lynch Moz, phobia should kill Rev kyle.

I disagree. I think phobia should save his power....it's not worth the risk of him dying since we will stay ahead anyway (as long as we outnumber them now, and the targets are correct). If he saves it and something goes wrong with our plan, then he will be more dangerous to the mafia in the final 2 or 3, assuming he isn't killed in the night.

[wicked]

yes, that's because he said he did not have a standard win condition. I thought killing the other side was a standard win condition. Just a miscommunication.

Well if Phobia doesn't kill someone, then the mafia will probably kill him anyway, right? So what's the risk (sorry Phobia!). Doesn't the mafia get a kill during the next night, regardless of if we lynch a mafia or not?

[sully800]

The problem is the mafia don't know if Phobia will use his power.

If they decide to kill you for example then we'd have 3 vs 2. And if Phobia tries his power but fails it would be 2 vs 2 in which case Mach and I would be powerless. They can kill 2 townies tonight if he tries and fails. They can only kill one if he saves his power.

[wicked]

So we have 4-3 Townies to Mafia. We lynch Moz tonight, mafia kills one of us tonight, that makes it 3-2. Same thing next day, then it'll be 2-1, right? Then the two remaining lynch the last mafia. Is this correct? So right now, we have the advantage? If we use Phobia to kill, there's only a 50% chance it'll work. I think using Phobia is too risky, and not necessary while we have the advantage.

[sully800]

Exactly. We keep Phobia in reserve as a weapon, but don't use him now IMO

[reverend_kyle]

Personally from reading the pms I think wicked and mach sound quite suspicious and with how they "trust" eachother to the fullest without beign able to say they know for sure thats quite interesting..

[sully800]

Rev, mach has been verified as a townie. You aren't going to be able to say "oh he looks suspicious" and change anyone's opinion on that matter. The fact that you won't trust him after I have told you fo sure that he is a townie proves to me that you're mafia.

A better move for the mafia (instead of trying to get me to change my mind about Mach) would be to sacrifice Moz and vote for him yourself.