20v3, lose 7-3 follow by 12v3 and lose 9-1...is this normal?

[cypherX]

The funny thing here is that the losses the poster is stating aren't even that bad. Maybe the 20-vs-3... but the others are not even bad enough to be called "bad dice".

To lose 7 armies attacking 3, you are right, that isn't what I would label that bad. But to follow that up with losing 9 armies attacking 3 where you only defeated 1 army, well, thats really bad in my opinion.

it is easier to blame the dice than to admit you made some seriously bad decisions in a game... when i lose, it is ALWAYS because of the dice, not because of my strategy.-0

I had 20 armies and needed to take 3 3 army countries for 5 bonus cards and pretty much assured victory. Is that really bad strategy? Granted, I probably should have questioned the tactice when I was left with 12 armies versus 2 more 3 army countries, but I'd like for your to tell me how many folks here wouldn't take those odds? Especially over the long term. Furthermore, you can make a blanket "you're bad strategy cost you the game" comments as much as you'd like, but you should probably have a look at the game 1768960 and see that through really good strategy (and on I'll admit, a very favorable roll when attacking 38 vs 25...I think) won me the game anyway.

I can handle the variation of the dice over the long term by attacking with more power than necessary the majority of the time, I can even handle a few bad beats (ie losing 9-1) because I know statistical outliers will be out there, but when the extremes really start to swing that make those statistics seem really incredible, I start to question the dice methodology.

[jimboston]

the others are not even bad enough to be called "bad dice".

it is easier to blame the dice than to admit you made some seriously bad decisions in a game... when i lose, it is ALWAYS because of the dice, not because of my strategy.-0

Hey... you stole my Theory of Bad Dice from the last Forum posting on this subject!

I expect credit in the future for the obviously original thought!

[bob72]

i just had a thought, maybe it's the red wine

there are never this many complaints about dice when playing the boardgame or any dice game face to face

the problem is we see the 20 v 3 loses when we attack but we are not online to see when our measly 3 stack almost holds out to that mighty 20 stack advancing our way

when sitting around the kitchen table we may get frustrated by losing twice or thrice the dice defending to take the territory but that is quickly offset by then watching our opponents suffer large loses when attacking us. here we do not get the joy of knowing that our strategically placed small stack (or the result of cashing in some cards) stopped our enemies in their tracks

so, as was so elegantly put by another cc'er

suck it up ffs

you see wouldn't it be possible to allow people to see that.

For instance couldn't we see how it was played ie

siam (20) attacks new guinea (5)

next roll would be

siam (18) attackes new guinea (5)

that way you could feel at least better in the fact that your defending armies did some good.

[RobinJ]

Good and bad dice come and go - it's life.

But I still have a problem with auto-attack. I'm sure it's just as fair but I don't trust it cos I hate seeing huge stacks of mine killed to almost nothing. So when I'm favourite to win I use attack, when I've got no chance I use auto-attack because sometimes it just seems to work

[cypherX]

These dice are seriously fucked. It's getting to be impossible to play these games because you don't know when a megashit roll is going to hit you and basically ruin your game.

In this game, 1782840, I have 4 cards and cash a set of 20, I deploy 28 on 9, and I need to take 16 armies on 6 countries, 5 of these are 1s, with the other being an 11 guarding Oceania. I attack 35v11 and only lose 4 armies. I thought, sweet, the dice are finally paying me back. Still, I move ~14 to make sure I can get these final 3 for the 4 cards. I get them, cash the 25, and I am plotting to finish this one off for another ~60 points. I put 14 down on the 14 left on Siam from before, and 11 down on 1 in Ukraine. I attack 28v4 and lose 10. Not megashit, but pretty painful. I manage to take aquas armies in Asia...BARELY. So, I have 12v1 and then after that I have a single 3 of his left to take for another bonus cash where I'll put 30 armies on 6 and need to take out 14 for another set to cash where I'll be able to go about ~55v30 to either win or cripple yellow enough that if he were to cash with his 4, I'll still be able to come back the next round to win.

So what happens? I win the 12v1 with no loss, then I have 11v3 for the set, click auto attack, and lose 8 straight. It's just bullshit. I don't know any other way to describe such extreme swings in a single turn.

Some consistency would be nice. I hate having great strategy and then get royally fucked by a shit dice engine.

[comic boy]

But what do you mean by consistency - it would be very boring if we knew that every attack with a stronger force was a winner. Your point about strategy is fair enough except that you are basing your anylasis over a few games which paints a false picture,truth is that luck evens out but consistently good strategy tilts the odds in your favour. Over time you will have as many streaks go in your favour as against you and win as many games through your opponents bad dice as you lose through yours. There is nobody at the top of the scoreboard who got there through luck alone and nobody at the bottom because of the opposite, strategy is the key over time not the dice.

[roadwarrior]

I was told to sacrifice a 17 year old virgin in order to get good dice rolls====

Needless to say I could not find one and have had crappy rolls all day.....

I wouldn't trust you with a 17 year old virgin....

I just lost 4 triples in a row due to crappy dice....never happened to me before .... and in another my team got hit for over 30 for loss of just 1 maybe 2, see my post http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... t=#1100946

.....so what to do? I killed that guy who had the roll.....


Perhaps the gods are telling me it is time to take a break too?

[Appalachian]

I was told to sacrifice a 17 year old virgin in order to get good dice rolls====

Needless to say I could not find one and have had crappy rolls all day.....

I wouldn't trust you with a 17 year old virgin....

I just lost 4 triples in a row due to crappy dice....never happened to me before .... and in another my team got hit for over 30 for loss of just 1 maybe 2, see my post http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... t=#1100946

.....so what to do? I killed that guy who had the roll.....


Perhaps the gods are telling me it is time to take a break too?

Yah... know.....
I would not trust myself either!

[Scott-Land]

To lose 17 armies to 4 in 2 auto attacks?

I haven't played very many games yet, but this was just absurd. There is no way the dice engine is correct with a roll like that. It basically devestated my game and cost me ~60 points.

it's a daily occurrence....

[Iliad]

the dice is completely fine.

Shut up noob. The dice are completely fine it's just you only see your attack rolls. You don't see the defense rolls and so you don't know what happens. Just think if you had 3 and you opponent attacked with 20 and lost. How happy you would be.

[bob72]

I was told to sacrifice a 17 year old virgin in order to get good dice rolls====

Needless to say I could not find one and have had crappy rolls all day.....

I wouldn't trust you with a 17 year old virgin....

I just lost 4 triples in a row due to crappy dice....never happened to me before .... and in another my team got hit for over 30 for loss of just 1 maybe 2, see my post

this is true too I find that out of the 20 games I have running it seems like that sometimes luck just disappears and the same games get the same bad rolls. Still I have, quite often thought "I'm screwed" only to find that the opponent has has the same shit luck as me and we are still on level terms in the match.

I also agree that you can't beat good tactics. We lost 3 doubles games recently due to really bad dice. 18-6 lose 15 etc. (you get the picture) you can take 1 or 2 of these in a game but we followed this up with a 22-5 lose in the next round double whammy cost us the game but despite these huge losses 2 rounds runing we still nearly came back into the game. I was attacking yellow and had a 2 against 1 roll to wipe him out and steal his 5 cards. I was sitting with 3 at the time so it could have been a possible 20 army steal but alas we failed also. Again I had around 13 armies left against 4 singles but just had some crap rolls lost 8 3v1 rolls in a row . Still it make rolling that last dice real fun even if we lost in the end.

hehe