Warsteiner and strakkebillen [blocked]

Frop · Post by **Frop** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:03 pm

Does this mean this case will be re-evaluated once sully is better again?

Post by **king achilles** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:07 pm

sully800 can re-evaluate any case he wishes to.

Warsteiner · Post by **Warsteiner** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:01 am

Thanks for your time and effort King Achilles

krusher · Post by **krusher** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:52 pm

The blocking is a start but what about the points he won through the cheating? He should have a score reset as well.

Warsteiner · Post by **Warsteiner** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:37 pm

can't you read? King Achilles determined that no cheating has occurred and he's right in that.

krusher · Post by **krusher** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:40 pm

if no cheating had occured he would not have bloicked you from playing with your friend. He was just too lazy and didn't want to go further in this investigation.

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:42 pm

looks suspect to me.Hmmmm

Hotdoggie · Post by **Hotdoggie** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:57 pm

omfg you stole my avatar

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:56 am

Hey all, I'm back. Sorry for letting this case hang around (then again most of the 6 pages was developed in 1 day :shock:

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First things first:

krusher wrote:Warsteiner your full of crap man, its clearly int he rules that Any form of collusion between opponents must be announced beforehand in the game chat, in English or in a language all players understand. if you were speaking in Dutch which is something that only you and your little friend understand its just as much of a secret alliance as if you were talking to your friend on msn....

When I sent Warsteiner the warning in October, the requirement for gamechat to be in English was new. I sent them the warning to make them aware of the rule because it had just been added. I know that many people on the site are not native English speakers and are more comfortable with another language, such as Dutch. However that is not fair to other players, and Warsteiner appears to understand that because they stopped speaking in Dutch in the gamechat. So that situation was taken care of.

As for the debate at hand- it is true that Warsteiner has made multiple alliances with strakkebillen, but its also true that he does that with different players in all of his games. The fact that he sometimes is allied with strakkebillen and sometimes nothing is announced does not indicate a secret alliance by itself.

That being said, it does seem like strakkebillen attacks Warsteiner less often than other players. Perhaps that is intentional, perhaps not....there is not enough evidence to prove that this is intentional cheating, especially on Warsteiner's behalf. But the pattern is pretty clear, and I support King Achilles fully in his decision to block Warsteiner and strakkebillen

However a point reset and stripped premium are not in order. Unlike other cases where we had personal testimony from multiple people to serve as evidence, all the data in this case is conjecture. Warsteiner has won a lot while strakkebillen is in the game, but he wins a lot when strakkebillen is not there as well. Unless strakke were to come on here and tell us that Warsteiner asked him to cheat, there is no evidence to indicate it ever happened.

JOHNNYROCKET24 · Post by **JOHNNYROCKET24** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:20 pm

well I even warned Warsteiner and Bladin that I would be personally watching their games together. yesterday they figured they would not listen to my warning. They played this game "together" as secret alliances.

Game 1533121

you will clearly see Bladin cashing in a set of cards and suiciding poo maker to leave the game for Warsteiner to clean up. The best part is, Poo maker had no cards to collect leaving Bladins attack just totally rediculous. After Bladin used all his forces vs Poo, Warsteiner ran the table to win the game.

Seriously mods, how many times does a player need to be warned and blocked? How many of Warsteiners friends from the Netherlands are going to be permitted to play with him so he can climb the scoreboard?

when is enough-enough?

poo-maker · Post by **poo-maker** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:12 pm

Ok, JR wasn't playing or watching the game, so he can't really say what happened... very accurately.

What happened was... Bladin, Warsteiner and I were all setting up to kill yellow. I had 0 cards as i had just cashed in a 3 card set... I can't remember the cards that the other 2 had. I had 2 armies. 1 of 25 and another of 47. I used my army of 25 to take some of yellows 1's and 2's....(yellow had 3 cards btw) then, i used my army of 47 to take bastogne.... leaving only 3 countries( beind bastogne) left for me to take to kill yellow. Bladin, with his army of 40, auto attacked my army of 47, and he came out of it with 8 men... He did this knowing that Warsteiner had an army of 60 men right next to us. I then used my army of around 25 to take back bastogne, trying to kill yellow before War did. War autoed my army, killed yellow and easily killed bladin, since he had wasted his men on me. War then went on to win the game very easily.

The play for me wouldn't have been enough to give me suspicions of a secret alliance, but the chat that then followed did. I was really pissed of at Bladin for blatantly giving the game to War, but even after i spelled out what he had done wrong, he still thought he was right. Not only that, but WoWaholic, who was also playing, accused me of being wrong. Now.... Bladin and WoWaholic are definitely smart enough and have enough experience in freestyle speed games to know that i was right.... On top of that, War just took the win and didn't comment on how bad Bladins gameplay was...

I received a pm from Prankcall, saying how he thought their play was v.suspicious, but i decided to give War the benefit of the doubt...Because i don't think that he's stupid enough to have a secret alliance especially after he has been accused of one.

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:20 pm

poo-maker wrote::roll:

Ok, JR wasn't playing or watching the game, so he can't really say what happened... very accurately.

What happened was... Bladin, Warsteiner and I were all setting up to kill yellow. I had 0 cards as i had just cashed in a 3 card set... I can't remember the cards that the other 2 had. I had 2 armies. 1 of 25 and another of 47. I used my army of 25 to take some of yellows 1's and 2's....(yellow had 3 cards btw) then, i used my army of 47 to take bastogne.... leaving only 3 countries( beind bastogne) left for me to take to kill yellow. Bladin, with his army of 40, auto attacked my army of 47, and he came out of it with 8 men... He did this knowing that Warsteiner had an army of 60 men right next to us. I then used my army of around 25 to take back bastogne, trying to kill yellow before War did. War autoed my army, killed yellow and easily killed bladin, since he had wasted his men on me. War then went on to win the game very easily.

The play for me wouldn't have been enough to give me suspicions of a secret alliance, but the chat that then followed did. I was really pissed of at Bladin for blatantly giving the game to War, but even after i spelled out what he had done wrong, he still thought he was right. Not only that, but WoWaholic, who was also playing, accused me of being wrong. Now.... Bladin and WoWaholic are definitely smart enough and have enough experience in freestyle speed games to know that i was right.... On top of that, War just took the win and didn't comment on how bad Bladins gameplay was...

I received a pm from Prankcall, saying how he thought their play was v.suspicious, but i decided to give War the benefit of the doubt...Because i don't think that he's stupid enough to have a secret alliance especially after he has been accused of one.

So why hasnt Warsteiner had his score stripped like Krusher did?

Risktaker17 · Post by **Risktaker17** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:23 pm

BECAUSE HE'S INNOCENT!

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:24 pm

Oh please...He has been Blocked...read the thread first.Don't just reply to my one liner.

Hotdoggie · Post by **Hotdoggie** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:06 pm

KoE_Sirius wrote:Oh please...He has been Blocked...read the thread first.Don't just reply to my one liner.

YOU read the thread! He was blocked because he agreed with mods that it was best for him if he didn't play with strakkenbillen as he was being accused of stuff which wasn't provable.

Warsteiner remains adamant that he is innocent, and until there is concrete evidence to prove otherwise, a points reset aint gonna happen.

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:31 pm

I see overwhelming evidence that he is guilty from over ppls statements.Plus I have been in a few games where he has cheated.I didnt think so at first,but then it happened again and again...What he says is not important.He would say that lol

Hotdoggie · Post by **Hotdoggie** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:35 pm

KoE_Sirius wrote:I see overwhelming evidence that he is guilty from over ppls statements.Plus I have been in a few games where he has cheated.I didnt think so at first,but then it happened again and again...What he says is not important.He would say that lol

Show some undisputable proof, then a reset might just happen

InkL0sed · Post by **InkL0sed** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:42 pm

Innocent 'till proven guilty, guys. Oh yeah, and the jury has to be unanimous.

JOHNNYROCKET24 · Post by **JOHNNYROCKET24** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:03 pm

Hotdoggie wrote:
KoE_Sirius wrote:Oh please...He has been Blocked...read the thread first.Don't just reply to my one liner.

YOU read the thread! He was blocked because he agreed with mods that it was best for him if he didn't play with strakkenbillen as he was being accused of stuff which wasn't provable.

Warsteiner remains adamant that he is innocent, and until there is concrete evidence to prove otherwise, a points reset aint gonna happen.

fyi- im watching games with you and warsteiner too

Hotdoggie · Post by **Hotdoggie** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:10 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
Hotdoggie wrote:
KoE_Sirius wrote:Oh please...He has been Blocked...read the thread first.Don't just reply to my one liner.

YOU read the thread! He was blocked because he agreed with mods that it was best for him if he didn't play with strakkenbillen as he was being accused of stuff which wasn't provable.

Warsteiner remains adamant that he is innocent, and until there is concrete evidence to prove otherwise, a points reset aint gonna happen.

fyi- im watching games with you and warsteiner too

So what? My 101-0 feedback speaks for itself.

Also, I've only played him once in the last week [not including the BRs] and I won :S

Thai Robert · Post by **Thai Robert** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:58 am

Right Hotdoggie, you won the game.
And that's exactly the aim of a secret alliance: working together so you or Warsteiner can clinch the game.
Undisputable proof isn't needed to have you blocked from playing together again. Very suspicious behavior is sufficient. And you defending Warsteiner in this thread is part of that!

Thai Robert · Post by **Thai Robert** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:04 am

Did you really think, I hadn't noticed yet?
Maybe it's time to start a new case. Lots of evidence to build one...

Thai Robert · Post by **Thai Robert** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:12 am

The only thing that keeps me from pursuing is that Warsteiner isn't a full-time cheater as far as I can see. And he seems also able to score points when he's not cheating. Entitling him to some sort of a high rank. He's just plain stupid, as Poo mentions, to take these risks.

Hotdoggie · Post by **Hotdoggie** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:35 am

Thai Robert wrote:Right Hotdoggie, you won the game.
And that's exactly the aim of a secret alliance: working together so you or Warsteiner can clinch the game.
Undisputable proof isn't needed to have you blocked from playing together again. Very suspicious behavior is sufficient. And you defending Warsteiner in this thread is part of that!

haha lol yeah, you caught me out! O noes.

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:59 pm

what happened here? he get accused or suspected again?