Conquer Club

e_i_pi wrote:Just post the most annoying stuff you can find on the internet - links to dice complaint threads don't count

I dedicate this thread to pimpdave

e_i_pi wrote:ODE TO FLAME WARS

Flame wars indulges the recovered bastard,
underneath the understood marriage.

Will flame wars walk throughout permaban?

Flame wars perceives an impractical quantum
before a talking newsletter.

Can flame wars cable the mixed percentage?

Flame wars cooks permaban!
Permaban amazes flame wars beneath the likelihood!
Underneath permaban farms flame wars!
His dye spaces permaban on top of the hired arm!
Near a squeeze sickens the heavier flesh...

e_i_pi wrote:

oVo wrote:Considering there are already way too many threads created bitching about the dice, this option would likely double that number... or worse.

Triple?

e_i_pi wrote:Count me in, I'll round up a partner in the next 24 hours

EDIT: thezepman will be my partner, as confirmed by post below this one

e_i_pi wrote:

Mr. Squirrel wrote:

pmchugh wrote:

Suspect101 wrote:vpmgot,

can anyone guess what I did there?

You went one right on every digit from confirm on the keyboard.

c is changed to v becasue v is situated one place to the right of c on the keyboard.
o is changed to p becasue p is situated one place to the right of o on the keyboard.

etc. etc.

I never would have gotten that.

I thought it was some weird mafia code for "Very Private Message Got"

e_i_pi wrote:It's true...

e_i_pi wrote:I'd join, but classic and high seas are a bit small for quads IMO, so it'd just be an elim-fest

e_i_pi wrote:There was a lot more achieved in FW than in Sugs and Bugs

e_i_pi wrote:

Likely changes are:
Adding Trips and Quads

I would like to see Trips and Quads in, and possibly singles as well. Doubles is a great format, but it doesn't so much measure best clans, as much as best doubles clans. Perhaps there could be some sort of option where, each home week, when sending out the games, a clan has to include 1 Doubles, 1 Triples, and 1 Quads minimum, the other 7 games are the choice of the clan.

Playoffs

Playoffs are nice, but I'm not sure I'd be happy playing a 20-30 round season only to lose the championship at the end. Still, I know playoffs are a part of a fair few leagues, so I can see the fors and against of it.

2 Divisions no cross-overs

Is there enough for 3 divisions? The reason I ask is that, the more divisions, the less games per season, more promotions/relegations, and therefore a much more dynamic league.

Longer schedule but with more bye-weeks

I'd much prefer a shorter schedule with less opponents. I really enjoy that you're setting all this up, but the scheduling in the first season was not only hectic, but also imbalanced, in that some clans got easier runs than others.

Series games split home and away during the week

Sounds like a good idea, makes sense

e_i_pi wrote:

SEAsportsfan wrote:Are we starting this today, or tomorrow? Just wondering, because i'll be gone for good part of tomorrow, so won't be too active.

Sounds like scum tactics to me





Confirm

e_i_pi wrote:

owenshooter wrote:i must say, i like the moving of the clan forums...-0

Agreed. Of all the shuffling that has gone on lately, I see this move as being the most progressive and forward-thinking, though having Society of Cooks up top is also good.

e_i_pi wrote:What software / websites do you use to assist in running tournaments? Have you developed any tools yourself?

e_i_pi wrote:

Martin Ronne wrote:Since when is mpjh a moderator?!?!?!

Correction: Society Moderator. Apparently it doesn't count for too much, at least not free premium membership

e_i_pi wrote:Accused:
[player]jpliberty[/player]


The accused are suspected of:
Other: Pretty bad form in game chat with new players


Game number(s):
Game 5197948
Game 5197946
Game 5171311
Game 5010723


Comments:
Discovered this when I was looking for multi's. I found it strange that jpliberty was in games with both XsorcererX2006 and XphilewipeX2006, since I'd just posted a C+A report on those two. I looked in the game itself to see if there was something fishy going on. Welp, nothing fishy but, come on, this sort of chat isn't going to keep new players here. I've only included the parts of the chat that are pretty offensive and not good if you want return custom, so look in the games if you want context. Admittedly, jpliberty is generally ok, but I don't think it's necessary to unleash like this on New Recruits (last one is a cook, in a game with a NR):

5197948 wrote:2009-07-04 06:07:34 - jpliberty: don't f*ck with me again and I won't have to knock you down so brutally LOL
2009-07-04 06:12:16 - jpliberty: blue child, I will fucking kill you like green is lined up to slaughter you, and it will not be pretty

5197946 wrote:2009-07-04 06:35:27 - jpliberty: If I could cut out you new players who come by, ruin a game and then leave I would, you are an IDIOT blue, a complete IDIOT
2009-07-04 06:35:47 - jpliberty: f*ck OFF Milesius

5171311 wrote:2009-06-29 16:09:41 - Krigaren117: start!
2009-06-29 17:48:27 - jpliberty: gl all
2009-06-29 17:49:25 - jpliberty: Krigaren, this is a 24 hour game, everyone has 24 hours to take their turn; you can join speed games if you become a premium member,and everyone has only 5 minutes to take a turn
2009-07-01 02:54:28 - jpliberty: that being explained to you Mr/Ms Krigaren117, why the hell don't you "start!"...LOL
2009-07-01 02:55:23 - jpliberty: could it be that you are an IDIOT, and throw insults at others before a game even begins, then NEVER return, like HALF you IDIOTS who sign up for this and don't even bother to read the instructions? CAN YOU READ?

5010723 wrote:<tirade snipped>
2009-06-04 06:33:50 - jpliberty: if green holds that, green wins the game
2009-06-05 00:50:10 - jakeo94: god damn it red chill the f*ck out
2009-06-05 01:28:05 - jpliberty: LOL, how does "god damn it" translate to "chill"? Look, you are a cook, that means you have NO BRAINS, who the hell cares what you think?

e_i_pi wrote:Accused:
[player]XsorcererX2600[/player]
[player]XphilewipeX2600[/player]


The accused are suspected of:
Being Multis


Comments:
Smells kind of fishy. Looks like XphilewipeX2600 joined the site, joined a bunch of games, got frustrated that none of the games were playing RT, so made a second account to play more games.

e_i_pi wrote:Accused:

[player]steadmo[/player]
[player]msteadmo[/player]



The accused are suspected of:

Being Obvious



Game number(s):

Game 5201037
Game 5201035



Comments:

It's like I'm seeing double, except there's an 'm' on my left lens

e_i_pi wrote:Add Game 5200260 to the mix. Bizarre multi behaviour IMO. Most multis aren't made to play doubles sequential, if it's doubles they usually go freestyle.

e_i_pi wrote:

RADAGA wrote:Battle Outcomes Actual Stats Ideal Stats
3v1 █████████████████████████ 3033 / 1606 (65.38% / 34.62%) (65.97% / 34.03%)


yesterday the 3vs2 were even (0,02 difference) and the 3x1 were 65.62% / 34.38%

In a single day, I lost SO MANY STEAKS of 3x1´s that they moved .25% away of the expected.

Uh, you're worried about this? Your 3v1 is down by 0.59% on about 4500 rolls. And you believe it is because you are premium? Look, I'm at work so I don't have my dicestats available, but I have waaaay more rolls than you, and my 3v1 is down by about 1.5%, which is massive. Your dice are fine, you should improve your strategyif you want to get better results

e_i_pi wrote:

jpcloet wrote:The ladder above is stale, let me link to the new thread.

Crikey, sorry jp. Yeah the link is here viewtopic.php?f=438&t=90907 I'm a doofus

e_i_pi wrote:

oaktown wrote:The absolute worst posts are the ones that just say "I like it," or "I don't like it," without in any way advancing the discussion. For example...

sailorseal wrote:I agree, I don't like the white, it doesn't feel right

This post weakly parrots an opinion that has already been posted and is no use to me as a map maker.

A) I agree "I like it" posts are useless for honing a map

B) The second part, I semi-agree with you oaktown. When I entered in the Central America competition, my first draft was pretty ugly. I got the second draft looking so much better, and being so much better supported by the community, by noting all the different aspects of the map (borders, font, colour scheme, texture, etc), and tallying how many positive and negative comments I got on each. This helped me to determine the broader community support. Take this for example:

Mapmaker: Can I get some feedback on the borders please guys?

User A-Pos: I like the borders, I think they contrast well with the territories

User B-Pos: Yeah the borders are good

User C-Pos: Map is looking good, nice borders

User D-Neg: The borders just don't do it for me at all. They are far too thick, the shading on them isn't right, it looks too dark, and it just isn't right. I can't see half the territory names because of them, if this got quenched I wouldn't play it, it would give me a headache looking at those borders. You should try a different brush, like the one used on XYZ map. The borders there look fantastic, and are much better than the borders on your map. Did you think these borders would be fine? They're holding the map back, and sorely need to be redone. If I was Foundry Assistant, I wouldn't give you the graphics stamp til you changed them.

User E-Pos: Borders are fine, don't need any more work IMO

User F-Pos: Nice map, I like the borders, they fit well and don't need re-doing

User G-Pos: Ditto

Now, assuming (and this is a big assumption) that these comments are all from Foundry semi-regulars who aren't mods/admin/assistants, so they're not determining whether it gets stamped or not, but their opinion can be taken to be honest and intelligent. Some users would take D's comments to heart, given the length of them. Sometimes it's good to stand back and get a broader perspective though, see what the community at large thinks. I'd contemplate what D has to say, but if it's 6 for and 1 against, I'd be more inclined to keep the borders the way they are

e_i_pi wrote:

tacktix wrote:I looked at the screenshot and thought in two seconds "wow, that caption is so retarded."

yeti_c wrote:Pink/Peach = Fail

Come on guys, lift your game. P2K is working on something for free for the site, he's not burdening you with a problem. The least a Foundry Assistant and CC mainstay could do is be a bit more welcoming, especially in light of the 'Combatting Foundry Elitism' thread.

e_i_pi wrote:There's a sticky at the top of this forum sens...

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=17807

e_i_pi wrote:Is the league data in this model yet, or are you waiting until Week 24 wraps up?

e_i_pi wrote:I'll be in, sounds neat

e_i_pi wrote:

Hoagy wrote:

jefjef wrote:Accused:

[player]wemeetagain[/player]



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis



Comments: Have we met before?

Bit of a blind accusation from one who is quick to defend others when they're in the wrong.

Where's your evidence?

It is a blind accusation, and I have to say quite out of character given jefjef's record in C+A. He might have something though...

Posted in 'The Third Crusade' topic in Map Foundry (the only post this guy has made)...

Re: The Third Crusade
by wemeetagain on Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:00 am

nice. will I be able to play this one?

It kind of sounds like the words of someone who knows that New Recruits have restricted maps, and also of someone who is a New Recruit quite often. Still, it's a far stretch, and I'd leave it in the hands of the hunters to determine this one. There really is nothing else to go on.

e_i_pi wrote:

Megadeth666 wrote:yup leave it to whats his name to f*ck the thread up again

I agree. Curse you Cyrenius, with your off-topic posts

e_i_pi wrote:

Georgerx7di wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Georgerx7di wrote:People who complain that they get bad dice all the time are full of shit. We all get the same dice.

+1

Also, to driverclit, when you attack neutrals in a 1v1 game, and then get stomped by your opponent, it is not the fault of the dice. The blame rests squarely on your shoulders.

Amen. Also, attacking when you are not rolling 3 dice is pretty stupid too. Don't know if the guy mentioned above does it, but I see noobs do it all the time and then wonder why the are loosing.

Yeah I recently played a game against a SFC/Lieut (he upped rank during game), it was no cards, and he made sure every round he took at least one territory off me. He was attacking 2v2, 2v1, 1v1 quite a bit, and I'd say he unnecessarily lost about 15-20 armies, which lost him the game. He had a better drop, and went first, outdeploying in every round for the first 10 rounds.

I'll only attack 2v1 on rare occasions, for instance if 1 more territory off the opponent will reduce their army bonus next go AND that territory will not border my opponents territories, so he can't take it straight back. In cards games I sometimes go 2v1 as well. 2v2 is crazy, and is a last resort when the game is all but a loss anyway, and only any good to break a continent/get a card in esc, but by that stage it's usually absolute desperation. 1v2 is pointless in every situation.

e_i_pi wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=33445

e_i_pi wrote:You can find bob here

e_i_pi wrote:

Mr Changsha wrote:While eipi and owen have been discussing the 1on1, 2on2 styles, I think this question also relates to multiplayer games as well. Now sadly I have no mathematical equations to illustrate my point (because I am a bit thick) but I would say that overall the better players rise up over a few games regardless of the dice in an individual game. However even in an individual game, if you think about what you need to win, you would add reading the board, reading the players, diplomacy, tactics, overall strategy...and dice. Looked at that way, dice are not a major part of even an individual multiplayer game and I certainly never win or lose a multiplayer singles game and think 'it was the dice wot won it' (British readers will understand).

Yeah good reply Chang. I discussed 1v1 mainly to eliminate as many elements from the equation as possible - 1v1 has no diplomacy, less cashing in tactics, no elimination tactics, etc. You're dead right about multiplayer games. I consider the best players at the site to be those who have excelled at multiplayer games, and I don't think I'll ever be one of those players, as I enjoy 1v1 and team v team games. The diplomacy and tactics that go on in multiplayer games can get really intense, especially if every player plays a good game, and doesn't suicide etc. In those sorts of games, dice are not as important as positioning, tactics, diplomacy, and patience.

Finally, if you want to really understand the minimal importance of dice go to sugs and bugs and begin reading through the dice complaints thread...all 40 odd pages of it. You'll notice that the vast majority of posters who complained about there dice, often repeatedly I'm sad to say, were/are fairly unsuccessful players. The point is they saw/see the dice as dominating their game (at least the 75% you mentioned) and the only players who see the dice as the most important factor are those that lack in the skills mentioned above.

True true. Most players that complain about the dice should be looking at their style of play for faults, not the dice. I must admit, I have on occassion had a spat about the dice. Sometimes they roll with you, sometimes against you. Two memorable moments in the past few days are:
* Deploy of 8, took out 1 single, lost 7 rolls against other singles
* Deploy of 24, took out two 3s, lost all spare armies in the process
But let's not turn this into yet another dice complaint thread

If you think the dice have it in for you, just stop rolling. Losing a card is rarely as devastating as losing 3-6 armies gaining a card. Also, if you keep larger stacks, whats to say they won't defend successfully, and give you a nice attack point next round? Patience, and knowing when -not- to attack are key skills in this game, especially in multiplayer

e_i_pi wrote:Game 5154103
Game 5153853
Game 5154085
Game 5153926
Game 5153764

5-0 win for me. Next please

e_i_pi wrote:

a.sub wrote:(1-x)75% + (x)50% = 67
then x = .32
dropping almost 10% simply by reducing the win factor by 5% which isnt much considering that you havent played more than 100 games and according to map-rank have actually lost more points than you have won on it.

Uh... okay, way to misinterpret. I never mentioned a 'win factor', I said that strategically, I'm better than about 80% of players. If me and 4 of my opponents, randomly selected, sat down and wrote out a 'how-to' guide, I'd assume there'd be one that would write better tips than myself. That's not 'win factor', that's understanding of the map.

As for the points loss, that's hardly relevant, and I assume you're trolling. I have to play opponents of about 1775 score to break even if I'm winning 2 out of 3 games (which I am). The fact that I've played opponents of lower score on average doesn't say anything about their strategic skill on that map. I've played stripes that have excellent strategy, and officers that suck. The fact that a players score is high doesn't say anything about their skill on a map - I thought you'd shown this already with the 5 games you won against KH?

e_i_pi wrote:

owenshooter wrote:its the drop, it's your tactics, and if you aren't smart it is your dice. knowing when to stop attacking is just as important as knowing when to attack...-0

Never have truer words been spoken. Except that time when my gf said how good I was in bed.

e_i_pi wrote:It's not just the dice, it's the drop as well.

In terms of a pseudo-case study, I consider myself pretty good at 1v1 American Civil War, No Spoils, Chained, Sunny. In my opinion, AmCivWar is reasonably basic - not the most basic map, but pretty basic (moreso than Waterloo, Supermax, Feudal, etc).

The only 'luck' factors in this setting are dice and drop - cards don't factor, and chained forts is the least drop-dependant fort type IMO.

I've played the map many times, am familiar with the attack routes, bonuses, what is easy to hold, what is hard to hold etc. I would say that strategy-wise, on that map, I'm better than about 80% of the people I play. My win rate is about 67% (I believe). So if dice/drop on average screws you as much as it helps you, then dice/drop importance is about:

(1-x) * 80% + x * 50% = 67%

Solving for x:

x = 0.43....

So, I reckon dice/drop have influence on about 40-45% of games on basic maps. So long as the map is basic, and there are no cards, a player with perfect strategy/skill will win about 75-80% of the time.

Anyone out there who plays No Spoils 1v1 on a basic map with a record greater than about 80%, to debunk my theory?

e_i_pi wrote:

MrBenn wrote:From a gameplay perspective, the map mostly feels balanced; the primary task should be to work towards the troublesome Gameplay stamp

The borders between regions could be made a little bit clearer.
I'm not a fan of the black/white minimap/screens - I think some colour would help tie things together. You could still pixellate the images to make them look like they're on a CRT monitor though.
The South Pole demarcation isn't too bad... perhaps some sort of cross-hatching might draw attention to it a little more, and make it more obvious that there is a slightly different attack rule there.
A visual identifier for the fleets/ports (ie an explanatory note on a legend) might assist (never underestimate the stupidity of some players )

The graphics niggles are only niggles at this stage, and should be secondary to getting gameplay (including instructions etc) completely sorted.

Understood Benn, but it got the gameplay stamp ages ago. All it needs now are graphics and XML.

Graphics have gone round in circles for the past 4-5 updates. Every time I post a version, someone complains about a certain graphic aspect, I change it, someone different complains about what I just changed. Do you remember the whole "colour" problem? Three months. Three months of changing shades and hues. Brightness = 60%... WAY too dark. Brightness = 62% WAY too light. I think the only reason people stopped complaining about the colours was because even they got sick of bringing it up time and time again.

I still don't see what the problem was with this version:



Sure, the port icons need to be displayed somewhere, I'm thinking get rid of the impassables and one-way attacks, since they're self explanatory. Mind you, the moment I ditch them someone will have a whinge. Really, it's pissing in the wind IMO. When you look at the problems with so many of the maps that have already been quenched, it makes you wonder why I'm copping so much flak. Let's have a look at some of the glaring problems with maps that have recently made it through:

Castle Lands - The NW continent is two different colours, neither of which corresponds to the legend. Walls are listed as impassable, but can they attack each other or the castle or vice versa? Who knows...
Indian Empire - 'Ahmed.' province isn't the full name of the province, I am copping flak over Transantarctic being shortened to 'Trans.', and Pine Island being abbreviated to 'Pine Is.' Why is it fine on one map, and not another?
WWI Ottoman Empire - Ottoman Europe = +2 bonus, and it -isn't- a coded neutral start? France + Italy (both neutral) = +2, Ottoman Europe (which can drop / be taken 1st round) = +2. Huh?
San Marino - The border between Fiorentino and Ca'Rigo is almost imperceptable. Is it even there, or is it blocked by mountains?

These are legitimate complaints to do with gameplay and visibility issues, yet the maps have passed through the Foundry unabated.

I honestly have limited time for this sort of thing now. Working on something for 3-4 hours, just to have some random come along and piss all over it in a few sentences, like what has happened in the past, simply doesn't do it for me. I've made so many concessions on the map, and the Foundry have made none. Your call guys... I've had enough of dealing with the fickle to-and-fro of people's opinions on the way it looks...

e_i_pi wrote:Welp, so long as the precedent has been set to post minority group sexiness, here's a minority group that truly is bangin'...









...and, as usual, one for the ladies...

e_i_pi wrote:

RADAGA wrote:12x10 ending as 4x9

Not possible dude, you're telling porkies again. How do you lose 8 armies, and your opponent loses 1, when 2 armies are lost per round? Did you roll four and a half times?

e_i_pi wrote:I nominate BrucesWar... he's man enough to fill both roles

e_i_pi wrote:Nice one. Would have had more impact if you had simply quoted my first post though I think

e_i_pi wrote:

lanyards wrote:For 3 games? I can find 50 users who joined 3+ games with noobs. I thought you had to join mostly noob games.

They found the games after Alstergen posted this...

"Nice catch. Now the 10 000 dollar question is, who will quickly snap up and join the three open games for the free points?"

...in this thread. It's common knowledge that one of the potential points-scumming exploits to come out of "multi's getting kicked from games" is to join the games just before they get busted. They knew what they were doing, the three of them. They've all been hanging around C+A for the past month.

Hoagy: 22 posts in the last month
Renegades: 12 posts in the last month
Juventino: 72 posts in the last month

I mean, seriously, this post came IMMEDIATELY after the one quoted above...

juventino wrote:

alstergren wrote:Nice catch. Now the 10 000 dollar question is, who will quickly snap up and join the three open games for the free points?

no-one? then I will do it =)

Guilty as sin

e_i_pi wrote:

jefjef wrote:Ha ha ha ha ha .. Oh I do step on toes at times... But any way... This is my 3rd multi file... The 1st two were also questioned.. They seemed obvious to me.... If I'm wrong an apology wiil be issued.. And hogie.. your unfoed... It's just I have buttons to click & keyboards to play with.. I do need to be "nicer" to the many good folk in CC....

Nah, it looks like a multi to me, just hard to prove. You know what the mods are like round here... innocent unless owenshooter

e_i_pi wrote:Hang em by the balls I say

e_i_pi wrote:The whole annoyance-bot thing is a double-whammy at the moment. Not only are captcha-recognising bots better, but there's also a rash of real 'users' from China who are creating accounts for heavens knows what purpose on phpBB3 forums. I'm having to delete a fake user about once a week on my forums, and my site barely rates on the register

e_i_pi wrote:

caymanmew wrote:

Dancing Mustard wrote:

caymanmew wrote:most likely something gonna happen like more new people in that area

That post makes literally no sense.

sorry let me say it differently
most likely there will be some new disscoion mods

Where's my free disscoion mods?

e_i_pi wrote:

Strife wrote:Actually, purposely prolonging a game is holding them hostage.

True Strife, entirely true. When I first saw this thread I thought "Wow, isn't this something coded got a stern warning over before, and someone else recently sailed into dangerous waters doing". Then I looked in the game. It was a freemium holding a premium hostage. Premiums have unlimited games, so it wasn't affecting the hostage so much as the hostage taker! It still is a prick of a thing to do, but in contrast to a freemium being held hostage, it hardly bears water.

4myGod wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Girls_1_Cup

e_i_pi wrote:

4myGod wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Girls_1_Cup

You realise that's only the wiki page?

Yes, this one definitely has to go. I shat bricks

e_i_pi wrote:

4myGod wrote:http://english.aljazeera.net/

nagerous wrote:Thanks pimpdave, I love eipi's posts now I can find them all in one thread.

clapper011 wrote:

nagerous wrote:Thanks pimpdave, I love eipi's posts now I can find them all in one thread.

lol I found it interesting that he has so much time to find all these quotes........ but I also at times find pimpdaves posts rather annoying , yet funny at times... more so then reading some of these story book paragraphs of some members.

pimpdave wrote:

clapper011 wrote:

nagerous wrote:Thanks pimpdave, I love eipi's posts now I can find them all in one thread.

lol I found it interesting that he has so much time to find all these quotes........ but I also at times find pimpdaves posts rather annoying , yet funny at times... more so then reading some of these story book paragraphs of some members.

It took me like 5 minutes guys... just search his posts, then quote them, copy and paste into the thread.

Whatever, I'm just trying to help eipi out. He was asking for the help.

clapper011 wrote: was only teasing you...although the "puking" pictures were rather disgustingly annoying, you have to admit that one!

clapper011 wrote:

pimpdave wrote:

clapper011 wrote:

nagerous wrote:Thanks pimpdave, I love eipi's posts now I can find them all in one thread.

lol I found it interesting that he has so much time to find all these quotes........ but I also at times find pimpdaves posts rather annoying , yet funny at times... more so then reading some of these story book paragraphs of some members.

It took me like 5 minutes guys... just search his posts, then quote them, copy and paste into the thread.

Whatever, I'm just trying to help eipi out. He was asking for the help.

was only teasing you...although the "puking" pictures were rather disgustingly annoying, you have to admit that one!

pimpdave wrote:

clapper011 wrote:

nagerous wrote:Thanks pimpdave, I love eipi's posts now I can find them all in one thread.

lol I found it interesting that he has so much time to find all these quotes........ but I also at times find pimpdaves posts rather annoying , yet funny at times... more so then reading some of these story book paragraphs of some members.

It took me like 5 minutes guys... just search his posts, then quote them, copy and paste into the thread.

Whatever, I'm just trying to help eipi out. He was asking for the help.