Middle East Version 2.0 [Done]

Spiegelprime · Post by **Spiegelprime** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:03 pm

Here's the new version of the map, 6 continents, Jerusalem not Israel or Palestine, 42 territories and revised bonus numbers. What say you?

edit: after discussion with lackattack, the final verdict on the most infamous territory, the name is Israel and Palestinian Terr. Now we can all move on.

YP_Legend · Post by **YP_Legend** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:34 pm

Are the bolder dark lines barriers between the respective continents :?:

Also if i may ask, what did you use for your editor :?:

Looks very interesting & playable so far :!:

Nice idea for a map :!:

YP

Spiegelprime · Post by **Spiegelprime** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:44 pm

The darker brown lines are uncrossable mountains (I should have made that clear) and the editor I used...MS Paint. Gotta love the simplicity!

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:05 pm

Dont mean to be picky, but the country is called Israel, not Jerusalem.

hockeycapn · Post by **hockeycapn** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:00 pm

I told you you couldn't please everyone. mikey6rocker check the last post of this to get your answer.

Spiegelprime · Post by **Spiegelprime** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:14 pm

I'm about to call it "That place that Shall Not Be Named"...

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:43 pm

This map isnt alike the classic risk map. You have no continents with 12 countries like Asia, nor continents with only one border country, like Oceania. This map is different, more balanced, but I dont know if its a good idea.

A tip to you: if you want a map more alike the classic, make a table of each continent that includes number of countries, countries in border, frontiers between countries in same continent, and frontiers between countries of continent and countries of different continents.

I did such table for Classic map already. If you want, use it as a refference.
(ps: each frontier is counted twice; Brazil - Argentina and Argentina - Brazil, for example)

1) North America (9 countries):
Total border countries: 3
Total frontiers same cont: 31
Total frontiers other cont: 3

2) South America (4 countries):
Total border countries: 2
Total frontiers same cont: 10
Total frontiers other cont: 2

3) Africa (6 countries):
Total border countries: 3
Total frontiers same cont: 18
Total frontiers other cont: 5

4) Europe (7 countries):
Total border countries: 4
Total frontiers same cont: 22
Total frontiers other cont: 8

5) Asia (12 countries):
Total border countries: 5
Total frontiers same cont: 42
Total frontiers other cont: 8

6) Oceania (4 countries):
Total border countries: 1
Total frontiers same cont: 10
Total frontiers other cont: 1

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:06 am

no, you guys arnt getting it. WE are not talking about pleasing anyone im just trying to be geographically correct, there is no country called palestine or called jerusalem, the country is called israel. this game is about taking over countries, not names of places.

supermarcol · Post by **supermarcol** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:43 am

ok... but Kamchatka isnt the name of a country, yet its on the classic map. And if you look at Canada you'll find that its missing and instead 3 provinces (out of 7) and 1 territory (out of 3) are taking the place. See its not trying to be perfectly geographicaly correct, its trying to be playable. Who cares if its called qsklheakoc. They named it Jerusalem because there was a lot of bickering about if it should be Israel or Palestine. So its Jerusalem instead, everyone is pleased. Voila!

Spiegelprime · Post by **Spiegelprime** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:40 am

Yeah, if you want to get 'techincal' half the place on this map are no countries, just names I made up from regions within countries. The fact of the matter is the place you insist on calling Israel is made up of the State of Israel, the Palesinian Territories of Gaza and the West Bank. Thus it isn't just Israel. And if you look back into history, the fact is that up until the British took it over after World War I, it was called Jerusalem, the Independant Sanjak of Jerusalem. This game isn't about taking over 'countries' persay, as much as made up territories, not that the large majority of the countries in this region had their borders drawn by foriegn powers anyway, the real lines are just as irrelivant as the ones I made. So don't be so picky about what I called it, I was trying to avoid pissing off both sides of debate that has gripped this region for over 50 years, calling it Jerusalem was a compromise that seemed to fit better than having an overly long name like 'Israel and the Occupied Palestine Territories' or something.

thegrimsleeper · Post by **thegrimsleeper** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:44 pm

Marvaddin, I thought the whole point of doing up new maps is so we have something to play on that's NOT exactly the same as the Classic board.

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:43 pm

i see your point, it is just that with maps such as canada or us, there is no names of countries because the entire game takes place in 1 country, and in classic, it is about continents not countrys so things are named by area. But in this map it is about countries, all little countries are named, so i was just saying that one of the countries is miss named. It is not called jerusalem or palestine. when you look on a map it says Israel.

Ereandil · Post by **Ereandil** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:10 pm

I hope they put the map up soon !!! Looks like fun.

Jerusalem ... I geuss is fitting since this a game of conquest. And that city has been conquered something like 47 times in its history. Rebuilt numerous times. It does epitomize this game.

In Hebrew it is just called "The Land" Ha'Erev.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:30 pm

thegrimsleeper,

I agree with you, the new maps shouldnt be a copy of the classic, but the classic should be studied, so its an idea of what to do alike it or different.

Spiegelprime · Post by **Spiegelprime** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:23 am

marv,

You make an interesting point, but the fun of some new maps is to get not only new scenery but a whole new playing experience. My very first version of this map, I thought in terms of the classic map but it evolved into something totally new.

PS: I've set up the .XLM file for the large version, I have to shrink it down and place the numbers and this pup will be playable (if lack approves!)

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:29 am

Sweet! I can't wait to play! I love all these new maps!

medwards · Post by **medwards** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:04 am

why dont you just call the israell/palestine country kaboom???

Spiegelprime · Post by **Spiegelprime** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:17 pm

That...wasn't cool Matt....

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:56 pm

yeah, thta was really dumb. Whay dont you just make the name Israel/Palestine, there is an ocean right next to it so its not like the name cant fit.

lackattack · Post by **lackattack** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:42 am

Great job, Spiegelprime

Your map is the first to be approved. It's live as of 5 minutes ago. I can't wait to try it out

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:05 am

... and the password is.... ?

benmor78 · Post by **benmor78** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:56 am

In playing the map, Istanbul apparently can't be attacked from anywhere and Uzbekistan can only be attacked from Kabul.

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:17 am

Hooray for new maps! I've got a 6 man game wiating for more players

Pedronicus · Post by **Pedronicus** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:24 am

Why isn't there a fleet of American Aircraft carriers in each of the surrounding seas?

fraggle · Post by **fraggle** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:57 am

I'm very excited about the new map. Thanks Spiegelprime (and, as always, Lackattack) for making it. Sorry a few people are bickering over place names and such instead of playing the game.

It appears that right now Uzbekistan can't be attacked by Turkmenistan.

Lucky Uzbekistanis, I'll get you somehow...

Middle East Version 2.0 [Done]

Middle East Version 2.0 [Done]

not bad, not bad at all.....................

Can't attack