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McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:26 pm
by DaGip
I don't care who you are, you have to admit that McCain is totally unelectable!
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Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:50 pm
by snow_lynx
I disagree. Based on character alone, he is a far superior candidate. I believe him to be genuine, and honest as well as experienced in the political arena. Lets not even mention that he is more to the middle than is Obama, who may also be honest and have good character, but lets face it, his overly liberal agenda simply is not American mainstream enough to get him elected. The fact that he seems to have Iranian support is bothersome to me.
Down the shit tube with Obama!
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:41 pm
by danodukebb
f off snow lynx Obama will actually bring some change, mccain even admited we'd be in iraq for 100+ years if he was in office and starting a new war with iran, we dont need that shit
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:19 pm
by muy_thaiguy
danodukebb wrote:f off snow lynx Obama will actually bring some change, mccain even admited we'd be in iraq for 100+ years if he was in office and starting a new war with iran, we dont need that shit
It's called an example. And the only "change" Obama is bringing is his age, everything else is the same (though far more liberal then moderate). A politician is a politician.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:22 pm
by Joodoo
dano's right, McCain's a warmonger and Obama doesn't seem to be one...
I still don't see why McCain would run for president when he has skin cancer?
Maybe because the Republican party is practically useles...
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:26 pm
by danodukebb
the republican party has no function but to spread fear and hate to other countries much like who....right terrorists...
i dont want more hatemongering terrorists like bush in office i know that much
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:27 pm
by danodukebb
and muythaiguy Obama would be so much more change than just his age, do you know ANYTHING about his platforms and what he's going to change in politics...there is such a big difference then the religious right and Obama...
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:32 pm
by The Fuzzy Pengui
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:33 pm
by muy_thaiguy
danodukebb wrote:and muythaiguy Obama would be so much more change than just his age, do you know ANYTHING about his platforms and what he's going to change in politics...there is such a big difference then the religious right and Obama...
Tell me his "changes" then. And then show me the "changes" he was going to have for his election, but ended up doing the same thing as any other politician has. This seems to either be ignored by many Obama supporters, or they are too mesmerized by his speeches about "change" and "hope" to even notice these things. Fact his, he is another politician.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:38 pm
by ParadiceCity9
McCain hates Asians.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:44 pm
by snow_lynx
danodukebb wrote:and muythaiguy Obama would be so much more change than just his age, do you know ANYTHING about his platforms and what he's going to change in politics...there is such a big difference then the religious right and Obama...
Honestly, if you believe that anything will change, you are fairly misled. Its pretty clear that Obama is pandering to the leftists of this country. the video clip that you saw is a clip that was put together by a leftist agenda, of leftists and simply hammered away on one topic. The war in Iraq. Give me a break! We are going to be there for a while, and we should be. To pull out of there now would be the biggest "tuck tail and run" bullshit that the US has ever pulled.
McCain will be far more likely to unite the nation with regards to putting bipartisan politics aside and working to reach across the isle to get things done, including energy plans that will actually get implemented. This is to me more likely to put an end to the war in Iraq than anything else.
I heard that those in Venezuela are paying something like 14 cents per gallon for gas. They drill and produce their own. Perhaps its time that we follow suit and make the efforts to tap into out own natural resources. Stop funding the bastards that would behead us as we line up at the pumps, forking our cash over so some fucking Saudi royalty can shit on a golden toilet seat.
As for Iran, I say lets hit them and hit them hard... now. You can play the "look at the monkey, we're not making nukes!!!" game that Ahmadinejad is playing, but I don't buy it. Like it or not, America is hated for its leadership around the globe. You can go and hug up to our enemies if you think it will make them love you more, but I think we should be plotting their demise before they plot ours.
Wanna play some one on one world domination?
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:47 pm
by HapSmo19
danodukebb wrote:and muythaiguy Obama would be so much more change than just his age, do you know ANYTHING about his platforms and what he's going to change in politics...there is such a big difference then the religious right and Obama...
You need a "I Voted Obama" tattoo on your face so you can be easily identified as "responsible for change".

Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:47 pm
by snow_lynx
The Fuzzy Pengui wrote::lol:

silly liberals
actually, it appears that there isn't a "good" candidate (IMO), so I will be selecting the lesser of two evils (McCain).
Besides, who wants Jimmy Carter Jr., someone who's went to 57 states (not a type...it was in a speech), someone who is for abortion and homosexuality....need I continue, because I could

muy_thaiguy wrote:Tell me his "changes" then. And then show me the "changes" he was going to have for his election, but ended up doing the same thing as any other politician has. This seems to either be ignored by many Obama supporters, or they are too mesmerized by his speeches about "change" and "hope" to even notice these things. Fact his, he is another politician.
Yes indeed. These posts sum it up pretty well.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:08 pm
by MeDeFe
I voted that McCain is a Geek-hater.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:10 pm
by muy_thaiguy
ParadiceCity9 wrote:McCain hates Asians.
Asians hate Asians.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:37 pm
by DRoZ
snow_lynx wrote:I disagree. Based on character alone, he is a far superior candidate. I believe him to be genuine, and honest as well as experienced in the political arena. Lets not even mention that he is more to the middle than is Obama, who may also be honest and have good character, but lets face it, his overly liberal agenda simply is not American mainstream enough to get him elected. The fact that he seems to have Iranian support is bothersome to me.
Down the shit tube with Obama!
You best be trollin... McCain's character?!? Here's a few examples...
During his time in the POW camp in 1969 his first wife (Carol) was severely injured in a car wreck after over 6 months of life-saving surgery (which Ross Perot paid for btw, also someone who would have made a far better president than any of the choices we have today), she was able to make due by herself although it would be in a wheelchair with a catheter and around 6 inches shorter. In 1973 he was release and was "overjoyed to see carol again". Yet when he saw his wife, now overweight and bound to a wheelchair, friends say he was appalled at what had happened to his wife. At this time Robert (a fellow graduate of Annapolis, who wrote a biography on McCain) said "John started carousing and running around with women" which McCain has acknowledged that he had girlfriends during this time. It was in 1979 that he met Cindy, his present wife, while still married to Carol. He flew around the country to see her and began to push for a divorce. This came as a shock to Carol and even the First Family the Reagan's, who through Ross Perot befriended John and Carol. He then married Cindy in 1980, just one month after his divorce. He got a new job from his new father-in-law, Jim Hensley, a multi-millionaire with political connections that enabled his political career.
Fast forward a little over 10 years and McCain's political career is in full swing and Cindy had wound up casting a bad light on McCain with her painkiller addiction, and the always comforting and understanding McCain publicly answers this by calling her a "trollop and cunt"
In 1998 during a republican dinner he tells this joke... “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.” Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying Chelsea is a beauty queen, but how much character does that joke reflect?
These are just a few things I have found, give me a little time I am sure I can find more...
Now after all of this don't assume I am a Obama supporter, I can assure you I am not. In my opinion both of these candidates are awful, I was a Ron Paul supporter. This election shouldn't come as a shock to anyone, in the last few elections it has been full of terrible candidates, why should this year be any different.
I guess I am just saying that genuine and honest aren't the first two words that come to mind when I think about the "maverick"
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:46 pm
by comic boy
The Fuzzy Pengui wrote::lol:

silly liberals
actually, it appears that there isn't a "good" candidate (IMO), so I will be selecting the lesser of two evils (McCain).
Besides, who wants Jimmy Carter Jr., someone who's went to 57 states (not a type...it was in a speech), someone who is for abortion and homosexuality....need I continue, because I could

You mean that he is not against homesexuality and abortion , probably doesnt speak in tongues or wrestle demons either !
If you want to drag the USA out of the toilet bowl you better stop mixing religion and politics , you know just like your precious constitution advises

Whatever one may find in the bible it will not be the means to effectively run a modern nation, you cant live by laws that were designed for tent dwellers 3000 years ago.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:55 pm
by DRoZ
The Fuzzy Pengui wrote::lol:

silly liberals
actually, it appears that there isn't a "good" candidate (IMO), so I will be selecting the lesser of two evils (McCain).
Besides, who wants Jimmy Carter Jr., someone who's went to 57 states (not a type...it was in a speech), someone who is for abortion and homosexuality....need I continue, because I could

Hey, it turns out that McCain is a fan of homosexuality as well, check out 109th Congress / Senate / 2nd session / Vote 163 on June 7, 2006. Now I personally don't care about the whole gay / gay marriage issue, but I figure since you brought it up...
About the abortion bit, it turns out that the maverick is for fetal tissue research, he also voted Yea on HR 3010 which was a bill that appropriated taxpayer funds for abortions...
The Obama speech with the part about 57 states was hilarious though, also the one where he completely forgets his lines and stammers for about 5 mins. I have seen Bush give a better speech.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:09 pm
by snow_lynx
DRoZ wrote:You best be trollin... McCain's character?!? Here's a few examples...
During his time in the POW camp in 1969 his first wife (Carol) was severely injured in a car wreck after over 6 months of life-saving surgery (which Ross Perot paid for btw, also someone who would have made a far better president than any of the choices we have today), she was able to make due by herself although it would be in a wheelchair with a catheter and around 6 inches shorter. In 1973 he was release and was "overjoyed to see carol again". Yet when he saw his wife, now overweight and bound to a wheelchair, friends say he was appalled at what had happened to his wife. At this time Robert (a fellow graduate of Annapolis, who wrote a biography on McCain) said "John started carousing and running around with women" which McCain has acknowledged that he had girlfriends during this time. It was in 1979 that he met Cindy, his present wife, while still married to Carol. He flew around the country to see her and began to push for a divorce. This came as a shock to Carol and even the First Family the Reagan's, who through Ross Perot befriended John and Carol. He then married Cindy in 1980, just one month after his divorce. He got a new job from his new father-in-law, Jim Hensley, a multi-millionaire with political connections that enabled his political career.
Fast forward a little over 10 years and McCain's political career is in full swing and Cindy had wound up casting a bad light on McCain with her painkiller addiction, and the always comforting and understanding McCain publicly answers this by calling her a "trollop and cunt"
In 1998 during a republican dinner he tells this joke... “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.” Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying Chelsea is a beauty queen, but how much character does that joke reflect?
These are just a few things I have found, give me a little time I am sure I can find more...
Now after all of this don't assume I am a Obama supporter, I can assure you I am not. In my opinion both of these candidates are awful, I was a Ron Paul supporter. This election shouldn't come as a shock to anyone, in the last few elections it has been full of terrible candidates, why should this year be any different.
I guess I am just saying that genuine and honest aren't the first two words that come to mind when I think about the "maverick"
Hey, thats pretty cool... is that anything like getting a blow job in the oval office?
Lets face it, if you aren't aware that absolute power corrupts absolutely, then you aren't paying attention. Political leader, war hero, pow... what ever. Have fun digging up shit on McCain, but do spend some time digging up shit on Obama too. I would be willing that Obama's pile isn't as tall as McCain's, but if you account for age, they are probably pretty close.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:10 pm
by DRoZ
snow_lynx wrote:danodukebb wrote:and muythaiguy Obama would be so much more change than just his age, do you know ANYTHING about his platforms and what he's going to change in politics...there is such a big difference then the religious right and Obama...
Honestly, if you believe that anything will change, you are fairly misled. Its pretty clear that Obama is pandering to the leftists of this country. the video clip that you saw is a clip that was put together by a leftist agenda, of leftists and simply hammered away on one topic. The war in Iraq. Give me a break! We are going to be there for a while, and we should be. To pull out of there now would be the biggest "tuck tail and run" bullshit that the US has ever pulled.
McCain will be far more likely to unite the nation with regards to putting bipartisan politics aside and working to reach across the isle to get things done, including energy plans that will actually get implemented. This is to me more likely to put an end to the war in Iraq than anything else.
I heard that those in Venezuela are paying something like 14 cents per gallon for gas. They drill and produce their own. Perhaps its time that we follow suit and make the efforts to tap into out own natural resources. Stop funding the bastards that would behead us as we line up at the pumps, forking our cash over so some fucking Saudi royalty can shit on a golden toilet seat.
As for Iran, I say lets hit them and hit them hard... now. You can play the "look at the monkey, we're not making nukes!!!" game that Ahmadinejad is playing, but I don't buy it. Like it or not, America is hated for its leadership around the globe. You can go and hug up to our enemies if you think it will make them love you more, but I think we should be plotting their demise before they plot ours.
Wanna play some one on one world domination?
For your first point... Remember vietnam?
I might agree with you about the bipartisanship, it seems as though he has more democratic friends than republicans...
Oh and his great energy solutions? Like the "battery" competition? Are you being serious?
As for your last paragraph, please tell me you are in some sort of military and not just playing chickenhawk... I spent my 4 years in the US Navy and I wouldn't even think to make a "let's hit them and hit them hard" remark unless I was the first man across enemy lines.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:16 pm
by DRoZ
snow_lynx wrote:
Hey, thats pretty cool... is that anything like getting a blow job in the oval office?
Lets face it, if you aren't aware that absolute power corrupts absolutely, then you aren't paying attention. Political leader, war hero, pow... what ever. Have fun digging up shit on McCain, but do spend some time digging up shit on Obama too. I would be willing that Obama's pile isn't as tall as McCain's, but if you account for age, they are probably pretty close.
You are the one who was touting McCain's character, I was just letting you know how wrong you are.
As for Obama... I think he is worthless as well, but my dislike for him will have to be told at a later time.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:36 pm
by snow_lynx
DRoZ wrote:You are the one who was touting McCain's character, I was just letting you know how wrong you are.
As for Obama... I think he is worthless as well, but my dislike for him will have to be told at a later time.
All I am saying is that from a political and policy stand point, I think that McCain is more realistic and more open about what he intends to do. I think the whole Iraq thing sucks. It was wrong to go in there in the first place. But we are there now, regardless. To yank our troops out of there would be a mistake. The big O is too far to the left for me.
As for character, well, I think that we all have character flaws. Having a failed marriage after you were a POW is kinda circumstantial, don't you think? Well, you were never a pow so I guess that you wouldn't know what it would be like, would you. Anyway, America will have yet another second rate president, no matter how you look at it. I guess we should be thankful that we didn't end up with Hillary in there.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:37 pm
by Simon Viavant
snow_lynx wrote:danodukebb wrote:and muythaiguy Obama would be so much more change than just his age, do you know ANYTHING about his platforms and what he's going to change in politics...there is such a big difference then the religious right and Obama...
Honestly, if you believe that anything will change, you are fairly misled. Its pretty clear that Obama is pandering to the leftists of this country. the video clip that you saw is a clip that was put together by a leftist agenda, of leftists and simply hammered away on one topic. The war in Iraq. Give me a break! We are going to be there for a while, and we should be. To pull out of there now would be the biggest "tuck tail and run" bullshit that the US has ever pulled.
McCain will be far more likely to unite the nation with regards to putting bipartisan politics aside and working to reach across the isle to get things done, including energy plans that will actually get implemented. This is to me more likely to put an end to the war in Iraq than anything else.
I heard that those in Venezuela are paying something like 14 cents per gallon for gas. They drill and produce their own. Perhaps its time that we follow suit and make the efforts to tap into out own natural resources. Stop funding the bastards that would behead us as we line up at the pumps, forking our cash over so some fucking Saudi royalty can shit on a golden toilet seat.
As for Iran, I say lets hit them and hit them hard... now. You can play the "look at the monkey, we're not making nukes!!!" game that Ahmadinejad is playing, but I don't buy it. Like it or not, America is hated for its leadership around the globe. You can go and hug up to our enemies if you think it will make them love you more, but I think we should be plotting their demise before they plot ours.
Wanna play some one on one world domination?
We need a new poll for this one.
He is:
A) Joking
B) Trolling
C) Nobunaga's multi
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:41 pm
by Neoteny
Another glorious DaGip poll.
Re: McCain is Unelectable
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:56 pm
by apey