Conquer Club

How do you make poor people richer?

by 'richer', I mean (a) in terms of wealth, (b) utility, or (c) whatever you think.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

by 'richer', I mean (a) in terms of wealth, (b) utility, or (c) whatever you think.

If "richer" has an (a), (b), and (c).....does "poor" also have an (a), (b), and (c)? Or just an (a)?

Give them jobs and education.

eat the rich

PLAYER57832 wrote:Give them jobs and education.

"Give them" you say?

By reducing regulations and expanding the roles of free markets in all parts of the impoverished people's lives.

thegreekdog wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Give them jobs and education.

"Give them" you say?

Yeah...that doesn't really sound fair to the poor working schmucks who have to sacrifice to pay for their child's education....

mrswdk wrote:By reducing regulations and expanding the roles of free markets in all parts of the impoverished people's lives.

Word. Along with the change of mindset that a belief in the Christian God brings, as Matthew Parris wrote regarding the situation in Africa:
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/3502-matthew-parris-as-an-atheist-i-truly-believe-africa-needs-god

Matthew Parris wrote:Those who want Africa to walk tall amid 21st-century global competition must not kid themselves that providing the material means or even the knowhow that accompanies what we call development will make the change. A whole belief system must first be supplanted.

And I'm afraid it has to be supplanted by another. Removing Christian evangelism from the African equation may leave the continent at the mercy of a malign fusion of Nike, the witch doctor, the mobile phone and the machete.

inb4 give them money/tax the rich/more government vs. make them earn the money/lower taxes/less government

If it was that easy, there wouldn't be any poor people now would there?

Provide two simple things:

- Provide for them the opportunity, free of significant barriers, to become "not poor" or, ideally, "rich". This includes removing the protectionism so common with the modern "rich"
- Ensure that all children, regardless of the poor decision making capacity of their parents, can eat well, maintain good health and experience equivilent levels of education to children who have good decision making parents

I would also suggest trying to establish a culture where we don't subsidise intelligence and ambition (or greed if you will) so heavily, but that's in the too hard basket for now (and not something that can be centrally planned nor will it come from the free market in its current form).

Ending corruption might help.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 80135.html

According to the World Bank, corruption in the form of bribery and theft by government officials, the main target of the UN Convention, costs developing countries between $20bn and $40bn each year. That's a lot of money. But it's an extremely small proportion - only about 3 percent - of the total illicit flows that leak out of public coffers. On the other hand, multinational companies steal more than $900bn from developing countries each year through tax evasion and other illicit practices.

Eat the poor.







Problem solved.

notyou2 wrote:Eat the poor.







Problem solved.

Good answer, Mr. Swift.

DoomYoshi wrote:

notyou2 wrote:Eat the poor.







Problem solved.

Good answer, Mr. Swift.

You may call me Jonathon

Metsfanmax wrote:Ending corruption might help.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 80135.html

According to the World Bank, corruption in the form of bribery and theft by government officials, the main target of the UN Convention, costs developing countries between $20bn and $40bn each year. That's a lot of money. But it's an extremely small proportion - only about 3 percent - of the total illicit flows that leak out of public coffers. On the other hand, multinational companies steal more than $900bn from developing countries each year through tax evasion and other illicit practices.

Maybe.

What percent is $40bn of the total wealth of developing countries? Like... <0.001%?

I'm more skeptical about that last estimate of $900bn. It could be the case that their governments allow them to do so. It's like a subsidy for preferred customers.

Army of GOD wrote:inb4 give them money/tax the rich/more government vs. make them earn the money/lower taxes/less government

If it was that easy, there wouldn't be any poor people now would there?

Yarp. It ain't that easy!

Lootifer wrote:Provide two simple things:

- Provide for them the opportunity, free of significant barriers, to become "not poor" or, ideally, "rich". This includes removing the protectionism so common with the modern "rich"
- Ensure that all children, regardless of the poor decision making capacity of their parents, can eat well, maintain good health and experience equivilent levels of education to children who have good decision making parents

I would also suggest trying to establish a culture where we don't subsidise intelligence and ambition (or greed if you will) so heavily, but that's in the too hard basket for now (and not something that can be centrally planned nor will it come from the free market in its current form).

-reduce barriers to trade? How?

- how? Dump more food on them?

What'chya mean with the underlined? "Subsidize greed"?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Lootifer wrote:Provide two simple things:

- Provide for them the opportunity, free of significant barriers, to become "not poor" or, ideally, "rich". This includes removing the protectionism so common with the modern "rich"
- Ensure that all children, regardless of the poor decision making capacity of their parents, can eat well, maintain good health and experience equivilent levels of education to children who have good decision making parents

I would also suggest trying to establish a culture where we don't subsidise intelligence and ambition (or greed if you will) so heavily, but that's in the too hard basket for now (and not something that can be centrally planned nor will it come from the free market in its current form).

-reduce barriers to trade? How? - Remove the fences around the garbage dumps

- how? Dump more food on them? - Transfer them all close to the garbage dumps

What'chya mean with the underlined? "Subsidize greed"? - We stop letting "the man" control the garbage dumps

My answers are after your 3 questions.

Trickle down effect got Milton Friedman nobel prize... for a total fu#¤K up idea!
By getting them real work, and a meaningful life!

notyou2 wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Lootifer wrote:Provide two simple things:

- Provide for them the opportunity, free of significant barriers, to become "not poor" or, ideally, "rich". This includes removing the protectionism so common with the modern "rich"
- Ensure that all children, regardless of the poor decision making capacity of their parents, can eat well, maintain good health and experience equivilent levels of education to children who have good decision making parents

I would also suggest trying to establish a culture where we don't subsidise intelligence and ambition (or greed if you will) so heavily, but that's in the too hard basket for now (and not something that can be centrally planned nor will it come from the free market in its current form).

-reduce barriers to trade? How? - Remove the fences around the garbage dumps

- how? Dump more food on them? - Transfer them all close to the garbage dumps

What'chya mean with the underlined? "Subsidize greed"? - We stop letting "the man" control the garbage dumps

My answers are after your 3 questions.

Haha, "let them eat garbage." Well done, notyou2. Your presidential position of the World Bank awaits you.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

notyou2 wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Lootifer wrote:Provide two simple things:

- Provide for them the opportunity, free of significant barriers, to become "not poor" or, ideally, "rich". This includes removing the protectionism so common with the modern "rich"
- Ensure that all children, regardless of the poor decision making capacity of their parents, can eat well, maintain good health and experience equivilent levels of education to children who have good decision making parents

I would also suggest trying to establish a culture where we don't subsidise intelligence and ambition (or greed if you will) so heavily, but that's in the too hard basket for now (and not something that can be centrally planned nor will it come from the free market in its current form).

-reduce barriers to trade? How? - Remove the fences around the garbage dumps

- how? Dump more food on them? - Transfer them all close to the garbage dumps

What'chya mean with the underlined? "Subsidize greed"? - We stop letting "the man" control the garbage dumps

My answers are after your 3 questions.

Haha, "let them eat garbage." Well done, notyou2. Your presidential position of the World Bank awaits you.

Do I get to make unwanted sexual advances to hotel cleaning staff?

It depends on the hotel's policies, sir.

I suppose increase the general wealth of society. What is considered poor changes on time and place.

Give them the rich peoples money, obviously.

Please be more precise as to what is meant by 'poor people'.