Vertex/Austrum [Quenched]

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:24 am

Map Name:Coelus: Vertex
Mapmaker(s):koontz1973
Number of Territories:50+
Special Features:TBD
What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made:Nothing what so ever, but the community decides these things.

Map Image:
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Normal territory bonuses. +1 for every 3 territs.
Bonuses consist of holding 3 territories in any region +1
Boreus, Supernas and Aquilonius territories all start as 3 neutral. All decay by one every turn held.
Arctous (part of winning condition) starts as 10 neutrals.
Hold Arctous and 15 territories for on round to win.
42 starting territories with a random drop. No positions to be programmed.
9 neutrals programmed in.
Arctous - 10
Boreus 1/2 - 3
Supernas 1/2 - 3
Aquilonius 1/2/3/4 - 3
2 players - 14
3 players - 14
4 players - 10
5 players - 8
6 players - 7
7 players - 6
8 players - 5
9 players - 4
10 players - 4
11 players - 3
12 players - 3
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Map Name:Coelus: Austrum
Mapmaker(s):koontz1973
Number of Territories:48
Special Features:TBD
What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made:Nothing what so ever, but the community decides these things.

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generalhead · Post by **generalhead** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:56 am

Cool looking map!

nolefan5311 · Post by **nolefan5311** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:35 am

I agree. This looks good.

Seamus76 · Post by **Seamus76** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:51 am

Looking good Koontz. Nice and simple with great color combinations. I'll look more into it for some gameplay comments, but I really like where your skills are going. This one has a little Natty feel to it. G-d rest his CC soul.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:44 am

generalhead wrote:Cool looking map!

nolefan5311 wrote:I agree. This looks good.

Seamus76 wrote:Looking good Koontz. Nice and simple with great color combinations. I'll look more into it for some gameplay comments, but I really like where your skills are going. This one has a little Natty feel to it. G-d rest his CC soul.

Thanks guys, but I think it has more of a Tisha feel to it than natty although it has some of the same design eliments about it that natty had on Eurasia.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:15 pm

I like this map more so than some of the other ideas you've been kicking around, so hopefully you'll keep on the development path.

--Andy

sannemanrobinson · Post by **sannemanrobinson** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:38 pm

Looks promising. There will be a lot of starting neutrals to prevent the winning condition to apply in round 2?

I would not mention the minimum amount of troups (3). Instead it is important to mention if the normal territory bonus (4 for 12, 5 for 15, etc) does not count.

tkr4lf · Post by **tkr4lf** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:08 pm

Very nice, Koontz. I like the look and feel of this one.

And before I get told of by TK for not carrying on with Escape, I am but behind closed doors.

Hahaha, I'll shut up about it. Just knowing you're working on it is good enough for me.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:56 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I like this map more so than some of the other ideas you've been kicking around, so hopefully you'll keep on the development path.

--Andy

That's the thing, I throw a lot of ideas and some stick, some do not.

sannemanrobinson wrote:Looks promising. There will be a lot of starting neutrals to prevent the winning condition to apply in round 2?

I would not mention the minimum amount of troups (3). Instead it is important to mention if the normal territory bonus (4 for 12, 5 for 15, etc) does not count.

Neutrals in the first post now. Forgot to post the neutrals map. There will be no territ bonus. You get you 3 and any land bonus you can and that is it.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:03 am

Here is the next version. Not much done to it.

Brought out the glows some more to make it easier to see the different bonus regions.
Added the ships to the sea.
Sorted out placement of names and 888s.
Bridges sorted out.
Spacing of text in the gold circles.
[bigimg]http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3362/vertexz.png[/bigimg]

Come on guys, need 3 pages of comments before I can get this moved over for game play. :lol:

Teflon Kris · Post by **Teflon Kris** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:04 am

Nice style

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:06 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:Nice style

Mmmhm, I like it because it looks like you, Koontz, have pushed yourself to take on a whole new style, and I like that idea.

For random items:

So you just need to hold any 15 territories plus Arctous?

Those are assault routes that cross the ocean, yes? They almost look like you are dividing up the ocean a la Land and Sea or High Seas. But I like 'em.

The text of the legends, it'd be nice if you could add like a gold outline around the dark text, so if you wanted you could keep the dark and on dark, but add some sort of contrast to help readability, since the text itself is also a bit cryptic for reading already.

Best,

--Andy

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:52 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:Nice style

Thanks DJ. I try.

AndyDufresne wrote:Mmmhm, I like it because it looks like you, Koontz, have pushed yourself to take on a whole new style, and I like that idea.

For random items:

So you just need to hold any 15 territories plus Arctous?

Those are assault routes that cross the ocean, yes? They almost look like you are dividing up the ocean a la Land and Sea or High Seas. But I like 'em.

The text of the legends, it'd be nice if you could add like a gold outline around the dark text, so if you wanted you could keep the dark and on dark, but add some sort of contrast to help readability, since the text itself is also a bit cryptic for reading already.

Best,

--Andy

Never realised I had a style, what is it?

So you just need to hold any 15 territories plus Arctous?

Correct, Arctous is the key and has the 10 neutrals on it. It might seem small and easy, but bonuses should be small all through the game. Hold the entire red zone only gives 4. But you need to go through another 3 neutrals to get to the win.

Those are assault routes that cross the ocean, yes? They almost look like you are dividing up the ocean a la Land and Sea or High Seas. But I like 'em.
The text of the legends, it'd be nice if you could add like a gold outline around the dark text, so if you wanted you could keep the dark and on dark, but add some sort of contrast to help readability, since the text itself is also a bit cryptic for reading already.

I do like the sea routes, like most things on the map, subtle. As for the writing, already got a highlight on the text but I like the idea of gold better than mine. Will add today for you.

Thanks again guys. Need more from you lot, but if you like this one wait till the next one.
EDIT: Added the map.
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koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:44 am

Vertex.
Made to match Austrum.
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Austrum.
Added sea monsters.
Put exploratorum ships into legend so players know them.
Match to Vertex.
Added dragons.
[bigimg]http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6351/austrum.png[/bigimg]

sannemanrobinson · Post by **sannemanrobinson** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:17 pm

Austrum is looking at least as good as Vertex I think. If this becomes a series of pole maps then the theme is still a bit weak. Why is the pole so important that it is part of the winning condition? Is there oil/the holy grail?

Also the whale in Austrum is seen from the middle while the mountains and trees are all pointing to the top of the map. Maybe letting the mountains point from the middle to the outside of the circle works.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:26 pm

Nice idea about the mountains and trees. Never thought of that. Will add to my list of things to do. The idea has not been one of Poles but one of old maps. Like this

I was starting work on the Umbilicus map (equator) but need to slow down some. When these two are nearly finished I will get that one done but only after these are late in graphics.

generalhead · Post by **generalhead** » Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:50 pm

Usually on old maps they drew the monsters on the edge of the map in the unexplored territory. I like where you have them though, they look good.
The mountains on Vertex/ It4, It5 look a little strange to me. I don't know why. They are smaller than the rest of the mountains correct. They are non-functional mountains that cross horizontal between the two regions. I don't know. Looking good "boss man".

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:07 am

generalhead wrote:Usually on old maps they drew the monsters on the edge of the map in the unexplored territory. I like where you have them though, they look good.

The monsters are on the map (Austrum) to give it some life and to fill in some of the blanks. They need to be moved into better positions though.

generalhead wrote:The mountains on Vertex/ It4, It5 look a little strange to me. I don't know why. They are smaller than the rest of the mountains correct. They are non-functional mountains that cross horizontal between the two regions. I don't know. Looking good "boss man".

Mountains are being redrawn. Just in the process of doing Madrid today and looking for a mountain I like. I like these ones but feel they are not the best I can do so they will change.

sannemanrobinson wrote:Also the whale in Austrum is seen from the middle while the mountains and trees are all pointing to the top of the map. Maybe letting the mountains point from the middle to the outside of the circle works.

Been fiddling with this idea as I liked it. But when the mountains all pointed out, it looked weird. Changing the mountains today.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:50 am

Vertex
New mountains.
Played with territ lines.
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Austrum
New mountains.
Played with territ lines.
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generalhead · Post by **generalhead** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:21 am

The mountains look way better. The clumps of trees on Vertex/ OrT5, Mt2 might need to be a little thicker. If they looked like the ones on Austrum that would look good. Your heading for the Austrum map says vertex. You the man koontz, looking good.

nolefan5311 · Post by **nolefan5311** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:07 am

I think these are about ready to be moved to the Main Foundry Workshop. What do you think koontz?

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:16 am

generalhead wrote:The mountains look way better. The clumps of trees on Vertex/ OrT5, Mt2 might need to be a little thicker. If they looked like the ones on Austrum that would look good. Your heading for the Austrum map says vertex. You the man koontz, looking good.

Thanks GH, always nice to hear kind words. Will look at the woods later today.

nolefan5311 wrote:I think these are about ready to be moved to the Main Foundry Workshop. What do you think koontz?

Yes, but not yet please. Give it a few more posts (9 to be exact) to see if the community want these ones.

But if you want to comment on the game play now, go ahead.

generalhead · Post by **generalhead** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:33 am

On Austrum, For Asser Hastile and Sublica, it is hard to tell where one region starts and one ends. Could you highlight the inside of the also. It might not be neccesary because you have the territories labeled, I didn't know if it would help though. in the legend +1 for every three territories, the min 3 means minimum 3 correct. The h in hold for the win condition is a little funky, but it is legible. I wouldn't have know what an exploratorum was if you didn't have the picture there. I am glad it is there. All looks good buddy, the more I look at these maps, the more I want to play!

sannemanrobinson · Post by **sannemanrobinson** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:17 am

I'm still missing something in both maps, call it a theme or something to relate to. Are there inhabitants on these islands? Some villages and roads like on the Oasis map could show this.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:50 pm

generalhead wrote:On Austrum, For Asser Hastile and Sublica, it is hard to tell where one region starts and one ends. Could you highlight the inside of the also. It might not be neccesary because you have the territories labeled, I didn't know if it would help though. in the legend +1 for every three territories, the min 3 means minimum 3 correct. The h in hold for the win condition is a little funky, but it is legible. I wouldn't have know what an exploratorum was if you didn't have the picture there. I am glad it is there. All looks good buddy, the more I look at these maps, the more I want to play!

Thanks GH, will look at all points you mentioned tomorrow morning and see what I can do to improve things. The h, inner glows and wording. As you can see, I want the very minimum in the way of wording. The normal territory bonus was not part of the plan. What I wanted to do was to have just a bonus which increased slowly. Again, will have a think.

sannemanrobinson wrote:I'm still missing something in both maps, call it a theme or something to relate to. Are there inhabitants on these islands? Some villages and roads like on the Oasis map could show this.

I will look at putting in some settlements like the mountains and forests, but will not make them part of the game play. That will bring the life you are looking for.

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