Why are cheaters allowed to finish their games?

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:53 pm

If they are caught cheating, why then are they allowed to openly cheat in all their open games.

OR

here is a scenario, player A wants to take down player B, so they create two multi's and join a game where player B is waiting for players. both multi immediate focus on taking player B out of the game. now its obvious they are multi's but according to CC rules, they are allow to continue to cheat player B out of the game. the multi's are banned and player B loses a game. meanwhile player A has lost nothing and accomplished their goal of taking down player B.

does this make sense? no.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:56 pm

It's just to not ruin the game for everyone else. If they deadbeat, then it's no fun because you have to wait several days. And once they're gone, You don't have to worry about them anymore.

k7sw · Post by **k7sw** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:04 pm

Then kick them immediately?

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:26 pm

pancakemix wrote:It's just to not ruin the game for everyone else. If they deadbeat, then it's no fun because you have to wait several days. And once they're gone, You don't have to worry about them anymore.

uh yeah.. its also no fun to have play with a confirmed cheater or cheaters for the rest of the game.

the game should either be voided or the cheaters removed from the game.

alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:02 pm

the game should be deleted if all players consent, if not the game should continue. in my opinion. also if the cheats win no points should be transferred.

BeastofBurson · Post by **BeastofBurson** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:10 pm

why not give the win and points to the non cheaters and punish the cheaters with a loss of points?

alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:15 pm

they lose their account anyways so points no longer matter to them so it wouldnt reall be considered a punishment. but yes its still a better solution i think.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:37 pm

alex_white101 wrote:the game should be deleted if all players consent, if not the game should continue. in my opinion. also if the cheats win no points should be transferred.

why would the cheaters consent to the game being deleted?

alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:39 pm

well obviously they would have no say in the matter..........if they have been convicted of cheating they have no say in any matters to do with the site.

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:40 pm

Lack does have the power to delete games, I think I like the idea of killing a game with a confirmed cheater in it.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:33 pm

Madmartigan wrote:Lack does have the power to delete games, I think I like the idea of killing a game with a confirmed cheater in it.

Agreed

AAFitz · Post by **AAFitz** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:59 pm

they let it go, in case there was a mistake made...

if you got wrongly busted, which does happen, and they cancelled your game that you were winning, theres no way to undo that...

it stinks losing to cheaters...but consider it a tax on playing...there will always be a certain amount of losses from it...its just how it is..

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:46 pm

AAFitz wrote:they let it go, in case there was a mistake made...

if you got wrongly busted, which does happen, and they cancelled your game that you were winning, theres no way to undo that...

it stinks losing to cheaters...but consider it a tax on playing...there will always be a certain amount of losses from it...its just how it is..

im sure its the case that far more often do regular players get cheated out of points because confirmed cheaters are in the game THAN suspected but wrongly accused players who happen to be winning are cheated out of points because a game was cancelled.

it seem they are erring on the side of the cheaters, which shouldnt be the case, since many more people are screwed in the process.

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:00 am

The way I see it, if the game was compromised by cheating then its a dead game anyway. I would rather miss out on potential points than continue to waste my time on a "fixed" game.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:31 am

Madmartigan wrote:The way I see it, if the game was compromised by cheating then its a dead game anyway. I would rather miss out on potential points than continue to waste my time on a "fixed" game.

amen, i'd love to hear some mods weigh in on this

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:49 am

The reason it doesn't happen immediately is we sometimes make mistakes when busting people, after all, we are only human. So we wouldn't want to bust someone, kick them out of all games, then find out later they weren't a multi. We have a lot of tools at our disposal to determine multi accounts, but nothing is 100% foolproof. That's why all multis are allowed to appeal if they were wronged, provide any evidence they can, and we'll overturn it if a mistake was made. Busting a multi is somewhat like sentencing someone to death.... they're not killed immediately, they're put on death row and given a chance to appeal.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:58 pm

Plus, since Lack is the only one capable of deleting games, and with the amount of multis we bust each day... thats a lot of games. He would have to delete them all manually, and then he would never have time to do anything on the to-do list.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:50 pm

wicked wrote:The reason it doesn't happen immediately is we sometimes make mistakes when busting people, after all, we are only human. So we wouldn't want to bust someone, kick them out of all games, then find out later they weren't a multi. We have a lot of tools at our disposal to determine multi accounts, but nothing is 100% foolproof. That's why all multis are allowed to appeal if they were wronged, provide any evidence they can, and we'll overturn it if a mistake was made. Busting a multi is somewhat like sentencing someone to death.... they're not killed immediately, they're put on death row and given a chance to appeal.

but people on death row arn't allow to kill their cell mates with impunity. Cheaters however are allowed to continue cheating in all their open games. The analogy doesn't work.

Perhaps if the person doesn't appeal then any of the games they have won since being busted could be nulled.

Like i said before, the current system errs on the side of the busted cheater, and not the many more players who are and currently being cheated.

Luke035 · Post by **Luke035** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:00 pm

alex_white101 wrote:also if the cheats win no points should be transferred.

I agree with this idea. I was a victim of multis recently and they were busted long before the game was over... It was interesting that the three who were busted as multis were the last three players remaining in the game. Game #300466.

Classic_Katarn · Post by **Classic_Katarn** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:15 am

i think points should be given back if the multi account owners win (as often happens) i was in a three person game, me and a multi and bang there goes 20 some odd points.

Tarzanchuck · Post by **Tarzanchuck** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:34 pm

In any game I've ever played, once cheaters are revealed, the opposing person gets the win. The cheater is not allowed to play anymore PERIOD. This is the way it should be. Losing points to a cheater is total BS.

tahitiwahini · Post by **tahitiwahini** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:46 pm

When someone has been busted I would like to see him kicked out of any active games he is in just as if he had deadbeated. Of if that's not possible then the game should be canceled.

Dugcarr1 is still "playing" here...

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=323797

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:44 pm

tahitiwahini wrote:When someone has been busted I would like to see him kicked out of any active games he is in just as if he had deadbeated. Of if that's not possible then the game should be canceled.

Dugcarr1 is still "playing" here...

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=323797

dude you got some issues you need to take care of man. You seem like a wack job or something stalking and obssesing over dugcarr. You even followed me around after our arguement. Seriously dude all kidding aside just stfu and get some friends or something maybe even a hug idk but you act like a weirdo and you're bugging me out...

tahitiwahini · Post by **tahitiwahini** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:12 pm

Molacole wrote:
tahitiwahini wrote:When someone has been busted I would like to see him kicked out of any active games he is in just as if he had deadbeated. Of if that's not possible then the game should be canceled.

Dugcarr1 is still "playing" here...

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=323797

dude you got some issues you need to take care of man. You seem like a wack job or something stalking and obssesing over dugcarr. You even followed me around after our arguement. Seriously dude all kidding aside just stfu and get some friends or something maybe even a hug idk but you act like a weirdo and you're bugging me out...

... and this adds to the discussion in this thread how?

As this thread is talking about cheaters who were busted but who still get to finish their games, dugcarr1's name quite naturally came up. Actually I can't think of anyone more germane to the topic at hand.

Maybe you should think about who is stalking whom. If I stopped suddenly I have the feeling you'd bump into my rear. The sway Dug holds over his lackeys is truly inspiring. What are you going to do when he's really gone?

Do us all a favor molacole: Tools ---> Options ---> General, under Browsing check "Check my spelling as I type." I suspect that you'll continue to spout the same nonsense, but at least it will be spelled correctly.

By the way, nice score, maybe you should lay off the posting for a while and concentrate on your games. :lol:

joeyjordison · Post by **joeyjordison** » Tue May 01, 2007 2:02 am

it doesn't exactly make sense. i was in a game against 2 confirmed multis who were allowed to finish. in the end they gave up cos i'm so gd :lol: