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radiojake wrote:

DangerBoy wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:You guys seriously need to actually provide reasons. Saying it's a right doesn't make it so.

Could've fooled me. That's the same style of argument constantly made by people on this site in favor of homosexuals getting married. Saying it's their right doesn't make it so.

The reason homosexuals should be able to marry is because it should not matter to anyone else if they do - Why the f*ck would you care about how two people choose to define their relationship? Gender is irrelevant.

Back with the abortion debate, it is hilarious that the people who seem to think that if a woman particpates in intercourse and gets pregnant, then it is somehow a 'punishment' and she live the consequences, because the life of the innocent, unborn featus is sancrosanct. However, if that child is born into a family environment that is unable to adequately care for it, then you'll complain to high hell if they receive welfare payments that are YOUR tax dollars.

You guys are a fucking joke -

Saying that homosexuals getting married shouldn't matter to anyone else doesn't mean it doesn't matter just because you say it doesn't matter. You guys seriously need to come up with better reasons than that.

DangerBoy wrote:Saying that homosexuals getting married shouldn't matter to anyone else doesn't mean it doesn't matter just because you say it doesn't matter. You guys seriously need to come up with better reasons than that.

Here is the deal. In this country, we have freedom. Unless you can come up with a good reason to prohibit someone from doing something, it is allowed. Homosexuals getting married don't cause any harm to society. They might cause moral harm to the individuals, but that depends on their religious beliefs, etc. Being a Pagan could be described as "morally harmful" by those who are not Pagan.

So, its not up to us to show why this should happen, its up to you to show why it should not.. and not just because you believe it is so, but in unequivocable, empiracle ways that apply regardless of religious belief, creed, etc.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Here is the deal. In this country, we have freedom. Unless you can come up with a good reason to prohibit someone from doing something, it is allowed. Homosexuals getting married don't cause any harm to society. They might cause moral harm to the individuals, but that depends on their religious beliefs, etc. Being a Pagan could be described as "morally harmful" by those who are not Pagan.

So, its not up to us to show why this should happen, its up to you to show why it should not.. and not just because you believe it is so, but in unequivocable, empiracle ways that apply regardless of religious belief, creed, etc.

You saying that there should be a good reason to prohibit something doesn't make it true. You saying that homosexuals getting married doesn't cause any harm to society doesn't make it true. You saying that it's not up to your side to show why it should not be allowed doesn't make it right. You need to seriously provide some better answers than that.

DangerBoy wrote: You saying that there should be a good reason to prohibit something doesn't make it true. You saying that homosexuals getting married doesn't cause any harm to society doesn't make it true.

No, but evidence does (though if you want to continue this bit about homosexual marriage.. another thread. Or, better yet, just look at the ones already out there. I have pretty much given my position.. more than a few times).

DangerBoy wrote: You saying that it's not up to your side to show why it should not be allowed doesn't make it right. You need to seriously provide some better answers than that.

Uh, no. Freedom is a founding principle of this country. Any time you want to limit that, YOU need to come up with a reason. Freedom is the "default" position, not restriction.

... and I have provided plenty of reasons in this case. You have neither answered nor acknowledged most.

Quick question...why are you against gay marriage? Does it harm you? Does it personally affect you in any way? Just wondering. It would be nice to see why people get so riled up about issues such as these. Things that have no effect on them. But still they want to deny somebody else something that would make them happy. And for what? Why? Is it because of your morality? Who says your morality is right? And doesn't God love everybody? If so, why would you treat homosexuals differently? Supposedly, god loves them just as much as he loves you.

You don't have to answer all these questions. Hell, you don't have to answer any of them. It would be nice if they made you actually think about why you feel this way though.

And honestly, it's the same thing with abortion. Why do you care? It doesn't affect you. If you're against it, then don't do it. Why must people force their morality on other people?

Inb4 something along the lines of: "You saying that there should be a good reason to prohibit something doesn't make it true. You saying that homosexuals getting married doesn't cause any harm to society doesn't make it true. You saying that it's not up to your side to show why it should not be allowed doesn't make it right. You need to seriously provide some better answers than that."


You guize...

DangerBoy wrote:

radiojake wrote:

DangerBoy wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:You guys seriously need to actually provide reasons. Saying it's a right doesn't make it so.

Could've fooled me. That's the same style of argument constantly made by people on this site in favor of homosexuals getting married. Saying it's their right doesn't make it so.

The reason homosexuals should be able to marry is because it should not matter to anyone else if they do - Why the f*ck would you care about how two people choose to define their relationship? Gender is irrelevant.

Back with the abortion debate, it is hilarious that the people who seem to think that if a woman particpates in intercourse and gets pregnant, then it is somehow a 'punishment' and she live the consequences, because the life of the innocent, unborn featus is sancrosanct. However, if that child is born into a family environment that is unable to adequately care for it, then you'll complain to high hell if they receive welfare payments that are YOUR tax dollars.

You guys are a fucking joke -

Saying that homosexuals getting married shouldn't matter to anyone else doesn't mean it doesn't matter just because you say it doesn't matter. You guys seriously need to come up with better reasons than that.

OK - enlighten me, please. Why does it matter if homosexuals get married?

I am not gay, not even bi-curious, but I'm really disgusted by gay-bashing. How is it any betterthan racial prejudice, misogyny, anti-semitism, or just plain hate? Do you mean to tell me that if you preferred your own gender, you would abstain out of morality? Tell it to one million terrified sheep! If marriage is a good idea, which I question sometimes but basically believe, who appointed you arbiter of who should and who should not enter into it? Don't even say that God told you, because He told me it is between him and his children. If you are not in favor of gay marriage, then please feel free not to marry a gay. Otherwise, MYOB.

if you are against gay marriage, then you hate freedom and you love big government intruding on citizen's lives.

seriously.

esiemer wrote:if you are against gay marriage, then you hate freedom and you love big government intruding on citizen's lives.

seriously.

I concur with this.

Dangerboy, are you secretly gay?

DangerBoy wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Here is the deal. In this country, we have freedom. Unless you can come up with a good reason to prohibit someone from doing something, it is allowed. Homosexuals getting married don't cause any harm to society. They might cause moral harm to the individuals, but that depends on their religious beliefs, etc. Being a Pagan could be described as "morally harmful" by those who are not Pagan.

So, its not up to us to show why this should happen, its up to you to show why it should not.. and not just because you believe it is so, but in unequivocable, empiracle ways that apply regardless of religious belief, creed, etc.

You saying that there should be a good reason to prohibit something doesn't make it true. You saying that homosexuals getting married doesn't cause any harm to society doesn't make it true. You saying that it's not up to your side to show why it should not be allowed doesn't make it right. You need to seriously provide some better answers than that.

You've always seemed to me to be the sort of individual that doesn't like the government controlling your life. Until now, with this thread...in which you seem to be very much in favor of it. Why the change of heart regarding the government...did you just convert to socialism?

I have made my position clear before, but will repeat it. This has nothing to do with whether I tihnk homosexuality is OK within my religion or not. I don't think worship of Buddha is OK within my religion. Still, I do not complain because some Buddhists moved into town,their kids joined my son's scout troop, etc.

For all you who think homosexuality is so harmful, the truth is you have probably been around more than a couple of homosexuals without even knowing it. It is not "catching". Some homosexuals are jerks, some are perverts... so are many heterosexuals. Heterosexuality is actually more tied to pedophilia and such than homosexuality. (in both cases, attraction to adults is apart from attraction to kid, its an aberration).

Per the more extreme "gay pride" stuff... well, homosexuals hardly have a lock on [what I would call] distasteful public displays.

Oh joy another gay marriage thread. In before someone says gays can't marry because it will make it easier for them to abuse children.

Baron Von PWN wrote: In before someone says gays can't marry because it will make it easier for them to abuse children.

lrn2inb4

Also, why can't you guys realize that DangerBoy was trolling earlier in this thread? Didn't you notice anything peculiar about his posts?

PLAYER57832 wrote:

DangerBoy wrote: You saying that there should be a good reason to prohibit something doesn't make it true. You saying that homosexuals getting married doesn't cause any harm to society doesn't make it true.

No, but evidence does (though if you want to continue this bit about homosexual marriage.. another thread. Or, better yet, just look at the ones already out there. I have pretty much given my position.. more than a few times).

DangerBoy wrote: You saying that it's not up to your side to show why it should not be allowed doesn't make it right. You need to seriously provide some better answers than that.

Uh, no. Freedom is a founding principle of this country. Any time you want to limit that, YOU need to come up with a reason. Freedom is the "default" position, not restriction.

... and I have provided plenty of reasons in this case. You have neither answered nor acknowledged most.

Saying that your answers haven't been acknowledged doesn't make it so. You guys need to seriously come up with some better points than just saying that freedom is a founding principle.

Arguing like Snorri is fun!

radiojake wrote: OK - enlighten me, please. Why does it matter if homosexuals get married?

Using this logic, what does it matter if they do?

Dangerboy, you didn't answer my question.

DangerBoy wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

DangerBoy wrote: You saying that there should be a good reason to prohibit something doesn't make it true. You saying that homosexuals getting married doesn't cause any harm to society doesn't make it true.

No, but evidence does (though if you want to continue this bit about homosexual marriage.. another thread. Or, better yet, just look at the ones already out there. I have pretty much given my position.. more than a few times).

PLAYER57832 wrote:[

DangerBoy wrote: You saying that it's not up to your side to show why it should not be allowed doesn't make it right. You need to seriously provide some better answers than that.

Uh, no. Freedom is a founding principle of this country. Any time you want to limit that, YOU need to come up with a reason. Freedom is the "default" position, not restriction.

... and I have provided plenty of reasons in this case. You have neither answered nor acknowledged most.

Saying that your answers haven't been acknowledged doesn't make it so. You guys need to seriously come up with some better points than just saying that freedom is a founding principle.

Arguing like Snorri is fun!

No, if you don't accept the basic right of individuals to be free, then you are asking for theocracy or dictatorship. HISTORY shows us why that is wrong.

Key is that while you may like the things those in charge ask for today... without freedom, that can change at any point, and usually does. If you don't want to be told you cannot fully practice your religion, creed, etc, then you need to respect those of other people.

DangerBoy wrote:

radiojake wrote: OK - enlighten me, please. Why does it matter if homosexuals get married?

Using this logic, what does it matter if they do?

#1 basic humanity.
#2 healthcare coverage, other state benefits from marriage
#3 the right to decide what happens to your loved one in an emergency without having to pull out a bunch of legal documents, documents that some hospitals decline to even read or honor, especially in an emergency.
#4. The right to raise kids and not worry that they will be taken away because your co-partner dies or becomes incapacitated.
#5. The right of anyone to live as they wish, barring serious reasons why they should not.

natty_dread wrote:Dangerboy, you didn't answer my question.

Nor mine. I guess they were too inconvenient.

Seems he is just trolling.

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Snorri1234 wrote:

DangerBoy wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:You guys seriously need to actually provide reasons. Saying it's a right doesn't make it so.

Could've fooled me. That's the same style of argument constantly made by people on this site in favor of homosexuals getting married. Saying it's their right doesn't make it so.

Except that nobody says that because it is quite clear that homosexuals don't have the right. That is; they don't have that right yet.

People are arguing that they should have that right. You know, by providing reasons and arguments and such.

Blatant assertion of that a right exists without backing it up is dumb.

DangerBoy wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

DangerBoy wrote: You saying that there should be a good reason to prohibit something doesn't make it true. You saying that homosexuals getting married doesn't cause any harm to society doesn't make it true.

No, but evidence does (though if you want to continue this bit about homosexual marriage.. another thread. Or, better yet, just look at the ones already out there. I have pretty much given my position.. more than a few times).

DangerBoy wrote: You saying that it's not up to your side to show why it should not be allowed doesn't make it right. You need to seriously provide some better answers than that.

Uh, no. Freedom is a founding principle of this country. Any time you want to limit that, YOU need to come up with a reason. Freedom is the "default" position, not restriction.

... and I have provided plenty of reasons in this case. You have neither answered nor acknowledged most.

Saying that your answers haven't been acknowledged doesn't make it so. You guys need to seriously come up with some better points than just saying that freedom is a founding principle.

Arguing like Snorri is fun!

Just putting these two quotes together for perspective.

Also to laugh at the fundie, who lacks logical reasoning functions.