Conquer Club

...a job is not a right, silly.

Who fills people's heads with this shit? Oh wait,...I remember now.

HapSmo19 wrote:

...a job is not a right, silly.

Who fills people's heads with this shit? Oh wait,...I remember now.

I agree that a job is not an explicit right. But I think it is a general responsibility of society to create jobs.

My b.

HapSmo19 wrote:

...a job is not a right, silly.

Who fills people's heads with this shit? Oh wait,...I remember now.

The next thing you know, people will be saying the same thing about health care

ViperOverLord wrote:

HapSmo19 wrote:

...a job is not a right, silly.

Who fills people's heads with this shit? Oh wait,...I remember now.

I agree that a job is not an explicit right. But I think it is a general responsibility of society to create jobs.

Shit. I agree. Now I can't post in this thread.

ViperOverLord wrote:I agree that a job is not an explicit right. But I think it is a general responsibility of society to create jobs.

Agreed. But before society can do it's part, government needs to gtfo of the way.

Maybe if she would spend her time applying instead of protesting, she might get a job.

Agreed again.

And what is she, 14 and already defeated?

The top part of the sign is false, but you guys should look at the rest of the message, that part is a good lesson for everyone.

maasman wrote:The top part of the sign is false, but you guys should look at the rest of the message, that part is a good lesson for everyone.

Except it should read:

"get off the curb and find one"
"at least show up to keep one"

I mean f*ck, she can't even stand up and hold a sign. How's she gonna keep a job?

ViperOverLord wrote:

HapSmo19 wrote:

...a job is not a right, silly.

Who fills people's heads with this shit? Oh wait,...I remember now.

I agree that a job is not an explicit right. But I think it is a general responsibility of society to create jobs.

Well said. I don't like people thinking it's a "right" from the standpoint of "well then I don't really need to do a good job because I can't be fired", but I do think that people should be able to expect that jobs will be available to them.

Woodruff wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:

HapSmo19 wrote:

...a job is not a right, silly.

Who fills people's heads with this shit? Oh wait,...I remember now.

I agree that a job is not an explicit right. But I think it is a general responsibility of society to create jobs.

Well said. I don't like people thinking it's a "right" from the standpoint of "well then I don't really need to do a good job because I can't be fired", but I do think that people should be able to expect that jobs will be available to them.

Even this is becoming increasingly unrealistic as productivity/per hour of work increases. I've read estimates that in order for the economy to provide a job for everyone willing to work in an industrialized nation, a GDP growth of 5%/year would be necessary. That means the economy would have to double in size every 14 or 15 years just to keep unemployment low, in other words: growing 13000% over the span of a century.

Going from agricultural to high-tech, such rates may yet be realistic, but we're approaching a point where economic growth is reaching its limits. Economic growth is always tied to consumption, and the resources we can consume are limited. Even if "making waste" were to become a civic virtue, when it reaches the point where you spend money on something and immediately throw it away, consumption, too, has reached its ultimate ceiling. It probably wouldn't come to that in the first place but my point stands, consumption cannot increase endlessly, and as goes consumption, so goes growth.

What may be necessary in order to ensure continued social cohesion and to prevent (more) wide-spread poverty is a radical shift away from the prevailing fixation on measuring nations' economic prowess by total GDP and how much it increases. Factors that could be taken into account include the width of the income gap, distribution of wealth, or even general "happiness" (a model which, as I recall, the conservative French President Sarkozy has endorsed). I by no means have anything like a completely formulated alternative, but I do think it is time to widen our horizons beyond simply looking at how much is produced and how many services are provided.



tl;dr version: A job is not a right, for economical reasons it cannot be.

HapSmo19 wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:I agree that a job is not an explicit right. But I think it is a general responsibility of society to create jobs.

Agreed. But before society can do it's part, government needs to gtfo of the way.

Oh snap. You are soooo right! If the government would just gtfo of the way then we could go back to the days of child labor, unsafe working conditions and absolute minimum wage. Ah the nostalgia!

Wtf are people like this girl thinking??? Doesn't she realize that megacorporations have rights too?

Niggapleeze!

Our businessmen have rights too ya know. The right to build their factories in third world countries so they can pay 50 cents an hour instead of 6.50 (a man's gotta make a profit, amirite?), the right to open up our borders and let in hordes of illegal aliens to keep that ole minimum wage down, the right to get bailed out by the government so they can build some more factories in third world countries, . . .


Honibaz

Night Strike wrote:Maybe if she would spend her time applying instead of protesting, she might get a job.

Hey nightstrike, next time you go to one of your Bible studies you might want to check this one out - just fer shits'n giggles i mean . . .

Psalm 82:3-5


Honibaz

b.k. barunt wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Maybe if she would spend her time applying instead of protesting, she might get a job.

Hey nightstrike, next time you go to one of your Bible studies you might want to check this one out - just fer shits'n giggles i mean . . .

Psalm 82:3-5


Honibaz

There's a difference between looking out for the "poor and weak" and calling out the lazy.

And any fool can tell the difference easily, based on nothing but a single picture on the Internet.

Papshmear....you just LOVE stirrin de pot, dunchya? lol

When you coming up for another round of pool / beer, beyotch?

DangerBoy wrote:

HapSmo19 wrote:

...a job is not a right, silly.

Who fills people's heads with this shit? Oh wait,...I remember now.

The next thing you know, people will be saying the same thing about health care

A few on here already have.

Night Strike wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Maybe if she would spend her time applying instead of protesting, she might get a job.

Hey nightstrike, next time you go to one of your Bible studies you might want to check this one out - just fer shits'n giggles i mean . . .

Psalm 82:3-5


Honibaz

There's a difference between looking out for the "poor and weak" and calling out the lazy.

Nothing like a stereotypical predictable response to get my day going. The woman wants a job genius - why do you call her lazy? Interesting thing about scriptural references to the poor though - there is never any distinction made between the poor and the "deserving poor". God just says to show mercy to the poor - not judge them.


Honibaz

HapSmo19 wrote:Agreed again.

And what is she, 14 and already defeated?

I gotta tell ya Hap, reading that gave me the same feeling that i get when i step in a big pile of dogshit.

I worked in the New Orleans ghettos for years and that's what i saw - defeat. You have no fucking idea what people like that girl are up against. The schools they go to are substandard, their parents (more often than not it's parent) don't have the education or intelligence to teach them the social skills needed to present themselves in an appropriate manner when interviewing for jobs and they can't afford appropriate clothing for such. To top it all off they are black - would you hire a girl like that instead of some chirpy little white chick? Yeah right.

The kids i worked with responded eagerly to our efforts when we would try to help them learn what they needed to get jobs, but there weren't enough of us to help more than a paltry few - too many comfortable white fuckwits who'd much rather sit back and pass judgement on them. Are you actually ignorant enough to think that she'd be out there carrying around that sign if she hadn't already been out there trying to get a job??

You piss and moan when they collect welfare instead of working and you piss and moan when they want to work. I don't pray much anymore but i'm gonna say a special prayer that you get what's coming to you on this one. That comment of yours really shits the bed and it needs to be answered in like fashion.


Honibaz

KoolBak wrote:Papshmear....you just LOVE stirrin de pot, dunchya? lol
When you coming up for another round of pool / beer, beyotch?

asap. Unless BK's prayers are answered.

b.k. barunt wrote:

HapSmo19 wrote:Agreed again.

And what is she, 14 and already defeated?

I gotta tell ya Hap, reading that gave me the same feeling that i get when i step in a big pile of dogshit.

I worked in the New Orleans ghettos for years and that's what i saw - defeat. You have no fucking idea what people like that girl are up against. The schools they go to are substandard, their parents (more often than not it's parent) don't have the education or intelligence to teach them the social skills needed to present themselves in an appropriate manner when interviewing for jobs and they can't afford appropriate clothing for such. To top it all off they are black - would you hire a girl like that instead of some chirpy little white chick? Yeah right.

The kids i worked with responded eagerly to our efforts when we would try to help them learn what they needed to get jobs, but there weren't enough of us to help more than a paltry few - too many comfortable white fuckwits who'd much rather sit back and pass judgement on them. Are you actually ignorant enough to think that she'd be out there carrying around that sign if she hadn't already been out there trying to get a job??

You piss and moan when they collect welfare instead of working and you piss and moan when they want to work. I don't pray much anymore but i'm gonna say a special prayer that you get what's coming to you on this one. That comment of yours really shits the bed and it needs to be answered in like fashion.

Well, this thread was about pointing out that a job is not a right but in my usual fashion, I digress. Why don't you say a special prayer for the whatevercolortheyare fuckwits that put that sign in her hand? Imeanfuck, she probably thinks it's the truth and she's being denied her right to a job but that's not the problem or what gives you a feeling like you just stepped in a big pile of dogshit, noooooo. It's the guy on the interweb (that's never lied to her) making stupid jokes that is the oppressor!

When it comes to hiring her I can honestly say that(if I owned a company and was in the position to hire), after I hired the chirpy little white chicks in my family that needed and wanted a job, I wouldn't have a problem with hiring any "minority" if they seemed like a decent person with a good attitude. Whether you or anyone else believes that or not doesn't really concern me. If you showed up like I owed you a job you can take your fucking sign down the road.

Answer honestly: If you were in a position to hire, would you hire the person with the attitude that you owed them a paycheck or the person that was eager to prove they could do the job?

I don't know for sure though. Maybe it's her first day of being "enlightened" to the fact that somebody she's never met owes her something after a long, fruitless job search in a shitty economy(recently, my chirpy little white niece had to know somebody to get a fast food job - FYI).

I commend you on your work with the poor, opressed and deceived. Seriously.

Long story short: If you're looking for the great white devil, buddy, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Ok, point taken. If you say you'd be fair in hiring i'll take your word for it. The "defeated at 14" comment really hit me at a gut level though because i've seen that defeat in the eyes of young kids and it's the type of thing that stays with you.

The attitude that someone owes them something is an attitude that's been cultivated and nurtured by our government as part of the strategy to keep the working class divided in this country so that the po folk don't upset the apple cart. That "you owe me" attitude is something we worked at dispelling. None of the kids we worked with went looking for a job with that attitude.

Very sore subject for me right now - defeat. I'm intimately acquainted with it at 59 and to see the same defeat in some kid sitting dejectedly on a curb just ain't right - not something to joke about.

hapsmo has crawled so far up his own ass to completely miss the point that i now find myself in total agreement with bk fucking barunt. well, close enough to total that it makes me uncomfortable.

in america today we are faced with the despicable situation that millions of people who want to work, who want to get off the government dole and contribute to society, can't, because of dozens of factors completely out of their control. they have lost everything they own, their livelihood, and their basic human dignity. and now they get to listen to the sheltered minority, who have not been touched in any way by the economic collapse, tsk at them for being lazy. once again the poor are being scapegoated for the sins of the ultra-rich. it is literally insane.

I don't think Hap missed the point and i damn sure don't need backup from you dearie. If you think Hap is one of the ultra rich i'd say you missed something - possibly cognitive thought. ROTFLMFAO!


Honibaz

Yeah, hapsmo hit it on the nail's head again. What is wrong with Amerika is those lazy sob's that are just to lazy to work for minimum wage. All 17 million of them.